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China Deploys Nuclear Submarines...Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike(Thank you Clinton)
JoongAng Ilbo ^ | 07/07/06

Posted on 07/08/2006 12:19:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

/begin my translation

China Deploys Nuclear Submarines...Capable of Nuclear Counterstrike

Hong Kong's Xin-bao reported on July 7th that China has deployed next-generation nuclear submarines and is capable of second nuclear counterstrike.

German military publication 'International Navy' reported that China officially deployed recently-developed Type 093 and 094 nuclear submarines, and conducted training exercises. They are in combat-deployment now, according to the publication.

It said that Type 094, Tang-class, is the improved version of Xia-class nuclear submarine, with 10,000-ton displacement, and can carry 16 Julang-2 SLBM's which have the range of 10,000 km. Each Julang-2 can have three nuclear-warheads, which means that a single Type 094 submarine can strike 48 targets simultaneously.

Type 094 has fourth-generation nuclear reactor and is equipped with noise-suppression feature and precision sonar capability. It has superior stealth, mobility, and survivability, which is rated as comparable to Ohio-class submarine of U.S.

Type 093 is an attack submarine with 7,150 ton displacement , whose design is based on Han-class submarine.

If their deployment is successful, Chinese nuclear capability will expand from land-based nukes to second nuclear counterstrike, according to this publication.

People's Daily, Chinese official communist party paper, featured an article on its Internet site about the submarines on July 6th, which is a de-facto confirmation of their deployment.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boomer; china; chinesemilitary; clinton; clintonlegacy; geopolitics; julang2; missiles; nuclearsubmarine; secondstrike; type093; type094
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1 posted on 07/08/2006 12:19:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Khurkris; hedgetrimmer; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/08/2006 12:21:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

it is heartbreaking.. look at what 8 years of Clinton gave us... China fully nuclear now, NK on the verge of becoming one. that bastard!


3 posted on 07/08/2006 12:22:28 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: TigerLikesRooster; callmejoe; Donna Lee Nardo

Thanks for the ping.......To Tiger


4 posted on 07/08/2006 12:29:23 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (++Did you hug your loved ones today? Do it 3 times each, and Thank God, you have them.)
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To: Cinnamon

Ummm...a few things here.

This is essentially PRC propaganda. Their first generation SSBN was an embarrassing disaster - it doesn't even leave port. Just because the article gives you what you perceive is a fun axe to grind doesn't mean you ignore the sourcing.

And where did you get the idea that PLAN SSBN technology has much at all to do with Clinton?

It's overwhelmingly based on Russian technology, but I know it's not nearly as much fun to blame it on them. Hate to break it to you, but it's not like the Chinese military would be armed with rocks and pointed sticks were it not for Clinton.

The Chinese first had missles tipped with nuclear warheads aimed at US cities in the Reagan Administration.


5 posted on 07/08/2006 12:39:06 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
Re #5

It is MIRV technology I referred to. Julang-2 is MIRV.

7 posted on 07/08/2006 12:53:38 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Cinnamon
look at what 8 years of Clinton gave us... China fully nuclear now, NK on the verge of becoming one. that bastard!

Truly frightening.

Carter started the ball rolling with creating the image of the U.S. as weak and bumbling (Iran hostages, only action was sending 3 helicopters, from a military he had decimated, that crashed into each other in the desert - then sat in the Rose Garden all but comatose for months.

Clinton/Albright/et al make a sweetheart deal with No.Korea (sweetheart for them) - whereby we send them millions each year in return for not developing the nuke...and then never thought to check up on it.

Then the reports of hundreds of thousands of campaign contributions from the Chinese in return for technology that they have, evidently - big surprise - put to good use. (And NO investigation of these illegal transactions, let alone charges) -

And Bin Laden struck because he had gotten away with striking many times before, with little to no retaliation....Sadam - etc etc.

WE have a president now who understands the danger, wont molly coddle tyrants, won't cut and run like the dimWits did in 'nam - and everyone vilifies him and aids the enemy.

I am reminded that we sold scrap mettle to Japan before WW11 - that built bullets, bombs, Kamikazes and battleships...

frightening times again

8 posted on 07/08/2006 12:56:35 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time")
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To: maine-iac7

I'm tired of blaming X42 for everything that happens (although he deserves it). Why don't we just start kicking some ass?


