Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
No one had to 'school' me about debating phonies, EV, your patronizing notwithstanding.
It's simple. You can't back up your charges, so you run and hide. Your facade has fallen.
I will pray for you, that you will be restored to honesty and peace, because the person on this thread is not the man I thought I knew.
LOL...
Right every thing they print is 100 percent lies(sarc) You know I for one question what I read. I question their stuff and I do independent research. I quite ironic to me that we conservatives that were starting to expose all the trash in the MSM has now become in some factions what we hated.
It amazes me that people post stuff from Worldnet Daily and even NewsMax and act like everything they say is Gospel without looking at the fact they might have certain agendas of their own. This is not the Wall Street Jouranl or even the National Review we are looking at. These internet news organizations that portray themselves as conservative and are posted on here and a million other sites and sent in email are often no more than a racket connected to direct mail and other profit making organizations. It happens on the left too. I wonder how much money they have made off selling just the mailing list alone
IF you can't see the absolute cooridination of these groups then you must be blind. How they all seem to speak with one voice, often now against our own Republican President is quite something to see. So forgive me if I my main concern is not with the SPLC. If you had told me that the word traitor and other horrible terms would be used by conservative groups toward our President and othe r Republicans I would have laughed a few years ago. I am not laughing anymore. We are being used.
Thanks, I mean its apparent something is going on. I mean you look at this "washington consultant" that SImcox is tied into and it is all the usual suspects.
Will you admit that I have never in a single post, opposed the MM, nor Simcox?
Will you admit that I am a secured borders, strong anti-illegals conservative?
Or will you just laugh and prove that you are afraid of admitting that you were wrong?
Which is it to be, EV? Honest admission of error, or cowardly twittering?
(I am praying as I type this that God will get a grip on you and shake you into honesty and courage).
Dees has levelled a lot of spurious charges in the past. His stock in trade is to make a few minor charges that are based in fact and then throw in some whoppers that are pure fiction but also are hard to track down. After all, to refute the charge, you in effect have to prove a negative.
You really should reconsider your willingness to go along with what Morris Dees puts out.
We need to approach this with a modicum of common sense. I am dismissing the personal attacks made on Simcox because they are neither here nor there. In fact, let's take the personalities out of this all together.
I DO take believers in the cause seriously and they've sounded the alarm that something is not right. If people are selling their houses to send money to one of our own, it is not reasonable for us to ask for an accounting of those funds? Isn't it reasonable for good and decent freepers to ask what the money is being spent on and assess the results of the project thus far before we send additional funds? Isn't that a basic responsibility we have a conservatives?
I want the border to be protected. But IF it turns out that the issue is being used by charlatans to raise money, or people so sloppy with others money that there is no accounting for it and it will never go for the proposed purpose, we need to stop this thing in it's tracks because it will set the movement back further than anything the opponents could ever do.
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY.
I guess the thing that stuns me is that a person with your experience should understand that. You KNOW how transparent any campaign must be. Perhaps you have just been attacked so much you have lost a little perspective on this. But either way, I implore you to slow down, take a deep breath and watch that video again.
It is NOT what the reporter says that is disturbing it is what Chris Simcox himself says, and those who are affiliated with his cause. It has been four months since this happened and that is plenty of time to open those records and PROVE that the allegations are not true.
He owes us nothing. But if he wants to continue to lead, he needs to put this to rest. If he doesn't I think it is a reasonable course for those who support border security to distance themselves from him. I have a very clear understanding about this sort of thing based on Tim Eyeman experiences here in Washington State. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and things can get very confusing and murky very quickly.
In the words of President Reagan: Trust, but verify.
I wish you the best.
I don't agree with everything Dees says. But when post stuff and references newspaper articles and even even the publications of these groups it is not hard to go to that origianl source. PLus what does Dees have to do with this anyway. It is pretty much a red herring. It is not just Dees saying it.
Thanks for your entire post, polly..........but especially this statement.
Why EV, with his experience should be defending closed books, is puzzling...........and part of the reason I believe he has changed.
It makes absolutely no sense from a conservative political action perspective to defend financial secrecy in an effort this major and this important. One would think that those of us who value what the MM have done would ALL support complete financial disclosure.
He's been cited to make the case here against Simcox. And now you wish to walk away from that?
Has dees made any allegation of mail fraud? I thought his allegation were that Simcox was basically just a kook. If the SPLC has talked about possible malfeseance I am not aware of it. But perhaps they have.
You still haven't shown where I've lied. Do accusation by you constitute the truth? Are you that arrogant?
I think you are.
Opposing those requirements for any reason at all is unthinkable, IMO. I cannot understand advocating financial secrecy in a matter of such great importance.
It goes against every fiber of my very conservative being to support hiding how money is spent..........especially donated money from concerned patriotic Americans who care about the sovereignty and protection of this country, and donated for that reason.
There may well be no problem with how contributions were spent, but we need to know that.
If you don't see making false charges about critical issues problematic, then you have your own conscience to deal with before you debate with anyone else.
But when you make accusations as you have done without being able to back them up with facts, you need to be prepared to be challenged.
So far, you have avoided and evaded supporting your charges with evidence.
Most likely that's because there is none.
If it's 'arrogant' to care about the truth, consider me guilty as charged.
PLus just let clarify what is illegal. I am talking about the specifc act of alleged mail fraud. I am not saying that is illegal that political groups might be using this issue to make money through direct mail and other means. I also want to say clearly that I am not implying that it is in anyway illegal for someone for instance to be paid by a political organization or group to spout a certain view on a political internet forums or internet chat rooms. That happens all the time it just good politcal warfare. But we should not be naive about it
You are a boor. Go away.
He lives a lie.
You have an interesting concept of freedom, cartoon.
I always knew that he was very emotional, and prone to say things based on anger and not reason, but I seriously never thought he was a dishonest man.
I'm very disappointed to see that in him on this thread.
I can handle having one say things in anger that one regrets (I am guilty of that myself), but I can't tolerate deliberate lies ..........and that is what he has done on this thread.
I can no longer battle for LIFE alongside one who doesn't care about telling the truth.
And that, for me, is a great loss.
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