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Court Rules Against Sanitizing Films
AP ^ | Saturday July 8, 9:52 pm

Posted on 07/08/2006 9:24:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Sanitizing movies on DVD or VHS tape violates federal copyright laws, and several companies that scrub films must turn over their inventory to Hollywood studios, an appeals judge ruled.

Editing movies to delete objectionable language, sex and violence is an "illegitimate business" that hurts Hollywood studios and directors who own the movie rights, said U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch in a decision released Thursday in Denver.

"Their (studios and directors) objective ... is to stop the infringement because of its irreparable injury to the creative artistic expression in the copyrighted movies," the judge wrote. "There is a public interest in providing such protection."

Matsch ordered the companies named in the suit, including CleanFlicks, Play It Clean Video and CleanFilms, to stop "producing, manufacturing, creating" and renting edited movies. The businesses also must turn over their inventory to the movie studios within five days of the ruling.

"We're disappointed," CleanFlicks chief executive Ray Lines said. "This is a typical case of David vs. Goliath, but in this case, Hollywood rewrote the ending. We're going to continue to fight."

CleanFlicks produces and distributes sanitized copies of Hollywood films on DVD by burning edited versions of movies onto blank discs. The scrubbed films are sold over the Internet and to video stores.

As many as 90 video stores nationwide -- about half of them in Utah -- purchase movies from CleanFlicks, Lines said. It's unclear how the ruling may effect those stores.

The controversy began in 1998 when the owners of Sunrise Family Video began deleting scenes from "Titanic" that showed a naked Kate Winselt.

The scrubbing caused an uproar in Hollywood, resulting in several lawsuits and countersuits.

Directors can feel vindicated by the ruling, said Michael Apted, president of the Director's Guild of America.

"Audiences can now be assured that the films they buy or rent are the vision of the filmmakers who made them and not the arbitrary choices of a third-party editor," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: busybodies; christianmedia; churchlady; cleanflicks; copyright; directorsguild; fairuse; film; hollywood; restrictchoices; richardmatsch; sanitize; secularselfrighteous; unelectedjudges; video
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To: Defiant

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I've gotten this far, and this is the clearest post yet on the subject. Bravo.


381 posted on 07/09/2006 3:45:29 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: NinoFan

They do not have a license to resell the items.

And they can't go by the "single movie" excuse when that is their whole business plan.


382 posted on 07/09/2006 3:45:41 AM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: jeremiah

You can do anything you want to short of profiting off of your altered unlicensed work.


383 posted on 07/09/2006 3:56:45 AM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: FreedomCalls

That doesn't matter. If The Detroit Free Press gets another company's permission to publish an article it owns, it doesn't mean that the Richmond Times-Dispatch can just go ahead and publish the same article. The Richmond paper has to get permission from the company that holds the copyright, just as the Detroit paper did. "Hey, these other people did it", is not a defense under copyright law.

In my job, I have to deal with copyright issues all the time, and it's amazing how little people understand about it - especially when they don't want to.


384 posted on 07/09/2006 3:58:15 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: OKIEDOC

Whether you have children or not does not change the substance of copyright law. An earlier poster said that "emotional" arguments are what conservatives accuse liberals of making, and there you are, making a purely emotional argument.


385 posted on 07/09/2006 4:01:34 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: skr

Reader's Digest has agreements with publishers to produce condensed books. (I haven't even seen them in years; do they still do it?)

Classic literature is out of copyright.

What matters is whether PERMISSION was given by the copyright holder or not. Permission was never given in this case.


386 posted on 07/09/2006 4:06:35 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Binghamton_native
With films available from these companies you are still free to get the unedited version from BlockBuster, et al.

It's not the consumer's rights being infringed, it's the owner's.

387 posted on 07/09/2006 4:06:54 AM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: albyjimc2

"I just have to say this as well, for all the b****ing and complaining I hear about liberals tactics on this site, I hear the same tactics from so many people. The hypocrisy on this site is shocking and downright disappointing."

