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A Pack of Lies - The surgeon general hypes the hazards of secondhand smoke.
Reason ^ | July 5, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/05/2006 10:41:15 AM PDT by neverdem

The surgeon general hypes the hazards of secondhand smoke.

According to Surgeon General Richard Carmona, secondhand smoke is so dangerous that you'd be better off if you stopped going to smoky bars and started smoking instead. "Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke," claims the press release that accompanied his new report on the subject, "has immediate adverse effects on the cardiovascular system and increases risk for heart disease and lung cancer."

Among smokers, these diseases take many years to develop. So if you got your health tips from the surgeon general, you'd start smoking a pack a day as a protective measure.

But you may want to look elsewhere for medical advice. Carmona is so intent on promoting smoking bans—a key element of the government's campaign to reduce cigarette consumption—that he absurdly exaggerates the hazards of secondhand smoke, hoping to generate enough public alarm to banish smokers from every location outside the home.

As the report itself makes clear, there is no evidence that brief, transient exposure to secondhand smoke has any effect on your chance of developing heart disease or lung cancer. The studies that link secondhand smoke to these illnesses involve intense, long-term exposure, typically among people who have lived with smokers for decades.

Even in these studies, it's difficult to demonstrate an effect, precisely because the doses of toxins and carcinogens bystanders passively absorb are much smaller than the doses absorbed by smokers, probably amounting to a fraction of a cigarette a day. Not surprisingly, the epidemiological studies cited by the surgeon general's report find that the increases in lung cancer and heart disease risks associated with long-term exposure to secondhand smoke are small, on the order of 20 to 30 percent. Among smokers, by contrast, the risk of heart disease is between 100 and 300 percent higher, while the risk of lung cancer is about 900 percent higher.

Because the associations found in the secondhand smoke studies are so weak, it's impossible to rule out alternative explanations, such as unreported smoking or other lifestyle variables that independently raise disease risks. Although the surgeon general's report concludes such factors are unlikely to entirely account for the observed associations, the truth is we don't know for sure and probably never well, given the limitations of epidemiology and the difficulty of measuring low-level risks.

Reasonable people can disagree about the meaning of these ambiguous data, and it's not surprising that supporters of smoking bans like Carmona are inclined to see a clear causal relationship, while opponents (like me) are inclined to be more skeptical. But there is no excuse for the kind of scare mongering in which Carmona engaged when he implied that you could drop dead from the slightest whiff of tobacco smoke.

Even supporters of smoking bans, such as longtime anti-smoking activist Michael Siegel, faulted Carmona for gilding the lily (blackening the lung?) by saying things such as, "There is NO risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure." This position contradicts the basic toxicological principle that the dose makes the poison. Since it's hard to measure even the health consequences of heavy, long-term exposure to secondhand smoke, how could one possibly demonstrate an effect from, say, a few molecules? "No risk-free level" is an article of faith, not a scientific statement.

Speaking of which, Carmona was at pains to say he was merely summarizing the science, not making policy recommendations, even though he emphasized that smoking bans are the only way to eliminate the "serious public health hazard" posed by secondhand smoke. He is right about this much: The issue of what the government should do about secondhand smoke is independent from the issue of exactly how risky it is. Whether smoking bans are a good idea is a question not of science but of values, of whether we want to live in a country where a majority forcibly imposes its preferences on everyone else or one where there is room for choice and diversity.

© Copyright 2006 by Creators Syndicate Inc.


Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason. His weekly column is distributed by Creators Syndicate. If you'd like to see it in your local newspaper, please e-mail or call the editorial page editor today.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bs; govwatch; jocelynelderspart2; libertarians; nannystate; secondhandsmoke; surgeongeneral; wodlist
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1 posted on 07/05/2006 10:41:17 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Gabz

ping


2 posted on 07/05/2006 10:42:14 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: SheLion

*ping*


3 posted on 07/05/2006 10:44:07 AM PDT by houeto
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To: neverdem

Come on people, the very future of the planet is at stake here. You light up, it could be TEOTWAWKI!


4 posted on 07/05/2006 10:50:15 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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To: neverdem

If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?


5 posted on 07/05/2006 10:54:29 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: neverdem
I am waiting for the support documentation from this sleazebucket.

A federal court already told the AG's office and EPA once before that picking the parts they like from questionable "studies", and ignoring the parts they don't like constitutes fraud.

It's certainly not science!

Where did the UN WHO study go?
The one rare, long-term, multithousand person second-hand smoke truly scientific study...

6 posted on 07/05/2006 10:55:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Publius6961

Isn't the SG wife some major player in smoking preventative drugs or something? No conflict of interest if it is "for the children", I suppose.


