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Teen sues district after "Ave Maria" silenced
Seattle Times ^
| Saturday, July 1, 2006
| David Bowermaster
Posted on 07/01/2006 5:27:12 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: MineralMan
Thank you for the correction. If they were truly playing a modern version of the "Hail Mary" Catholic prayer, then indeed the authorities were right to ban it. (sarcasm off)
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posted on
07/01/2006 9:39:02 AM PDT
by
Publius
To: MayflowerMadam
You miss the point. The Ave Maria was not sung. There were no words, just the melody. Reminding me that recently I heard the Ave Maria sung in a southern Baptist Church, not in a service but in a concert. It is in Latin. so no one was exposed to Catholic theology. Besides,half the verses "Ave Maria, gratia Plena"... is from the Bible.
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posted on
07/01/2006 9:39:17 AM PDT
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
To: DogBarkTree
This appears to be a possible "setup". Vicki and Patrick Nurre are activists in their area.
This isn't your typical family.
To: sitetest
....heh...
The piece was NOT originally "religious;" it was written as "Lady of the Lake" with slightly different lyrics.
So the guy's wrong on the facts AND the interpretation.
But he's likely a product of the publick screwels, too...
104
posted on
07/01/2006 9:50:24 AM PDT
by
ninenot
(Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: Tench_Coxe
Thank you. Aren't computers wonderful! I think Gounods was still banned when I was growing up. Schubert's was okay but you didn't hear it much.
Can you imagine banning that music and forcing us to listen to Sister Mary Tomockwa's hippie guitar music?
To: OMalley
106
posted on
07/01/2006 9:58:14 AM PDT
by
OMalley
(Without love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing. St. Therese, "the little flower")
To: jude24; xzins; blue-duncan
Jude, these students were told that they could play their "favorite piece of music". There were no restrictions given. They chose to play a piece of instrumental music called "Ave Maria". The lyics were not sung. The state, after giving these students a free forum for their exrpression, then chose to censor that expression solely on the grounds that the piece of INSTRUMENTAL music had a religious origin. Well Mr. Jude, music itself has a religious origin. After granting a free forum to students the government cannot censor their speech without a compelling reason to do so. There is no compelling reason here, so in that sense the free speech rights of these students was violated.
This is a prior restraint and a discrimination against any type of religious speech. In that sense, since they were told to pick their favorite piece of music, the school board would have to have a compelling reason to deny them the choice of "Ave Maria". Now why don't you explain to the lurkers how they could constitutionally accomplish that?
The fact is that the reason for the censorship was not compelling, it was contrived.
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posted on
07/01/2006 10:01:04 AM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
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To: ladyjane
"Can you imagine banning that music and forcing us to listen to Sister Mary Tomockwa's hippie guitar music?"
In the case of this particular school, I don't Sister Mary would be allowed to play her guitar either.
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posted on
07/01/2006 10:34:32 AM PDT
by
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To: DogBarkTree
To: widowithfoursons
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111
posted on
07/01/2006 10:40:47 AM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: DogBarkTree
It will end when lawyers are "resting" on the bottom of the sea. Along with all members of the ACLU. Can't happen soon enough for me..
To: MineralMan
To: P-Marlowe
The censorship arose out of the fear that grips most school administrators that SOMEONE might complain. I would bet that the principal called the lawyer and asked his advise on this and acted according to this advise. The advise was, probably, that if the principal disallowed this song that the school would not get sued. Wrong. The lawyer, of course, makes out like a bandit. Sued from the right, sued from the left he gets his cut.
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posted on
07/01/2006 10:50:14 AM PDT
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
To: MinuteGal
Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to un-believe.That is beautiful. Yours? I will use it many times when speaking to the many marxists I find myself many times surrounded by.
FMCDH(BITS)
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posted on
07/01/2006 10:53:53 AM PDT
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: DogBarkTree
They need to chuck most or all of Bach's music too. Bach would write "Soli Dei Gloria" at the bottom of his works. This phrase is latin for "to God alone be the glory".
TM
To: DogBarkTree
117
posted on
07/01/2006 11:45:10 AM PDT
by
GretchenM
(What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
To: GretchenM
Your most welcome. As I said, Im not a church goer but this story really pushed a hot button for me. Im glad to see it pushed the same button for most other folks as well.
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posted on
07/01/2006 12:10:50 PM PDT
by
DogBarkTree
(Thanks for putting our boys in harms way, Rep. Murtha, you treasonous jack@ss!)
To: ladyjane
Well I know to engage this further is folly. But I have heard this version. I would know it, not that it matters. But I live my faith and I am familiar with all versions of a song that is very sacred to me. I know the prayer in several languages.
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posted on
07/01/2006 12:14:16 PM PDT
by
defconw
(Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?- Official Snowflake)
To: defconw
Wow. I'm impressed. I've heard quite a few versions but not this one. You're not a German firefighter by any chance? just kidding
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