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Gone to Pot?
ScienceNOW Daily News ^ | 6 July 2006 | Mary Beckman

Posted on 07/08/2006 2:48:58 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Caipirabob
Sure we can "kill demand".

But you wouldn't like it.

21 posted on 07/08/2006 6:27:57 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: coloradan
"alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, sugar, chocolate...." ~ you forgot water.

No doubt water gives your typical druggy a mighty thirst for heroin injected straight up.

However, as the rest of us know, back in the "real world", no such thing happens to normal people.

I think this is the test you've always wanted ~ but you wanted different results. Bwwaaahahahahahahahahahahah~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!

It's not happening.

Clue.

22 posted on 07/08/2006 6:30:41 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

This study reports on a neurologic condition, not a behavioral situation. Rats have the same sorts of nerves you do ~ just fewer of them ~ that's why they're so stupid eh.


23 posted on 07/08/2006 6:32:38 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: hodaka

BTW, concerning smoking natural plants, try poison ivy.


24 posted on 07/08/2006 6:33:21 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Wolfie

Didn't you read all the way through the article? They noted that heroin costs much more than MJ. Poverty protects druggies from hard drugs every single time eh!


25 posted on 07/08/2006 6:35:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Gad ~ I must be up entirely too early for the drug trade crowd. Wonder why they can't get up and do stuff on Saturday morning. Hmmmm.

Maybe I could sneak up on one of 'em and take his stash eh.

26 posted on 07/08/2006 6:36:57 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: neverdem

27 posted on 07/08/2006 6:38:35 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: neverdem
Did they do the test with alcohol, the real gateway drug, for comparison?
28 posted on 07/08/2006 6:40:43 AM PDT by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: neverdem; Admin Moderator
neverdem, this is the same information you already posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1662183/posts. Why the double post?
29 posted on 07/08/2006 6:49:45 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: All
From another article (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1662183/posts ) about this same research:

Over-stimulation of these receptors through exposure to cannabis may alter these cells so that the brain either feels intensely rewarded by subsequent heroin exposure, or needs an ever-increasing dose to feel the same pleasure — both of which could lead to addiction.

So any drug is a gateway to any other drug, including alcohol and tobacco.

She adds that two other drugs that also stimulate opioid cells, and could therefore also feasibly cause a gateway effect, are nicotine and alcohol. "If we turned back the clock with the knowledge we have now, these two drugs would never have been legalized," Hurd says.

"Gateway" or not, Prohibition was a ringing failure ... as is the war on drugs.

30 posted on 07/08/2006 6:54:01 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: winston2

It says 3/4 of a joint "scaled down for a rat's size"


31 posted on 07/08/2006 6:56:08 AM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: CalvaryJohn

In a related story, 100% of adult rats that use heroin started by hanging out with lab researchers on government grants.


32 posted on 07/08/2006 7:14:25 AM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: neverdem

This study does not pass the "so what test".


33 posted on 07/08/2006 7:16:41 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Bullsh## doesn't get bridges built.)
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To: muawiyah; A CA Guy; robertpaulsen
Gad ~ I must be up entirely too early for the drug trade crowd. ...

I am here, but I'm not in the "drug trade". I don't have a stash, but I can get anything I want on the drive over the hill. so can anyone else. As for sneaking up, try, please try! I'm not hard to find. I pinged your buddies since I refer the same thoughts to them.

I sell land, and travel services (not necessarily in that order). I did take some ibuprophen before Spot and I went over to the mountain for our morning walk in the woods. I do about 3-5 miles, while he gets his fill. He probably runs 20 miles or more, up and down the side of the mountains. I just walk and think. Sometimes I smoke a cigar, sometimes other things. I've never taken herooin in my life. I have smoked lots of marijuana.

You think you are such a smart-ass. Try building a new business with no bank account! You have to get your ass out of bed efore dawn. That has never been a problem for me. I had the habit long before I earned a cute little green, yellow, and red ribbon for my uniform. It has always stayed with me. My wife likes to stay in bed half the day. She does not drink alcohol, does not smoke anything, and works 55-60 hours a week. I could care less if she likes to stay in bed. At least I know where to find her. She's just turned 35. I am 58.

I have repeated the bizbuilding process four times already. I could sleep until noon, and still produce income from 23 (increase of 5 from last year) INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS whom I created jobs for. We all pay lots of taxes to help fund our president and his cronies, while they fuel the demise of our country... I feel as if my grandchildren have nothing to look forward to but enslavement to a new world order! I vote, have donated thousands to Republican campaigns, and worked hard to get what? I get grief from propagandists like you guys. Get a life, and worry about that mexican guy mowing the lawn next door.

Your dictatorial attitude is revealing. Get your own life in order before you lump everyone into a category. Isn't that the definition of bigotry. Maybe you could just call us by the 'N" word. You can't see the forest, guys.

I grew up in a military family, have lived among black, white, filipino, asian, and hispanic. I finished my education in the south, where people take you at your face, until you prove them wrong.

I have built houses for people on a handshake, and have delivered value in every transaction I ever undertook. I went bankrupt trying to satisfy an Indian guy who decided to take ambiguity in a printed contract, and used a slick lawyer take away my own lievlihood. I started over again, and have managed to do alright.

I am sick and tired of you bigots showing up on these threads. the cali girl, and the wannabepaulsen dude, you give conservative politics a really bad face!What can you say for your life, and why should I not smoke a little herb now and then? Because YOU don't like it?

(you can see spot run in the mist... like this morning!)


34 posted on 07/08/2006 7:56:16 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: muawiyah
They noted that heroin costs much more than MJ. Poverty protects druggies from hard drugs every single time

Wrong; many of them turn to crime ... which is when YOUR nanny-statism costs ME (in addition to the taxpayer money wasted on the war on drugs).

35 posted on 07/08/2006 8:09:00 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: muawiyah; rhombus; Izzy Dunne; muir_redwoods; Schweinhund; Caipirabob; ARepublicanForAllReasons; ...
I must be up entirely too early for the drug trade crowd.

Assuming by "drug trade crowd" you mean those who question the illegality of marijuana ... rhombus, Izzy Dunne, muir_redwoods, Schweinhund, Caipirabob, ARepublicanForAllReasons, coloradan, dawn53, hodaka, winston2, and Wolfie all posted before you this morning and expressed skepticism about this article.

Did you by any chance 'Irish up' your morning coffee before you logged on?

36 posted on 07/08/2006 8:16:28 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"I wonder what those numbers would be if "nicotine cigarettes" were substituted for "weed"."

And if they were nearly the same, then what?

37 posted on 07/08/2006 8:52:15 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: coloradan

Moreover, they could have gave the rats an option between continued
marijuana use and the heroine.


38 posted on 07/08/2006 8:55:23 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons; rhombus; winston2
"'Acid-flacid babies' anyone? How about those carcinogenic cyclamates? And the radon, oh the radon! Right now I am in the process of insulating my home from the devastating effects of acid rain..."

Did all of you post on the thread about the article that said marijuana doesn't cause cancer? The report in the article even concluded that those who smoke marijuana are actually less likely to get cancer than those who don't smoke at all!

Did you post and call that junk science also? Or did you agree with it?

39 posted on 07/08/2006 9:09:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Know your rights
"So any drug is a gateway to any other drug, including alcohol and tobacco."

Why would you conclude that? She only mentioned alcohol and tobacco.

So, do you concede that marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco are gateway drugs?

40 posted on 07/08/2006 9:20:50 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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