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Court Rules Against Sanitizing Films
AP ^ | Saturday July 8, 9:52 pm

Posted on 07/08/2006 9:24:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Sanitizing movies on DVD or VHS tape violates federal copyright laws, and several companies that scrub films must turn over their inventory to Hollywood studios, an appeals judge ruled.

Editing movies to delete objectionable language, sex and violence is an "illegitimate business" that hurts Hollywood studios and directors who own the movie rights, said U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch in a decision released Thursday in Denver.

"Their (studios and directors) objective ... is to stop the infringement because of its irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies," the judge wrote. "There is a public interest in providing such protection."

Matsch ordered the companies named in the suit, including CleanFlicks, Play It Clean Video and CleanFilms, to stop "producing, manufacturing, creating" and renting edited movies. The businesses also must turn over their inventory to the movie studios within five days of the ruling.

"We're disappointed," CleanFlicks chief executive Ray Lines said. "This is a typical case of David vs. Goliath, but in this case, Hollywood rewrote the ending. We're going to continue to fight."

CleanFlicks produces and distributes sanitized copies of Hollywood films on DVD by burning edited versions of movies onto blank discs. The scrubbed films are sold over the Internet and to video stores.

As many as 90 video stores nationwide -- about half of them in Utah -- purchase movies from CleanFlicks, Lines said. It's unclear how the ruling may effect those stores.

The controversy began in 1998 when the owners of Sunrise Family Video began deleting scenes from "Titanic" that showed a naked Kate Winselt.

The scrubbing caused an uproar in Hollywood, resulting in several lawsuits and countersuits.

Directors can feel vindicated by the ruling, said Michael Apted, president of the Director's Guild of America.

"Audiences can now be assured that the films they buy or rent are the vision of the filmmakers who made them and not the arbitrary choices of a third-party editor," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: busybodies; christianmedia; churchlady; cleanflicks; copyright; directorsguild; fairuse; film; hollywood; restrictchoices; richardmatsch; sanitize; secularselfrighteous; unelectedjudges; video
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To: killjoy

A free public showing of an altered, copyrighted work does infringe on the copyright without a profit. Personal use is not an infringement, IOW, you can view the altered copy all day in your home. You can show your friends at the office. But you can't play it on the big screen at the local play ground for the public to see.

Fine lines, yes, but profit is not the only infringement. Misrepresentation laws do kick in at a certain point.


261 posted on 07/09/2006 1:05:26 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Binghamton_native
You're still free to go into any movie rental store and get the unedited version.

Of course. You're not free to tell me what is considered clean or not.

262 posted on 07/09/2006 1:06:58 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Who is going to stop someone from murdering someone? Let's make murder legal so people don't break the law. It is the argument that proabortion groups make. Keep abortion legal so people don't get illegal back alley abortions.

Laws are in place to keep these things form happening. Laws keep honest people honest.

It is against the law no matter which way you look at it, and that is the bottom line.


263 posted on 07/09/2006 1:08:52 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Putting aside the copyright issue for a moment, you don't really find the artistic vision aspect of this debate compelling, do you? (Which is what the Hollywood libs are screaming about.) I think in that respect it is entirely hypocritical for Hollywood to whine about this. As I said in a previous post, the Directors and those actually involved with the making of the film usually aren't the ones making the decisions related to TV airtime. It's people who have no interest in maintaining artistic vision or integrity who make those decisions, and the decisons are based on money.


264 posted on 07/09/2006 1:09:21 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I wasn't aware that anyone was telling you what was clean or not clean. How does the availability of this service for those who want it do that?


265 posted on 07/09/2006 1:10:19 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: JoeSixPack1
A free public showing of an altered, copyrighted work does infringe on the copyright without a profit. Personal use is not an infringement, IOW, you can view the altered copy all day in your home. You can show your friends at the office. But you can't play it on the big screen at the local play ground for the public to see.

Of course. Those are two seperate issues. You can't do that with an unaltered copy either... although in South-East Asia it is common to have movie nights where they show feature films for free at local temples and gathering places. I am sure the MPAA hasn't gone after them because they are not going to get much money suing poor farmers who can't afford to see the movie in the first place.

266 posted on 07/09/2006 1:10:24 AM PDT by killjoy (Dirka dirka mohammed jihad! Sherpa sherpa bakalah!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

No one is telling you what is considered clean or not.