I agree, but I'm sure the mindset is that if you're "protecting your family" then your aim is more noble, and thus above the law. (What's the html code for rolling my eyes?)


388 posted on 07/09/2006 4:08:26 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: OmahaFields
The movies on TV are sanitized all the time with the moviemaker's permission at the moviemaker's price.
389 posted on 07/09/2006 4:17:59 AM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: stands2reason
You do not need a lic from the Manufacturer to resell a product or a thousand that I know. Licensed resellers enjoy lower costs per item, The products may carry a manufacturers warranty, enjoy advertising support and all that but if you want to go out an buy a product at the best price you can find retail then turn around and sell it in
an undiscovered market or modify it to add value and sell it.
How is that in violation of anything?


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390 posted on 07/09/2006 4:26:18 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: TheDon
Movies on airlines and television are scrubbed in a similar fashion.

Hardly. The moviemakers edit the movies, and then distribute them to the airlines and TV broadcasters. They don't just allow their stuff to be edited any which way by every tom dick or harry who wants to make a buck but doesn't like the original.

391 posted on 07/09/2006 4:26:26 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: poindexters brother
The principle is this: the owner of an intellectual property has the right to determine how it is sold or used. No one else does, not even for a "higher" good. Even if CleanFlicks paid royalties for the movie, what they have done is the legal equivalent of stealing someone's car, painting it, and having a new stereo put in. It's still stolen property.

When you buy a movie, you don't buy the copyright to that movie. You buy rights to see the movie. You can't show that movie for profit in front of others.

You can't paint your neighbor's house because you don't like the decor.

What CleanFlicks did was steal someone's property and change it. The moral issues are important but not relevant to this issue.
392 posted on 07/09/2006 4:41:23 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: Jotmo
"So I guess that means I'm breaking the law now when I use that "mute" button on the remote to "edit" out words I don't want my kids to hear?"

No. What you do with the movie in your own domicile is your own business. You can't alter the movie and sell it to someone else. The Founding Fathers believed in protecting patents and copyrights; we should too.

393 posted on 07/09/2006 4:45:29 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: JCEccles; RadioAstronomer
I think what Radio Astronomer meant when he said it is an "arbitrary decision" was that it is a decision he would not agree with.

No, what he meant when he said it is an "arbitrary decision" is that it depends on the whims of whoever's doing the editing.

394 posted on 07/09/2006 4:50:15 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: stands2reason

>>>>aichmophobia

I will remember that for the next article posting about banning knifes!

Thank you :)


395 posted on 07/09/2006 5:06:11 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: GAB-1955

That is the crux of the issue. Are you actually buying property like a DVD or a license? Copyright violation is not as cut and dried as it used to be, since there is a tax on media like tapes and DVDs paid to content providers to account for piracy.

Since the content providers make similar changes for others, artistic merit is not an issue. Copyright is. It is not the same as a physical theft no matter how much lawyers try to assert it.

As a quick exercise in monopoly and price fixing, compare the price of a music CD, and a movie. Then compare cost to make them. The industry itself fuels piracy.

DK


396 posted on 07/09/2006 5:08:13 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: albyjimc2
Oh my feelings aren't hurt. I've been chuckling.
397 posted on 07/09/2006 6:57:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: BenLurkin
So does that mean Reader's Digest can no longer cut the lenghts of books? Are the networks forbidden from editing content for broadcast or cutting the length of movies to fit allotted time? Do these have to be spelled out in contracts now.

Another stupid decision by the courts.

398 posted on 07/09/2006 7:00:22 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: RadioAstronomer
What if all references to "speeding cars" (since cars kill) are erased?

Why would that bother you? If someone wants the original content it's not like they are being prevented from getting it.

399 posted on 07/09/2006 7:03:48 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Strategerist
You know, the funny thing is, I suspect a whole lot of people who are objecting to CleanFilms wouldn't object to what you describe. They might even get a government grant.

Anyway, cutting scenes is a lot different than adding them. It's done in theater quite a bit. You often don't get the full Shakespeare.

400 posted on 07/09/2006 7:07:43 AM PDT by Tribune7
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