9 posted on 07/08/2006 1:01:23 AM PDT by DaBadGuy ("Do you know who invented dynamite? No? You know why? Because he blew his frigging FACE off!!!!!")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"It has superior stealth, mobility, and survivability, which is rated as comparable to Ohio-class submarine of U.S."

I'm not trying to underestimate the enemy here and I'm no sub afficionado, but isn't the Ohio class that gigantic type of sub we developed for the Cold War? I think we stopped making it ten or fifteen years ago. Leads me to believe the above isn't much of a complement. Or am I dead wrong?
10 posted on 07/08/2006 1:12:40 AM PDT by Rane _H
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To: DaBadGuy
I'm tired of blaming X42 for everything that happens (although he deserves it). Why don't we just start kicking some ass?

I agree.

If they just stop blaming Bush for everything "X42" did - we wouldn't have to keep reminding people -

11 posted on 07/08/2006 1:13:29 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time")
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To: Rane _H
Re #10

It is just saying that China is doing well compared with other countries, excluding the top two, U.S. and Russia.

12 posted on 07/08/2006 1:17:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Strategerist; 4butnomorethan30characters; DaBadGuy; Rane _H; maine-iac7
Refer to the following FR post on 09/29/2003:

Judicial Watch Uncovers Clinton Nuclear Tech Transfer to China

/begin excerpt

U.S. Chips for PRC Nukes

Currently, China has only liquid fueled, long-range missiles, and the majority of them are based inside underground silos. These long-range rockets are reported to be "bore-sighted" – meaning the underground silos are aimed directly at target cities inside the United States.

The Chinese army is now attempting to shift its strategic nuclear arsenal to a solid-fuel "launch on command" capability. These new missiles are rail- and road-mobile and require sophisticated electronic guidance systems to accurately strike their intended targets.

As part of this upgrade, the Chinese army is also modifying its nuclear warhead designs to arm new survivable missiles such as the DF-31 and JL-2. Chinese engineers are planning to equip these new missiles with MIRV technology, allowing each missile to carry multiple nuclear warheads.

Again, the U.S. radiation hardened computer chip technology is a logical addition to the reconfiguration and upgrade of Chinese nuclear weapons.

/end excerpt

13 posted on 07/08/2006 1:40:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Strategerist

yes, but they had not perfected the gyroscope guidance system.. which is needed for accurate delivery that is until Clinton made it available via Loreal corp..


14 posted on 07/08/2006 1:42:15 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Strategerist
What you say is, of course, true. However, the Chinese did not get from Russia the effective and compact nuclear warhead designs needed for submarine IRBM use. The Russians are not so foolish as that. Instead those design techniques, and indeed, designs, came straight from the Clinton administration.

The Russians also withheld crucial ICBM-IRBM technologies. The Clinton administration did not.

The net effect was to move the Chinese from early 1950s nuclear weapons delivery systems almost into (depends on what "almost" means in this context!) a Polaris era capability. China received enough other technology (that we have not seen them use as yet) to move into a 1990s level state of the art. A great deal of effort is now necessary to ensure reasonable military superiority.

The Clinton administration has in effect cost the country trillions of dollars and years of development time.

Water under the bridge, of course.
15 posted on 07/08/2006 1:50:31 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"China has only liquid fueled, long-range missiles"

well,so was it in early 1990's,but now it is 2006.
case has changed much.

chinese nuke arsenals is the emphasis of its military-buildup,apart with navy and airforce.

in fact ,the progress of chinese military powers lie in the advancement of its mili-tech,not the increase of its mordern mili-equitment.

for example,in the past one decades,093&094 nuke sub,J10,041&039a sub have emerged and many people are amazed at that.
but the emergence of those platform is just the corner of ice.the more important is chinese grasp of some key mili-tech,such as MIRV,AGIS ,turbofan-engine and so on.


16 posted on 07/08/2006 2:47:35 AM PDT by sinoguy
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To: Rane _H

I thought our new subs were the Virginia class.


17 posted on 07/08/2006 3:32:58 AM PDT by Anvilhead (Dammit Jim, I'm an Ameri-can not an Ameri-can't.)
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To: Rane _H

Your'e wrong.


18 posted on 07/08/2006 5:03:26 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Anvilhead

Virginia class are SSNs, attack submarines.


