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Howell Raines Lets Fly His Hatred for Fox News
TimesWatch.org ^ | 6/22/06 | Clay Waters

Posted on 06/22/2006 10:14:40 AM PDT by NJRighty

The always modest, always charming Howell Raines, executive editor of the New York Times, has a new autobiography out, “The One that Got Away,” a sequel to his 1993 memoir “Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis.”

Dipping into his latest book on his love of fly fishing, we find Raines still rising to the conservative-bashing bait.

On page 189, he lets fly with thoughts about liberal bugbear Fox News: “Fox, by its mere existence, undercuts the argument that the public is starved for ‘fair’ news, and not just because Fox shills for the Republican Party and panders to the latest of America’s periodic religious manias. The key to understanding Fox News is to grasp the anomalous fact that its consumers know its ‘news’ is made up. It matters not when critics point this out to Foxite consumers because they’ve understood it from the outset. That’s why they’re there. Its chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.”

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KEYWORDS: biasmeanslayoffs; doublestandard; fabrication; foxbashing; foxnews; howellraines; hypocrite; jasonblair; lyingliars; makingitup; newyorkglbttimes; nytimebias; nytimes; oldgreylady; projecting; projection; slowlearner; tisapityshesawhore; trysellingthetruth
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I guess we should defer to Howell on this since he is an expert on making up news.
1 posted on 06/22/2006 10:14:42 AM PDT by NJRighty
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To: NJRighty
Tee Hee.
2 posted on 06/22/2006 10:15:05 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: NJRighty

Getting his panties pulled up his back side, huh?


3 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:05 AM PDT by b4its2late (Eye souport publik edekashun two.)
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To: NJRighty
Howell says, "Its' chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.”


4 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:40 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: NJRighty
not just because Fox shills for the Republican Party

Name me one fake story designed to smear non-Republicans that Fox has run with.

Now, CBS and the NYT...

5 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:45 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: NJRighty

"his love of fly fishing..."





Has PETA been made aware of this?


6 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: NJRighty
Delighted to see Howell Raines suffer. Keep up the good work Fox.
7 posted on 06/22/2006 10:18:34 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: NJRighty
Once again the left sits in their denial. If the news is not 100% Bush, Republican, Conservative bashing it's not news, it's shilling to the Right. The fact that any conservatives get to air their opinions is just wrong according to these people. That both sides of the issue get discussed is wrong. That Bob, Beckel, Alan Comes, Juan Williams, Ellis Heniken, EJ Dionne and any other liberal has to debate the merits of their point is wrong.

Screw you, Raines.
8 posted on 06/22/2006 10:18:43 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: atomicpossum

The fact that he attacks FoxNews, claiming that they shill for the GOP, just proves the point we've been making for decades: He and the rest of the liberal media are carrying water for the Democrats.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 10:20:01 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: NJRighty
I suppose it's hard to write with your panties bunched up like that.

"All the news that's fit to Spin".

10 posted on 06/22/2006 10:20:37 AM PDT by Pompah
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To: NJRighty
Howell Raines shows what a pos Southerners become when they are liberals. Raines is truly the Jimmy Carter of journalism.
11 posted on 06/22/2006 10:20:37 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Brilliant
"his love of fly fishing..."

I think it's the "other" kind of fly....with a zipper on it.

12 posted on 06/22/2006 10:20:51 AM PDT by capt. norm (W.C. Fields: "The time has come to take the bull by the tail and face the situation".)
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To: NJRighty
Pure hatred and pea green jealousy oozes out of Raines, because the success of FOXNews signaled the beginning of the end of The New York Times. But Raines is just plain stupid for writing the following:

"chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.”

Ailes' bio includes:
President of CNBC; 1991-1996
President of NBC's America's Talking, 1993-1996

Or maybe Raines thinks NBC deals in fiction too.

13 posted on 06/22/2006 10:22:06 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: NJRighty

Who the heck would spend their precious money and time reading not one, but two autobiographies from such an insignificant pipsqueak?


14 posted on 06/22/2006 10:22:09 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: NJRighty

Howell Raines, fired from the NYT for letting a reporter make up news, vents against Fox for 'making up news'. Clearly he has no sense of irony or humor.... or honor!