7 posted on 07/05/2006 10:58:46 AM PDT by newcthem
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To: Mike Darancette
The hyped danger is the linchpin for civil disobedience. What we need are people to start calling 911 every time they see somebody lighting up a cigarette. The police and 911 operators may be annoyed, but how can they dispute the legitimacy of the calls when they are employed by the same local governments that repeatedly hype the fact that smokers subject us to death or grievous bodily harm, no less than a psychopath wielding a chainsaw?

By insisting that second-hand smoke is a killer, how will they react to someone who uses deadly force against a smoker?

8 posted on 07/05/2006 11:06:13 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mike Darancette
If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?

Look at the bright side!

If the gummint allowed deep pockets "Big Tobacco" to get sued for trillions after warnings on packages of cigarettes for over 30 years, think of the bonanza coming soon...

I will love the even deeper pockets of Uncle Sam and the most stupid bureaucrats and activists on the planet, endlessly warning us that second-hand smoke is the greatest threat to humanity, and simultaneously failing to outlaw the most dangerous substance on earth!

Worse than asbestos... Alar... Agent Orange... you name it.
I plan to be rich!

9 posted on 07/05/2006 11:07:01 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Mike Darancette

When govts at all levels have tax benefits from tobacco companies locked in to NOT sell cigarettes in the US, then they will allow it to become an illegal product here. I believe that is what the states AG lawsuits were all about, securing a revenue stream for the future, outside of sales activity.


10 posted on 07/05/2006 11:15:48 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: neverdem; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ..

NANNY STATE PING.....................

Jacob Sullum once again NAILS it!!!!!


Dr. Michael Siegel and I have very differing views regarding smoker bans, however, to give credit where credit is due, the good doctor has openned his eyes to the true evil that constitutes the smoker control industry. (although he still insists on calling it tobacco control)


11 posted on 07/05/2006 11:16:48 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Publius6961

Well, there is this article from 1998.

http://www.forces.org/articles/files/passive1.htm


12 posted on 07/05/2006 11:17:58 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Publius6961
Where did the UN WHO study go?

I don't know, but Fumento's article, "Killing the passive smoking debate ," prompted me to find this one, "Environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians, 1960-98." It's quite interesting. Fumento also makes the point that no new studies were included in the latest press release from the Surgeon General.

13 posted on 07/05/2006 11:19:05 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

I am really tired of this issue. The hell with it.


14 posted on 07/05/2006 11:21:38 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: neverdem
10 minutes after setting up to watch fire-works in the open air of the City Park last night with the wife and kids, the couple 20 ft away and up-wind both lit up their smokes.

We moved.

It stinks and is disgusting. Whose got the rights in this case? Public-park and I'd rather not inhale 2nd hand smoke, versus public-park and I'm a smoker?
15 posted on 07/05/2006 11:21:55 AM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border is THE issue)
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To: newcthem; Publius6961
Isn't the SG wife some major player in smoking preventative drugs or something?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..........that may explain some of the comments I've been reading elsewhere about the SG getting money from the anti-smoker groups.

16 posted on 07/05/2006 11:24:57 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: mad puppy

You moved, that's the correct thing to do. That or stay home.


17 posted on 07/05/2006 11:26:11 AM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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To: neverdem
...a key element of the government's campaign to reduce cigarette consumption get their hands on more of your money

Fixed
18 posted on 07/05/2006 11:27:05 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: Joe 6-pack
What we need are people to start calling 911 every time they see somebody lighting up a cigarette. The police and 911 operators may be annoyed, but how can they dispute the legitimacy of the calls when they are employed by the same local governments that repeatedly hype the fact that smokers subject us to death or grievous bodily harm, no less than a psychopath wielding a chainsaw?

When the smoker, oops I mean smoking, ban went into effect in Delaware, the Chief of the Dover Police Department issued a press release telling everyone to NOT call them....they would not respond for a smoking violation unless it involved a criminal event such as assault.

According to my sources the majority of arrests that have been made in Dover (and Delaware in general) regarding smoking ban violations have been of anti-smokers physically attacking smokers.

19 posted on 07/05/2006 11:28:53 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Mike Darancette
If it's so damn dangerous why don't they outlaw it?

Wouldn't be able to heavily tax it if they outlaw it. How could they continue to waste all that money without the revenues from cigarettes?

20 posted on 07/05/2006 11:38:09 AM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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To: mad puppy

Poor baby. The smokers are taxpayers, just like you.

But I wonder your problem, watching fireworks, with the likelihood of smelling them, yet complaining about folks smoking cigarettes.........you've got issues.


21 posted on 07/05/2006 11:38:55 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: neverdem
Memo to Surgeon General: Get back to me on second hand smoke when you officially denounce homosexuality as a health hazard.

How many people die of second-hand AIDS?