19 posted on 07/08/2006 5:11:06 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


20 posted on 07/08/2006 5:12:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good thing we're getting rid of the S-3s.

Who needs ASW anyway?


21 posted on 07/08/2006 5:19:47 AM PDT by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: sinoguy
Thanks for the perspective. Are you Chinese, using a translator program?

It is easy to focus on the "tip of the iceberg", but most of it is in the water, ready to rip apart the hull! I see your image perfectly, and add to it, the will of the Chinese to increase their stance in the world. they do not like playing catch-up, but have done a good job of stealing from everyone else to accomplish their task.

Clinton was not the first, but probably the worst... faciltator in their game!

Chinese were Clinton's buddies, Mexicans are there for GWB! Americans? We just pay the bills for their pandering and bend over!


22 posted on 07/08/2006 5:21:56 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It has superior stealth, mobility, and survivability, which is rated as comparable to Ohio-class submarine of U.S.

Rated by who?

23 posted on 07/08/2006 5:24:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rane _H
Leads me to believe the above isn't much of a complement. Or am I dead wrong?

The Ohio class are considered to be the quietest ballistic missile submarines ever built. To say that the Chinese SSBN is as quiet is a definite complement, and something I have trouble believing.

24 posted on 07/08/2006 5:26:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Strategerist
I believe you are forgetting, perhaps conveniently, the fact that the Clinton Administration allowed there largest political contributor, LORAL SPACE and it's owner Bernie Sanders to sell China technology that allowed them to increase the throw weight, range and accuracy of their missiles. This sale was made against the advice of the CIA, FBI, State Dept and Pentagon, none of whom would sign off on the deal. Clinton then had the authority for this sale transfered to the Commerce Dept and the sale was made.

When it all came out LORAL SPACE was fined $14,000,000, a relative pittance, and China received technology that by all accounts advanced their missile program anywhere from 15-25 years.
26 posted on 07/08/2006 6:14:05 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Cinnamon
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the Ring-Laser-Gyro???
27 posted on 07/08/2006 6:22:26 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All
Remember to shop at Walmart everyone!

Just one of the fringe benefits of not buying American.
28 posted on 07/08/2006 6:24:30 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: All

Whose paying for Chinese nukes?
Answer: American/EU consumer purchasing cheap asian imports.

So we can blame ourselves, and don't feed the dog if you know one day he's going bite you in the ass.

Otherwise it's all self directed hate, until we as a nation quit playing the blame game, excuse making, crapola and get real working solutions.


34 posted on 07/08/2006 6:52:41 AM PDT by Rain-maker
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To: Strategerist
I was about the make similar points.

Thanks :)
35 posted on 07/08/2006 7:39:14 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: maine-iac7

Excellent come back. I agree with you. If there hadn't been 8 years of Clinton, Bush wouldn't be blamed for anything.


36 posted on 07/08/2006 8:11:32 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

China and Russia are up to no good, imo


37 posted on 07/08/2006 8:14:53 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&search=Democrats)
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To: taxed2death

You have stumbled onto a bash Clinton thread. The Wal-Mart bash thread is on aisle 19, across from Bush's Open Borders. Have a nice day.


38 posted on 07/08/2006 8:17:50 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Cinnamon

If China has Boomers, they've just given a new Mission and lease-on-life for our 688 Class Attack Boats.

We'll know all of their strengths, weakneses, quirks of the Driver and where to put a Homing Torpedo within a month!

Jack.


39 posted on 07/08/2006 8:24:55 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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40 posted on 07/08/2006 8:33:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How about our unfair trade alliance with China? Toys for missiles program!


41 posted on 07/08/2006 8:40:07 AM PDT by doc
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
That pic is not of a Type 094. The ships in the background look to be US, the one on the right perhaps an AEGIS cruiser. The sub on the surface looks like one of ours.

If the contention is that the Type 094 took the picture, I discount that as well. First. it would never be found anywhere near US vessels. Too great a risk, since the ChiComms have only one, maybe two at this stage and their role is to hide in the safest, deepest, darkest place they can find to avoid detection. Second, we would have found it before it ever got that close.

Many believe that the Type 094 looks like this:

It surely has that "humped" back which is absent in the picture shown, and it would be a much larger vessel than the one shown.

Though no known/public pictures of the beast exist yet. I am sure we have sat photos and other photos taken from our own assetts...but they are closely held. You can be sure whenever one of them ventures out anywhere, one of our attacks subs is close at hand.