15 posted on 06/22/2006 10:24:18 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Brilliant
"his love of fly fishing..."

I had heard that the NYT had a lot of homosexuals on its staff but, "fly fishing," that is a new one.

16 posted on 06/22/2006 10:27:47 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: NJRighty
All Fox does is give a chance for some articulate conservative spokespeople to comment and be heard. It just gives the conservative point of view along with the liberal point of view.

This fact alone seems to drive liberals batty.

Even as a kid watching news tv in the 1970s, it was clear to me that the dominant media would seldom, if ever, give mainstream conservatives a chance to talk. Often a panel would have a liberal host, 3 liberal guests (usually with law degrees and often smirking), and 1 conservative (a middle aged man, crew cut, glasses, and easily befuddled). The conservative invariably looked very bad, and they did this for decades.

Now a news outlet like Fox gives conservatives a real point of view on tv. That's all. If this is too much for liberals, it speaks volumes for them.

I have to admit, Fox has decent conservative and liberal points of view, but they do cart out some liberal mental midgets now and then.

Kirsten Powers, a 'democratic strategist,' shows up on several of their programs and offers a pretty face combined with an empty stare. She is, like, you know, inarticulate, and, like, so are you saying, like, a very poor spokeswoman for her cause. Personally, I can't help but think the fact that she keeps showing up on Fox is that 1. she is easy on the eyes, and 2. she makes democrats/liberals look very bad.
17 posted on 06/22/2006 10:29:03 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: Rummyfan

To paraphrase Don Corleone: "Raines is a pimp."


18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:29:51 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: NJRighty

What's the frequency, Howie?


19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:31:58 AM PDT by GBA
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20 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:10 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: NJRighty
Its chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.

Roger Ailes was 15 years old 50 years ago, Howie.

Ailes hasn't been involved in journalism for even thirty years, let alone 50.

And no one has ever credibly accused Ailes of concocting a single story. Not one.

Nor has anyone ever documented that anyone Ailes has ever hired has invented interviews out of whole cloth.

Enjoy your refirement, Howie. Keep lying, we don't care.

21 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:37 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: HitmanLV
I have to admit, Fox has decent conservative and liberal points of view, but they do cart out some liberal mental midgets now and then.

It is difficult to defend liberalism in an honest debate. It is sold through lies and smears. Conservatives are labeled "mean" but they aren't into redistributing "the wealth" up or down and they don't make up phony justifications to explain why Marxism is a good thing.

22 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:48 AM PDT by weegee (happy holidays and seasons greetings...)
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To: NJRighty

23 posted on 06/22/2006 10:35:02 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: NJRighty

Projection.


24 posted on 06/22/2006 10:36:08 AM PDT by OKSooner (It wasn't the black guy after all - the dutch boy did it.)
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To: NJRighty
Jerk wad. I seems to remember the NY Slimes had a couple of reporters that wrote articles that were later disproved. I guess he was fishing when that happened.
25 posted on 06/22/2006 10:36:37 AM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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To: martin_fierro

The man that gave us Jayson Blair. Where does he get off, criticizing Fox?


26 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:38 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: NJRighty
"The key to understanding Fox News is to grasp the anomalous fact that its consumers know its ‘news’ is made up."

He is right remember Fox attaching explosive devices to the gas tanks of vehicles to spice up the story? Oh, wait that was NBC.

Oh, oh, yeah, remember FOX with the fake FAX proving GWB got special treatment in the NG? Oh, wait again that was CBS.

OH, Oh, Oh, I know, remember FOX telling us how WhoreAldo pushed aside paramedics so he could get in the shot...... Never mind that was.....NY SLIMES.

27 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:53 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: NJRighty

Ah....another liberal credo. Accuse others of your crimes.


28 posted on 06/22/2006 10:38:53 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Ninguna tarjeta verde. Ningún Inglés. Ningún servicio.)
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To: NJRighty

To add to your glee, click the following link to see a chart of how well the NYT's stock is fairing!

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NYT&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Perhaps a more html-literate Freeper could post the chart for all to see. It's a doozy!


29 posted on 06/22/2006 10:38:58 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Brilliant
"his love of fly fishing..."

Does this have something to do with gay pride?

