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To hate America is to hate mankind
The Telegraph ^ | The Telegraph

Posted on 07/02/2006 9:13:39 PM PDT by managusta

Kipling's poem The White Man's Burden is often assumed to be about the British Empire, but it was in fact addressed to the United States, then beginning its global ascendancy following the Spanish-American War.

A century later, its lines -"The blame of those ye better, the hate of those ye guard" - seem eerily prophetic. According to our YouGov poll, even many Britons regard America as malign, although they remain fond of individual Americans.

Of course America occasionally deserves criticism. Like every country, it puts its own interests first, sometimes hypocritically. George W. Bush's decision to impose tariffs on imported steel, while preaching commercial liberalisation, is an example.

Ditto the outrageous one-sidedness of the extradition treaty that allows the American authorities to whisk British subjects away without presenting prima facie evidence, but allows no reciprocal action against IRA gunmen in America.

This is, of course, how all superpowers behave. A hundred years ago, it was Britain that resisted supranationalism, and America that constantly demanded international arbitration. But the fact that other nations would do the same if they could get away with it means little to America's critics.

Americans find themselves damned either way. If they remain within their own borders, they are isolationist hicks who are shirking their responsibilities. If they intervene, they are rapacious imperialists.

Indeed, many of their detractors manage to hold these two ideas in their heads simultaneously. Yet a moment's thought should reveal that they are both unfair. In Yugoslavia, America did everything it could to encourage Europe to act.

Only when European passivity was leading to mass slaughter did Washington intervene - benignly and decisively. (Even the most virulent anti-Americans struggle to explain what possible strategic interest there was in Kosovo.) It is a similar story when it comes to Iran.

For a decade, American policy-makers left it to the EU to defuse the nuclear threat from the ayatollahs. Now, with their tactic of constructive engagement in ruins, the Europeans instinctively look to Washington for protection. But you can bet that they will howl with protest if it becomes clear that such protection is best afforded through the deployment of force.

To dislike a country as diverse as America is misanthropic: America, more than any other state, contains the full range of humanity between its coasts. What binds its people together is an ideal encoded in America's DNA.

Conceived in a popular uprising against autocratic government, the United States has a natural sympathy with self-rule, personal freedom and representative government. To this day, it is guided by the Jeffersonian ideal that decisions should be taken as closely as possible to the people they affect.

The EU, of course, is founded on the opposite principle, that of "ever-closer union". No wonder its peoples sometimes resent their more successful cousins.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: america; geopolitics; hate; uk; usa
There is no other nation on earth that has melded over 190 nationalities who speak 600 languages into one nation, Which has despite the cost in blood and treasure, liberated millions of helpless oppressed peoples.

Happy Birthday America....on this Fourth of July on your behalf from those who have recieved your largesse, we applaud we applaud you :- Germany,Japan,Iraq,Afganhistan,Israel,Jordan,Egypt,Russia,Mexiuco, the United Kingdom,France,Belgium, Luxemburg,Denmark,Fionland,Sweden ,Spain,Latvia ,Lithunia,Poland,Bosnia,Croatia, Kosovo, Georgia,Kazakstan,Estonia,the list goes on.

1 posted on 07/02/2006 9:13:40 PM PDT by managusta
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To: managusta
America absolutely, positively, rocks, period, end of story. Our greatness has bestowed dignity to the modern world; perhaps I should rephrase; the Almighty has seen fit to make this land a conduit of his grace and dignity.

Rock on, my beautiful America!

2 posted on 07/02/2006 9:18:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: managusta

And we wish the best for you. Thanks.


3 posted on 07/02/2006 9:19:46 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: managusta

Great piece!


4 posted on 07/02/2006 9:22:45 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (The Left hates America)
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To: managusta

Wow! Somebody gets it.


5 posted on 07/02/2006 9:23:23 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: managusta
"... but allows no reciprocal action against IRA gunmen in America."

The Kennedys' malign influence again?
6 posted on 07/02/2006 9:28:37 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"Rock on, my beautiful America!"

Bump to that!

7 posted on 07/02/2006 9:28:46 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: managusta
Truth, Justice, and "all that stuff." /sarc directed toward the new Superman movie.

Thank you, managusta, for posting this article. It makes me feel better on this 4th of July.

