Posted on 06/25/2006 9:55:57 AM PDT by EveningStar
Once again, you have yet to answer my question regarding the idea that once states are in the Union, they must remain in it permanently. I know for a fact one of the conditions Texas stipulated for it's joining the Union was that if have the right of secession in it's constitution, and not only that, but I believe it also has the right to, at will, dissolve into five states.
Farragut still won't be getting a statue in downtown, and when the state's tallest building is opened, they are going to have a display of flags flying on the Water Street side. From what I understand, the exact same six flags that fly at Government Plaza will be flying there, and this will include the Republic of Alabama flag, and the Third National Flag.
So that will be two flags commemorating our role in the WONA, the Bourbon flag, the Spanish flag, the Union Jack and the current U.S. flag. Never mind the fact that every street sign downtown has the city seal emblazened on it, the seal including the two flags related to the war. Also of note, one of our cities largest M.G. parades is held specifically in honor of a man who defied federal authority during Reconstruction
http://www.mardigrasdigest.com/Bureau/Mobile/joe_cain_procession.htm
Or,as someone else once said-"In the North it doesn't matter how high a black person rises as long as he doesn't get too close.In the South,it doesn't matter how close a black person gets as long as he doesn't rise too high"
That is a common falsehood adopted by the Defenders of the Slaverocracy but it has no bearing in fact. The Founders created a perpetual Union only changeable through a Constitutional amendment. States were not allowed to unilaterally change the Union. Madison wrote Hamilton that "once in the Union always in the Union." ALL the Founders believed dissolution to be the greatest evil which could be visited upon the United States.
After the War the USSC ruled secession to be illegal w/o an amendment even Texas which was a special case due to it having truly been sovereign.
It is also a fact that the states were CREATED by the Nation when the independent colonies were instructed by the Continental Congress to write constitutions forming themselves into states. Of course, ALL Southern states other than Va., NC, SC, Ga., were ENTIRELY created by the Congress and have NO pretensions to EVER being sovereign.
I did read, however that the success of the movie allowed the producer to screw up the careers of a great many competent
actors and actresses that were not even in the movie.
I'm not talking about the KKK. Incidentally, the KKK from the 1920's was founded as a primarily anti-Catholic organization, and Hugo Black worshiped at their altar. What I am talking about is the political dynamic in Alabama after Civil War. Now, Conservatives were restored to political control in 1874, and my ancestors played a large part in that. Following the resurrection of political control by Conservatives, the Redeemer Bourbons saw fit to dismantle the Reconstruction welfare state primarily engineered to gain the votes of poor whites in what had been loyal Union territory.
Make this clear, Reconstructionists didn't give a damn about blacks, they just wanted their votes in a machine like fashion so they could use the South as a testing ground for social experimentation. Following Redemption, taxes were cut, welfare was cut, and in general, the poor whites were back to where they were before the war. By this point though, many had become addicted to government aid, they resented the fact that Redeemers wanted them to stand on their own two feet. At the same time, manufacturing industries began to take off in Alabama, and these poor whites came in from failing farms in the countryside, all with the intent to gain employment. Class politics became the name of the game for the poor whites, and as such, movements like the Populists and Greenbackers gained steam. Racist attacks on blacks began to occur because blacks would take lower wages and demand less than would white workers, as a result, the leaders of Southern society often had to protect blacks from the hordes that would later disenfranchise them.
Populists finally took control in primaries in the 1890s across the South, and that's when you saw wholesale black disenfranchisement. A perfect example is Tillman in South Carolina, who made it a point to attack the Bourbons for their defense of black laborers. The populists would do the same here in Alabama. Sadly, it worked.
I take it you are unfamiliar with the Republic of West Florida, and the origin of the Bonnie Blue flag.
Typical attempt at sophistry since I never claimed the NORTH fought about slavery. Lincoln fought to PRESERVE the Union from the Slaver assault.
However, the leaders of the South ALL repeatedly stated that THEY were fighting ONLY to preserve or extend slavery. That was the reason they lied about Norther "oppression" and had been scheming for a decade to destroy the Union.
It is Revision to claim "economic" oppression or "tyranny" was the reason the Slavers attacked the United States.
BTW attempts to put words in my mouth just makes your lack of a real argument more apparent.
The "public education" I received from my Southern schools was more in line with the delusions and lies about the "Noble Cause" which you believe to be true. But it is not difficult to discover the truth about the RAT Rebellion or its leaders' lies.
My favorite is Little Big Man by Thomas Berger. Great literature, funny, witty, a great American novel and a 100 times better that the 1970 film.
Perhaps that pearl has some meaning in another language since it is total nonsense in English.
Come on,shutupandtakeit,its still way more coherent than anything by stand waite!
Yeah,I'm in a bitchy mood tonight!
Yes indeed. "Memories are made of these" as Dino used to tell me, when we were hangin' at Jillys back in da day...
You seem to want to be a slave to the state. That's all. Be by guest. When you bow down to the hand that feeds you remember, the South refused to do so and you condemn them for it. Shame on you.
Southerners were under much more government edict than Northerners. They were rounded up and forced into the Confederate army, they were drafted into the army earlier. Loyalists were murdered their homes burned, livestock stolen, courts would not indict the killers and terrorists attacking them.
Conservatives ALWAYS defended the Constitution. Those trying to destroy the Union can be called lots of things but "conservatives" is not one of them. Apparently you confuse "conservative" with "reactionary".
Oh, never fear the DS's will be happy to tell you about how Blacks never had it so good, and were just like members of the family and even fought for the CSA. And that Lincoln was the greatest tyrant in the history of the world.
Of course, they will NOT tell you of the mass murders of Blacks which occurred after the US armies left the South wherein the body count was in the thousands.
I can't even come close to you in the celebrity game.I DID shake hands with Reagan at one of his campaign stops in 1966.I also shook hands and had a brief conversation with Dean Rusk at Univ.of Georgia in 1972.
Oh,and I shared a couple of beers with the Chambers Brothers at an after party at a motel at South Lake Tahoe in 1968!
I'll deal with you tomorrow when I can take you apart piece by piece. It'll be fun, stand by. Don't go anywhere now. I have to turn in. You don't have to wait up.
I read GWTW as a summer hobby when I was maybe 11 years old. To this day, my love for reading can be traced to the 3 or 4 times I re-read it that summer.
As I've detailed on some old threads, I've had several run ins (mostly positive) with celebrities over the years. Even "acted" (non-speaking role) with Sara Jessica Parker and Mikhail Baryshinikov (sp) in an episode of "Sex in the City."
Oh, I shook GHW Bush's hand at a rally in Miami in 2000.
True,and what irks me to no end are the folks who tell you very calmly from their air conditioned condos that slavery would have died off ANYWAY in forty or fifty years so the Civil War need not have even been fought.
Yet the fact that two generations of innocent black people would have had absolutely no civil or human rights during those years of waiting it out is of no concern to them.
And some of the Southrons also will tell you how the slaveownners had the "welfare"of the blacks at heart and"protected"them from violent racist elements.
Sounds very much to me that they would also just love the liberal Democrats who basically say the same thing.We have to protect the blacks from the "mean right wingers"who are crazy enough to think that blacks are quite capable of taking care of THEMSELVES,thank you!
For a thirty year old,Clemenza,you are doing pretty doggone good,my friend!
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