30 posted on 06/22/2006 10:40:07 AM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Brilliant

""his love of fly fishing..." "

I am keeping my fly closed so this maroon doesn't get near it.


31 posted on 06/22/2006 10:40:11 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: NJRighty

Can he or anyone site an example of their making up news?


32 posted on 06/22/2006 10:40:18 AM PDT by woofie
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Even better is this comparison chart with the S&P 500 over the same 2-year period.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=NYT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=spy

Old Howell Raines really put the times on the course to recovery!


33 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:20 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

The only thing that has cheered me up more recently
are Dixie Chick ticket sale figures........ Thanks!


34 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:20 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: NJRighty

LOL. Fox regularly gives Katrina Van Der Heuvel, editor of The Nation, a forum for her communistic twaddle. Fred Barnes and Morton Kondrake were mainstays at the very liberal The New Republic magazine for years, and now are together on a Fox show.

I'd need to see the Grand Wizard of the KKK on MSNBC once a month and a weekly show with Michael Savage (oops bad example) before I could take their claims of balance seriously.


35 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:12 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: NJRighty
In an act of literary incest, the Times reviewed this book last week and made Raines sound like the greatest American writer since Mark Twain. They also implied that he was fired because of a vast right wing conspiracy.
36 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:37 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: NJRighty
Whatta moonbat. If he had any sense of shame the former employer of Jason Blair would keep his pie-hole shut about "making up" news.
37 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:37 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Brilliant

More like "monkey fishing" ...


38 posted on 06/22/2006 10:44:24 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: NJRighty
...just give him another pacifier....
and tell Howell Raines, to stick it ##*###*###.
39 posted on 06/22/2006 10:44:37 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you....... :^)
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To: NJRighty

How the mighty have fallen.......Ignominiously booted from the NYT......reduced to writing books about fishing....now reduced to fishing for flies......unaware that flies do not swim.......a shame.....but sooooo deserved.


40 posted on 06/22/2006 10:45:08 AM PDT by Postman
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To: NJRighty

Jeez, start a news channel that actually gives both sides of the news and the libs have a hissy fit. Better put some ice on that, Howell.


42 posted on 06/22/2006 10:46:27 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: NJRighty

I believe this is termed "Projecting".


43 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:22 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: NJRighty

"Fox shills for the Republican Party and panders to the latest of America’s periodic religious manias. The key to understanding Fox News is to grasp the anomalous fact that its consumers know its ‘news’ is made up."



OH SO TYPICAL.... accusing the opposition of what they themselves are doing! Typical Liberal tactic.


44 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:29 AM PDT by nralife
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To: Pompah
"All the news that's fit to Spin".

No, it's "All the news that fits our views"

45 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:39 AM PDT by Bob
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To: d-back

ping


46 posted on 06/22/2006 10:49:19 AM PDT by NJ Freeper
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To: NJRighty
Its chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.

No mention of Dan Rather.

47 posted on 06/22/2006 10:49:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: martin_fierro

We wanted to read New York mag’s article today on Howell Raines, his new book, and his post-Times life. Really we did. But then we got to the full-page portrait that opens the feature and, man, we just couldn’t get any further. Are we appalled? Are we intrigued? Is it the jowls? Is it the nose? Is it the dark, penetrating eyes? We have no idea. But we haven’t been able to look away.

Clearly, he hates all of us.

http://www.gawker.com/news/howell-raines/howell-raines-stares-into-the-depths-of-our-soul-and-yours-too-170723.php

48 posted on 06/22/2006 10:50:01 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: b4its2late
LOL, the NYT bathhouse boys are having a sissy fit, love, love, love it!
49 posted on 06/22/2006 10:50:14 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: NJRighty
“Fox, by its mere existence, undercuts the argument that the public is starved for ‘fair’ news, and not just because Fox shills for the Republican Party and panders to the latest of America’s periodic religious manias. The key to understanding Fox News is to grasp the anomalous fact that its consumers know its ‘news’ is made up. It matters not when critics point this out to Foxite consumers because they’ve understood it from the outset. That’s why they’re there. Its chief fictioneer, Roger Ailes, had been making up news in plain sight for a half century.”

I love it when liberals go psychotic. They end up projecting their inner most secrets without a clue they're doing it.
50 posted on 06/22/2006 10:50:59 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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