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Teen sues district after "Ave Maria" silenced
Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, July 1, 2006 | David Bowermaster

Posted on 07/01/2006 5:27:12 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

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To: AmericaUnited
Atheism is a hard core religion. And it's believers are just as bad as those of Islam in trying to impose it on everyone.

Once you understand that, everything makes more sense.

121 posted on 07/01/2006 12:17:45 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
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To: DogBarkTree
But if she wanted to have an abortion in the Cafeteria it would be allowed under free speech. Fundamentalist Liberals are worse than the Taliban.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters
122 posted on 07/01/2006 12:21:33 PM PDT by bray (Hey Zaqueeri, say hello to Hitler, Stalin and Mohamhead)
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To: DogBarkTree
But their choice was vetoed by Dr. Carol Whitehead

Dr., huh? Another one of those overeducated pinheads with a sham doctorate in some psuedo-intellectual "discipline".

Whitehead's insane decision should have come as no surprise to anyone.

Maybe they should have played "Imagine"?

123 posted on 07/01/2006 12:23:28 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: ladyjane

LOL, no but the University of Notre Dame is in my Diocese they perform that version. Also there are a ton of people around here that are German by ethnicity, so I guess that's why I know it. It's just such a universal song for us, that it's just so recognizable.


124 posted on 07/01/2006 12:24:25 PM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?- Official Snowflake)
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To: DogBarkTree

Unfortunately this brave young woman doesn't have a prayer, no pun intended, of winning this lawsuit. Only athiests seeking to ban God from all daily activities ever win these things.


125 posted on 07/01/2006 12:24:36 PM PDT by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: DogBarkTree
"For last month's ceremonies, the 17 students chose an instrumental version of "Ave Maria..."

They were denied playing an INSTRUMENTAL version because the song was too religious. Like anyone knows the words to the song that are "offensive" when the instrumental version is played. Geesh.
126 posted on 07/01/2006 12:25:33 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: nothingnew
It's mine, all mine (well, a little Shakespeare and Hamlet, also). Use it all you want.

Divine inspiration, LOL.

Leni

127 posted on 07/01/2006 12:27:10 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: american colleen; Aquinasfan; B Knotts; BlackElk; Blue Eyes; Campion; Chi-townChief; Cicero; ...
Ring

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128 posted on 07/01/2006 12:28:09 PM PDT by Barnacle (Harriet ’08... Because she’s fabulous!)
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To: DogBarkTree

I hope she wins her suit. And, if she sticks to her guns, she may very well.


129 posted on 07/01/2006 12:29:20 PM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: DogBarkTree
Ave Maria is in the public domain isn't it?

Why not just change the name? Call it 'Graduation Tribute' and play it anyway.
130 posted on 07/01/2006 12:42:03 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: DogBarkTree
This is yet another reason why Ann Coulter's latest book is aptly titled.
131 posted on 07/01/2006 12:44:35 PM PDT by CDB ("Mogadishu Jack" Murtha: "Retreat? Hell Yes"--running in a different direction)
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To: DogBarkTree

I live in her state and am glad to see a young person standing up, armed with the Constitution's First Amendment, to the bullies who strip our free speech.

It's been a liberal cesspool out here for so long, regular folks can hardly think straight for all the PC brainwashing, lack of history being taught, etc.


132 posted on 07/01/2006 1:59:15 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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From the article:

Vicki Nurre contacted the Rutherford Institute, a conservative legal foundation based in Charlottesville, Va., that presses hundreds of cases each year that involve questions of religious freedom and free speech.

The Rutherford Institute is a low-profile, highly effective legal organization seeking to restore our lost Constitutional rights. I support them and urge others to look into this group. On one side bar on their web page, they list links to:

ISSUES
Free Speech
Religious Freedom
Church Rights
Parents Rights
Zero Tolerance
Search & Seizure
Sexual Harassment
Death Penalty
International

This is from their web page:
6/27/2006
Public School Officials Block High School Wind Ensemble from Playing Instrumental ‘Ave Maria’ at Graduation Due to Church/State Fears
Attorneys for The Rutherford Institute have filed a First Amendment lawsuit in defense of the rights of a member of a high school wind ensemble to perform an instrumental arrangement of “Ave Maria” at the school’s graduation ceremony.

133 posted on 07/01/2006 2:08:14 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: DogBarkTree
Me: "You guys believe in freedom, right?"

"I'm a liberal. We all believe in free speech and the right of freedom of expression, and in speaking out against government abuses of power."

Me: "Do you mind if I read this Bible?"

"CALL THE FBI! WE'VE GOT A DANGEROUS RADICAL EXTREMIST LOOSE IN HERE!!!"

134 posted on 07/01/2006 2:08:19 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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135 posted on 07/01/2006 2:40:41 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: sionnsar

http://www.everett.k12.wa.us/everett/Ask%20us%20-%20Tell%20us

Besides the totally-demented story itself, take a look at just how many employees are in the school district in non-instructive and administrative positions.

Public Ed needs to die, and the sooner the better.


136 posted on 07/01/2006 2:56:04 PM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe
state sponsored forum

The "forum" idea current with the ACLU as a counter to free speech breaks down based on the reason a person is in the state institution.

If they are there under compulsion, then their access to the forum is different than if they are there as an employee of the institution. Those under compulsion are there as "the public." Employees are there as "representatives of the state."

Therefore, when one offers a forum to a member of "the public," then one can only offer a public forum. They are not, then, nor have they in the past been a member of the "state."

One cannot control speech in a public forum.

For example, if the school invites Bill O'Reilly of Fox News to be the speaker, they cannot censure his speech and remove from it any trace of controversial things. He is a member of the public. He is in a state-sponsored forum, but he is not a member of the state institution in question. They can only offer him a public forum. Their offer for him to speak is their recognition that they will simply have to live with what he says.

Students, also, are not members of the institution. They are there by compulsion, but they have not lost their free speech rights.

137 posted on 07/01/2006 3:24:00 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

My dad picked out his music for his funeral,man he knew his church music. As the oldest it was real tuff to hold back the tears,espically when the soloist sang On Eagles Wings.


138 posted on 07/01/2006 3:29:44 PM PDT by GregB (This family supports The U. S Marines!!!!!!)
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To: MineralMan

That's a nice piece but I like the Schubert better.


139 posted on 07/01/2006 3:36:51 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Twenty years in the Navy. Never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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To: DogBarkTree

Should've played "Back in the USSR"


140 posted on 07/01/2006 7:25:09 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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