22 posted on 07/05/2006 11:44:42 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: neverdem

The DOD has just announced that they are dismantling their nuclear program in favor of the development of the innovative second-hand-smoke bomb.

The new bomb, developed by DARPA in the late 90's, was financed by the revenue generated from the numberous tobacco settlements.

An anonymous Pentagon official stated, "According to all of the data gathered from these lawsuits, second-hand-smoke is the deadliest stuff on the planet. It would be a disservice to national defense not to weaponize it."


23 posted on 07/05/2006 11:45:06 AM PDT by rock_lobsta
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To: rock_lobsta

That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Good!!!!!!!!!!!


24 posted on 07/05/2006 11:53:17 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Mike Darancette

Beacuse one of the driving forces behind the anti-smoking movement is the drug legalization crowd. All they want to do get cigarette smoking to be percieved as the same as doing drugs, then they will switch from being anti smoking to pro drug legalization.


25 posted on 07/05/2006 11:56:49 AM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (The Amish are the barometers of real freedom in this country.)
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To: neverdem

It amazes me that any of us are even here today. If second hand smoke is so bad then we all should have died years ago when cigarettes weren't filtered and more people were smoking. In fact the only place smoking wasn't allowed was in church, but as soon as the sermon was over with they were lighting up on the steps outside.


26 posted on 07/05/2006 12:00:34 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: mad puppy
After about forty years of smoking, I finally quit five years ago. I have resisted becoming a smoking hypocrit, but I had no idea how bad they smelled. They used to point out to me how bad they smelled, mostly my family, and I would be so dismissive of their point of view. I'm sure I was great fun on a crosscountry trip in the car, as we often travelled together in that manner. Wet cigarettes on my deck from my daughter and her husband,left there after a rain, are putrid. Now, pardon me for griping. My best friend didn't quit when I did and now has lung cancer. Three packs a day to my one. I'm finally accepting what I should have known a long time ago.
27 posted on 07/05/2006 12:02:39 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Joe 6-pack

What we need are people to start calling 911 every time they see somebody lighting up a cigarette. The police and 911 operators may be annoyed..

You might want to rethink this one - tying up 911 lines will punish not so much the police and 911 operators as it will punish those in need of police and ambulance services. I'd hate to see the death of a heart attack victim on someone's conscience when there might be better ways to deal with the issue.

28 posted on 07/05/2006 12:03:51 PM PDT by retMD
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To: billhilly
Now, pardon me for griping

NO, this whining is annoying. Maybe we should tax whining, then raise the legal age to 90 before you are allowed to whine.

29 posted on 07/05/2006 12:08:44 PM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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To: retMD
tying up 911 lines will punish not so much the police and 911 operators as it will punish those in need of police and ambulance services.

Which is an excellent idea. It might provide the impetus to repeal some of these absurd laws.

30 posted on 07/05/2006 12:22:15 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Joe 6-pack
By insisting that second-hand smoke is a killer, how will they react to someone who uses deadly force against a smoker?

Interesting question.

31 posted on 07/05/2006 12:26:13 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mad puppy
We moved.

Good. You made the right decision.

32 posted on 07/05/2006 12:29:15 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: rock_lobsta

Excellent!


33 posted on 07/05/2006 12:37:52 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge; retMD
"You might want to rethink this one - tying up 911 lines will punish not so much the police and 911 operators as it will punish those in need of police and ambulance services. I'd hate to see the death of a heart attack victim on someone's conscience when there might be better ways to deal with the issue."

I think that before long the operators would soon be hanging up on the smoking calls...which would highlight the fact that even the government acknowledges that second hand smoke is nowhere near the threat they hold it out to be. As for the use of deadly force, according to the antis, surgeon general included, second hand smoke is lethal, it merely acts more slowly than a bullet. According to the banners, my smoking in a public park is every bit as much a hazard as my taking my M1 and cranking off a few rounds, not at anyone or anything in particular, but just shooting at random. According to their logic, my second hand smoke might kill someone, and dead is dead...just like a stray bullet might kill someone. If the smoke is potentially fatal to others, why does it matter how long it takes to kill? If a bullet kills in a fraction of a second, is that any more fatal than poisoning someone to death over the course of a week? a month? a year? decades? Is it any worse than embezzling $1 million all at once, or over the course of years? If smoking puts another person's life at risk, should they not be permitted deadly force to defend themselves? I'd like the liberal-logic answer on this, but doubt they would ever address it. Of course it's an absurd notion, but it's the logical conclusion to the path on which we've embarked.....

34 posted on 07/05/2006 12:39:50 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mad puppy

"It stinks" is the biggest single complaint from non-smokers who aren't yet on the warpath but I would think that the stench that accompanies a fireworks display might mask the smell just a bit.


35 posted on 07/05/2006 12:45:03 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: neverdem

nump


36 posted on 07/05/2006 12:47:07 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: billhilly

Another one for "stinks."