Whatever the case, the Chicomms are embarked on a massive naval buildup and they have jumped several generations in terms of the capability and quality, and modernization of their fleet in the last ten years.


42 posted on 07/08/2006 8:42:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

It was Bernie Schwartz(sp?) not Bernie Sanders. Everything else is true.


43 posted on 07/08/2006 8:45:00 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
BTW, this is a potential pic of their two new Type 093 attack subs in Chinese coastal waters.

Supposedly roughly equivalent of Russian Victor IIIs or the initial batch of USN LA class boats. Still well behind our own newer boats (ADCAP LA, Seawolf, and Virginia), but a huge leap opver their earlier SSNs.


44 posted on 07/08/2006 8:45:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Eagles Talon IV; Cinnamon; Chode
Like many out there, you've given too much credibility to the reporting done on the PRC/Clinton scandal of the 90's. Loral does not make RLG,s or even rockets. They build commercial satellites and sell an integrated launch package, meaning they go out and buy the launcher and guarantee the satellite will be put on orbit for the customer.

Let me say I am a conservative, retired officer, and Reagan, Bush supporter (dont agree with illegal amnesty) before I continue, because I don't appreciate the vitriolic response I get when I talk about this, ok?

Truth is Loral, or rather a few individuals at Loral, like many other companies during the Clinton admin, violated some export control rules when investigating the failure of a launch of a Loral satellite on a Long March they had legally contracted with the PRC. (This was permitted then because Clinton had moved control of this technology from defense to state department, something those of us in defense would have disagreed with).

The violation was the passing of a report that explained some design issues with the Long March guidance system that led to the failure to the PRC. We did not give them new guidance systems. This was indeed a violation, and the company was properly fined.

Boeing was also fined for disclosures it made during this time. And if you recall, several of the computer manufacturers were also fined or criticized for selling the PRC Silicon Graphics machines, etc.

Loral became a rallying point for conservatives in congress to blame Clinton for the failure to protect this technology. Bernie SCHWARTZ, not Sanders, who I have no love for as a democratic supporter, became a symbol for the Republicans (again, my party) to attack.

Bernie deserved some of this, the company deserved the fine due to the export control failure, as did Boeing and others, and the export control of this technology needed to be put back under defense. Blame Clinton for not caring about our national defense, and go after individuals for violating rules.

But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

I just get tired of hearing the "LORAL gave it away" mantra. Its uneducated talking points from the Cox report that, as stated above, was an indictment of the Clinton administration policy failure.

And finally, no I don't work at Loral. So no flaming please.
45 posted on 07/08/2006 8:48:17 AM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: Magnum44
But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

Amen, they are seriously embarked on a military modernization and buildup program and they have the money now pouring in to accomplish it. They also have very bright engineers and use them, along with whatever trade advantages and intelligence advantages they can muster to that end...and they are making significant strides.

46 posted on 07/08/2006 8:51:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Magnum44
But don't think for a second that the PRC doesn't have tens of thousands of very smart people developing these new systems on their own or buying the necessary stuff from other countries.

Amen, they are seriously embarked on a military modernization and buildup program and they have the money now pouring in to accomplish it. They also have very bright engineers and use them, along with whatever trade advantages and intelligence advantages they can muster to that end...and they are making significant strides.

We dare not take them for granted or not view them seriously. With all the new naval and other branch deployments to WESTPAC< it is clear the Bush administration understands this.


47 posted on 07/08/2006 8:52:09 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
If this is true, the timing is perfect.

The news had a story last night about how the Navy has agreed not to use certain types of sonar -- the type used to locate submarines -- because it may disturb the poor effing whales. All brought to you by some animal-rights group.

I hate the left and all their smokescreen cover organizations.
48 posted on 07/08/2006 8:53:26 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Rain-maker
"Whose paying for Chinese nukes?
Answer: American/EU consumer purchasing cheap asian imports. "

Keep shopping at wal-mart folks.

49 posted on 07/08/2006 8:56:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Cinnamon

It amazes me how my supposedly educated liberal friends know NOTHING about Klintoon's treachery with the Chinese. After dealing with their scoffs, I always have to go back and re-research it to make sure I'm not crazy


50 posted on 07/08/2006 8:59:16 AM PDT by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com.)
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