8 posted on 07/02/2006 9:30:04 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: managusta

BTTT


9 posted on 07/02/2006 9:30:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: managusta
Even the most virulent anti-Americans struggle to explain what possible
strategic interest there was in Kosovo


About the only explanation I can see is...we stayed out in 1914...and still
got dragged in on the end of WWI.

We stayed out in 1939-Dec. 1941...and we still got dragged into WWII in Europe.


What the h-ll, we might as well just come running when the sh-t hits the fan
in Europe instead of waiting until it's higher than our waders.

That's about the only rational I can generate.
10 posted on 07/02/2006 9:31:56 PM PDT by VOA
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To: managusta

Finally I give a rip about what a European thinks. Guess I am close-minded that way. Thanks for the post.


11 posted on 07/02/2006 9:32:11 PM PDT by Draco
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To: managusta
many Britons regard America as malign

OK, we'll remember that the NEXT time Germany is kicking your asses. I mean, it's bound to happen...

12 posted on 07/02/2006 9:32:25 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: managusta

America rocks, bump!!!

Great article!


13 posted on 07/02/2006 9:36:31 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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To: VOA

It was all about "Wag The Dog" and Monica Lewinsky and the rape of Juanita (is rape a love crime or a hate crime?) The Serbs were America's best friend in the region in WW2 and we bombed Belgrade because some Muslims got Madelyin Alldim all up-set!!! My how things have changed!!!


14 posted on 07/02/2006 9:38:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: managusta

Perfect.


15 posted on 07/02/2006 9:38:51 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: sageb1
It makes me feel better on this 4th of July.

Independence Day!!!!

16 posted on 07/02/2006 9:40:05 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: VOA

Except waiting until the excrement hits the fan usually ends up costing a lot more in American and allied lives. Not to mention her enemies lives.


17 posted on 07/02/2006 9:40:59 PM PDT by Edison (I don't know what irks me more, whether they lied or the incompetence.)
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To: managusta

Bravo. Right now there are liberals and other assorted loons reading this thread and gritting their teeth and the notion of celebrating the greatness of the United States of America.


18 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:11 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: the invisib1e hand
In 1607 near cape Henry in Virgina, Godly men stepped on this land and dedicated it to God.
It's a wondrous thing to see what God did with this land and nation, and it is God's design, will, and destiny.
The sad part is , America is gone astray from it's roots of Christianity, America needs to turn back to God.
19 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:24 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: VOA

I can suggest a more cynical explanation for Clinton's Balkan interventions, to wit, the same motivation as the Europeans had: throwing Christian Serbia to the Islamist crocodile in hope of being eaten last.


20 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:26 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Edison

"Except waiting until the excrement hits the fan usually ends up costing a lot
more in American and allied lives."

You've more clearly stated my naive guess at the reason for the intervention.


21 posted on 07/02/2006 9:48:10 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
Yes, sir, as a dedicated history buff, I came to that conclusion quite some time ago---about the time WWII ended.
22 posted on 07/02/2006 10:14:22 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: singfreedom
As for Clinton and Kosovo: He accidentally did the right thing for all the wrong reasons---the dumb b*st*rd.
23 posted on 07/02/2006 10:20:11 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: singfreedom

Oh, my gosh, I almost forgot: Happy Birthday my wonderful, beautiful country, I owe you so very, very much!!!


24 posted on 07/02/2006 10:22:35 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Lunatic Fringe

they are allready out of the world cup


25 posted on 07/03/2006 12:41:17 AM PDT by Rummenigge (Es gibt noch mehr wie Fußball auf der Welt)
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To: managusta

Up the U.S.A and bring Britian and Australia along!..give 'em hell!


26 posted on 07/03/2006 1:30:36 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: managusta

ping


27 posted on 07/03/2006 1:46:53 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: Rummenigge

LOL!


28 posted on 07/03/2006 2:40:29 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: The_Reader_David
throwing Christian Serbia to the Islamist crocodile in hope of being eaten last.

We have a winner!
29 posted on 07/03/2006 3:04:05 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: managusta
To hate America is to hate mankind

Anyone believe this sentiment would stop a Socialist for even one second?

30 posted on 07/03/2006 3:28:21 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

'OK, we'll remember that the NEXT time Germany is kicking your asses. I mean, it's bound to happen...'