37 posted on 07/05/2006 12:47:59 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: bfree

I know exactly how you feel. I was an addict myself.


38 posted on 07/05/2006 12:52:55 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly

And now you are addicted to whining.

You have no idea how anyone feels, you just like to whine.


39 posted on 07/05/2006 12:58:30 PM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping Gabz! I was going to ping you, but saw that someone beat me to it. So, I sat back and smoked a cigarette and awaited your ping-a-ling! ;*)


40 posted on 07/05/2006 1:03:10 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Old Professer
"It stinks" is the biggest single complaint from non-smokers who aren't yet on the warpath but I would think that the stench that accompanies a fireworks display might mask the smell just a bit.

At least the smell (stink, or stench if you so desire) of tobacco smoke washes off - unlike that of the nanny state control freaks - that stench is bone deep.

41 posted on 07/05/2006 1:03:52 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: mad puppy
Well, too bad you had to move to accommodate someone else's rude behavior.

You can't legislate manners, I suppose.
42 posted on 07/05/2006 1:07:19 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: All
In many ways tobacco helped to finance America's beginnings. It was one of the first exports. (Why aren't the Indian's blamed for this product?) So it's damaging to ones health. I had a doctor tell me that just living in southern California does as much damage as smoking one pack a day. When will they have warning signs on city signs here exclaiming the danger?

The UN study proved that second hand smoke was just BS! In fact it also proved that children raised in a smoking environment rarely had asthma! Maybe this is why the incidence of asyhma is rapidly increasing among our children?
43 posted on 07/05/2006 1:17:32 PM PDT by JLGALT (Get ready - Lock and Load!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
but it's the logical conclusion to the path on which we've embarked.....

There have been cases of AIDS-infected people being charged with attempted murder for knowingly infecting others.

AIDS and attempted murder charges

I see it as no great stretch for the hysterics to view second-hand smoke the same way, mentally unhinged as they are to begin with.

44 posted on 07/05/2006 1:36:21 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mad puppy
Outdoors, from 20 feet away you could smell the smoke?

What, are you all part bloodhound?

45 posted on 07/05/2006 1:38:58 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mad puppy
It stinks and is disgusting. Whose got the rights in this case? Public-park and I'd rather not inhale 2nd hand smoke, versus public-park and I'm a smoker?

I hate it when people wear cheap perfume or after shave. It stinks and is disgusting. We should ban the wearing of any perfume under $50 a bottle in public (or just perfume I just plain don't like). Who has the rights in this case? Public park and I'd rather not inhale cheap perfume vs. public park and I wear Aqua Velva?

How about people who go out in public with colds and the flu? Should they be ordered to stay in the home? I guarantee there are more deaths from the flu each year than second hand smoke and catching a cold is much more irritating than inhaling second hand smoke. Where are my rights not to be subject to sneezing people on the subway or an elevator?

46 posted on 07/05/2006 2:09:11 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (True statesmen ... are not defined by what they compromise, but what they don’t.)
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To: Gabz
At least the smell (stink, or stench if you so desire) of tobacco smoke washes off - unlike that of the nanny state control freaks - that stench is bone deep.

I don't even like smoking. I smoke just to spite those people.

47 posted on 07/05/2006 2:12:04 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (True statesmen ... are not defined by what they compromise, but what they don’t.)
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To: bfree

An addict and a mind reader. That's a combination not often found. Maybe someone can get it written up in a medical Journal.


48 posted on 07/05/2006 2:14:37 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Gabz
Poor baby. The smokers are taxpayers, just like you.

But I wonder your problem, watching fireworks, with the likelihood of smelling them, yet complaining about folks smoking cigarettes.........you've got issues.


Smokers pay taxes? Really? Brilliant insight.

In Colorado, where I live, a law recently went into action that makes smoking illegal in "public places" like bars and restaurants. I truly have mixed feelings about it because while the smell of smoke makes me gag, the idea that the Gov't would tell a business owner they can't allow smoking makes me gag as well. If pushed I'd not have the law and let the business continue to decide.

We sat far enough away from the launch area that we didn't smell the fire works, thanks for your concern. I believe your name calling etc. on such a trivial thread speaks volumes about you. Smoker or not, you have my sympathy.
49 posted on 07/05/2006 2:15:14 PM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border is THE issue)
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To: billhilly
Smoking is a very difficult addiction to break. Good for you. My mother started smoking while still in her teens and after major harassment from her kids (lead by me) we got her to quit several times before finally giving it up for good. I'd like to think her quitting bought her a couple extra years, but the stomach cancer got her about 10 months ago. She frequently said she enjoy being able to smell things again once she quit.
50 posted on 07/05/2006 2:21:14 PM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border is THE issue)
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