267 posted on 07/09/2006 1:10:32 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: FreedomCalls
Now you are being weaselly. The entire point is that they are selling edited versions as heard on the radio. That one simple fact negates the whole "they aren't selling them" argument. They are selling them. And besides you are just wrong. They companies are the same. You can even purchase the CDs from the radio stations' web site.

That's a ridiculous line of argument and you know it. That is in no way comparable to this article. Those companies are not taking products, altering them without authorization and then selling them without authorization. "Purchase CDs from the radio stations' web site" - surely you weren't being serious when you said this. They were selling the product - not making it to sell! Not the same context at all as what the person you responded to had been saying. Come on.

268 posted on 07/09/2006 1:10:37 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: RadioAstronomer

What does it matter, as long as the original is still available and as long as the sanitized versions are marked thusly and paying royalties? Reader's Digest and classic literature are edited and I've never heard of any lawsuits concerning such.


269 posted on 07/09/2006 1:11:35 AM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FreedomCalls

Hicksville Community College ROFL....

The town I used to go to when Billy Joel and my pal Joey Licari used to have battle of the bands back in the 60's! :-)

Getting back to this again. Why do you think those versions you mention aren't for sale to the general public? Because the alterted versions were contracted from the copyright holder for specific viewing. Where we once again delve into copyright laws.

I have to ask, why do you keep coming up with diferent analogies of the same question?


270 posted on 07/09/2006 1:11:39 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: rcocean
Hollywodd laughs at the drug and immigration law.

OK, that is totally left field considering that people in Hollywood would go to jail just as fast as I would for selling drugs. They have also been mum on immigration, but I suppose you have someone on the inside?

The debated point here whether it is illegal or not. If by knowing the law makes me a "rube" so be it.

Better to know the truth then to be ignorant enough to argue the facts when you're blatantly wrong.

I just have to say this as well, for all the b****ing and complaining I hear about liberals tactics on this site, I hear the same tactics from so many people. The hypocrisy on this site is shocking and downright disappointing.
271 posted on 07/09/2006 1:13:24 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: NinoFan
Putting aside the copyright issue for a moment, you don't really find the artistic vision aspect of this debate compelling, do you? (Which is what the Hollywood libs are screaming about.) I think in that respect it is entirely hypocritical for Hollywood to whine about this. As I said in a previous post, the Directors and those actually involved with the making of the film usually aren't the ones making the decisions related to TV airtime. It's people who have no interest in maintaining artistic vision or integrity who make those decisions, and the decisons are based on money.

One of my biggests gripes is the "This film has been modified to fit your screen", and the overuse and abuse of the "pan and scan" during the film. All of my DVD's are widescreen, and since I have a widescreen TV, they fill the entire screen like a movie theater screen.

Films show on say TBS with the "This film has been modified to fit your screen" disclaimer most often appear stretched out sideways.

272 posted on 07/09/2006 1:13:41 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: JoeSixPack1

You once again respond to someone without justifying anything except to say, "That's the way it is." You have been asked, several times, by several posters, for the logical reasons behind an issue and everytime you either dodge the question or simply say, "Copyright law," neither of which answers the questions you've been posed.


273 posted on 07/09/2006 1:14:35 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Jotmo

OK then, my point was just made and I thank you.

Even if you sell the original DVD with a copied DVD, it is still violation of copyright laws.

You can scream all day and night "it ain't right!" but the law is the law.


274 posted on 07/09/2006 1:15:26 AM PDT by albyjimc2 (If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, cause freedom don't come free...)
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To: killjoy

I agree with all that, but what I was trying to point out was that the old "for profit" clauses have been re-written to include free public viewing for no-profit.


275 posted on 07/09/2006 1:16:12 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: NinoFan

What justification would satisfy you?


276 posted on 07/09/2006 1:16:57 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: albyjimc2

Right - because you are selling two copies of the same movie for the price of one. That's an obvious problem.


277 posted on 07/09/2006 1:17:09 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Binghamton_native
I wasn't aware that anyone was telling you what was clean or not clean. How does the availability of this service for those who want it do that?

For one thing the service this company provides is illegal, and has been since they started doing it in 1998. They knew what they were doing was illegal. All this time, they didn't even get permission from the movie studios.

278 posted on 07/09/2006 1:18:49 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: NinoFan
No one is telling you what is considered clean or not.

Right. Nor should they.

279 posted on 07/09/2006 1:19:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Read the copyright agreements on your DVD's, you can't do this without authorization from the copyright holders, plain and simple.

I have a VHS copy of Titanic. I don't see anything on the box forbidding me from editing the tape in any way I please.

280 posted on 07/09/2006 1:20:02 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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