LOL - it's exactly that attitude that makes some Brits feel the US State is malign - perhaps a little noblesse oblige would go a long way! :D


31 posted on 07/03/2006 3:45:37 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
America needs to turn back to God.

The good news is, America can.

32 posted on 07/03/2006 4:21:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: managusta

Thank you.


33 posted on 07/03/2006 4:28:12 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: managusta; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
Only when European passivity was leading to mass slaughter did Washington intervene - benignly and decisively. (Even the most virulent anti-Americans struggle to explain what possible strategic interest there was in Kosovo.)

Kosovo slaughter bump

34 posted on 07/03/2006 5:04:19 AM PDT by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: singfreedom
As for Clinton and Kosovo: He accidentally did the right thing for all the wrong reasons---the dumb b*st*rd.

Yes, we need to purge all these pesky Christians from Kosovo.

35 posted on 07/03/2006 5:06:01 AM PDT by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: managusta

The article was great and right on the money. The title was a bit over the top though.


36 posted on 07/03/2006 5:07:27 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (FReeple: Those Freepers who insist on repeating GOP talking points rather than thinking.)
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To: singfreedom

My hat is off to you.....I read the same thing and had the same reaction but didn't write anything. Otherwise, ok...but, I did have a little hiccup about this same issue.....about Kosovo.


37 posted on 07/03/2006 5:37:12 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: the invisib1e hand
A typical Maryland early Summer night is about 75 degrees, a cool breeze blowing the sweet smell of honeysuckle everywhere while the whole world sparkles with fireflies. If this is not some sort of promise land, I'm not sure what it would be.
38 posted on 07/03/2006 5:42:38 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: managusta
Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but right or wrong, our country!

Steven Decatur
39 posted on 07/03/2006 6:29:51 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: the invisib1e hand; All

I was thinking desptie the problems we have, I think our founders would be pleased in how this nation progressed from a nation that had little or now power in the world to the world's only super power.


40 posted on 07/03/2006 6:44:33 AM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis; Vision
vision: agreed.

KD: Perhaps; and they would find much to be concerned about; I'd wager they'd find our battles to be almost as critical as theirs.

41 posted on 07/03/2006 7:10:49 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: managusta

ping 4 later


42 posted on 07/03/2006 8:21:01 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: decal

45 million irish voters.


43 posted on 07/03/2006 11:36:37 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Amen !!! brother.

II Chronicles chapter 7 verse 14.

If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways , then will I hear from heaven and forgive them and heal their land.
44 posted on 07/04/2006 1:43:35 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: VOA
The way I see it ( if it's any consolation ) that God uses a mighty power to control human events and stamp out evil evil.

For those who don't believe the Bible here is something to consider and think about.

The Israelites were captured and forced into bondage for their disobedience towards God ( it was prophesied that they will go into Babylonian, and return to the promised land afterwords ).

God used a pagan King ( King Cyrus of Persia ) ( who also was prophesied in the book of Isaiah that whom God would raise up to defeat the Babylonians 200 years before he was born. )
God's divine will and sovereignty directed world events, and God used ( remember he was a pagan King who did not worship the God of Israel ) King Cyrus to deliver the Israelites from the hands of the Babylonians.
Not only did he set them free, but, made a decree that they would be protected and rebuild Jerusalem.
It was by God's will, sovereignty, and providence that the USA came into being.
It is by no accident that America is the greatest country that this world has ever known.
But, America has strayed away from it's Christian roots ( Yes, God ordained this county to be a " Christian Nation " in spite of what the heathens or the ungodly think and we need to repent and turn back to God.
What ever happens, God is using the USA for his purposes and divine will.

Thank God for a country like the USA, that is the most blessed.
Thank God that we live in the USA.
45 posted on 07/04/2006 2:05:26 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
What America has is a sense of God infusing the natural realm with Himself, that realm responding according to His will, fully available for man to interact with.

God is not just supernatural and far away, He is here and now, and we walk with Him.

This must be the vital source of our Patriotism, the courage that moves men to sacrifice for this land and for the ultimate good of mankind, by promoting Liberty and Justice for all.

God bless America.

46 posted on 07/04/2006 5:47:18 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: managusta

God Bless the USA.


47 posted on 07/05/2006 4:48:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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