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Teaching the Second Amendment
SierraTimes.com ^ | July 13, 2006 | Jennifer Freeman

Posted on 07/13/2006 12:51:11 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: tacticalogic; tpaine; Roscoe
Yeah... sorry. That was my fault. I hit the button as I though Mojave/Roscoe still had two accounts. The Admin Mods were kind enough to inform me that said troll/user has had the Roscoe account pulled.

Roscoe, Mojave, same troll...

181 posted on 07/23/2006 9:33:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
Curious though... Just went and checked Roscoe's account.

Still active.

182 posted on 07/23/2006 9:35:56 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
Hatred of your collectivst socialism

The United States will outlive your meaningless life and impotent hatred of its Constitution.

183 posted on 07/24/2006 1:45:56 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: tpaine
"Crickets on #112, paulsen"

You had a question?

184 posted on 07/24/2006 4:39:24 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Jonah Hex
The Bill of Rights is not a prioritization list i.e. one right is more important than another. The Second Amendment is equal in importance to the First Amendment is equal in importance to the Fifth Amendment, etc.

They are not listed in order of importance, and all are important.

But the most important Amendment is the one that has taken the biggest beating to the point where it almost doesn't exist. I refer, of course, to the 10th Amendment.

185 posted on 07/24/2006 4:43:58 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: Myrddin
I picked up the menu and asked if that should be a living document?

Great idea! Should the cook "interpret" the meaning of "ham and eggs?"

Mark

186 posted on 07/24/2006 5:11:27 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: robertpaulsen


Sure, I was wondering why you scuttled off again after all of yours were answered. You giving it up?




Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664835/replies?c=112


Are you admitting that:

THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT

Address:http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm


187 posted on 07/24/2006 5:56:33 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Mojave
Contrary to your idiot mouthbreathings, the Constitution is not a collectivist document.

Go peddle your commie trash elsewhere troll.

188 posted on 07/24/2006 6:37:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: freedumb2003
I'd estimate it's tied evenly with the 9th Amendment, but I agree.

That, and at some point, I'd like Art 6 para 2 re-read to Congress in such a way that they come to understand it. Maybe if we explained it to them as one would with a child of 6. Complete with warnings of spankings or other dire consequences for ignoring it.

189 posted on 07/24/2006 6:40:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: tpaine
"Are you admitting that: THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT"

The Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General, under the Bush administration, put out a memo saying they believed the second amendment secures an individual right.

So?

Some future Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General, under some liberal President can put out a memo saying it doesn't. The Attorney General enforces the law -- he doesn't make it or interpret it.

190 posted on 07/24/2006 6:41:47 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
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No. There wasn't anything to "belief" about it. The document clearly states that a review of history, original intent, and linguistic structure, all support the view that it protects an individual Right.

Of course, if you'd actually read it, you'd know that.

What would keep a future administration from coming up with their own documentation to the contrary would be the history, original intent, and linguistic structure of the Second Amendment and the supporting documentation.

191 posted on 07/24/2006 6:46:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: robertpaulsen
put out a memo saying they believed the second amendment secures an individual right.

No. There wasn't anything to "belief" about it. The document clearly states that a review of history, original intent, and linguistic structure, all support the view that it protects an individual Right.

Of course, if you'd actually read it, you'd know that.

What would keep a future adminstration from coming up with their own documentation to the contrary would be the history, original intent, and liguisticu structure of the Second Amendment and the supporting documentation.

192 posted on 07/24/2006 6:47:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
"What would keep a future administration from coming up with their own documentation to the contrary would be the history, original intent, and linguistic structure of the Second Amendment and the supporting documentation."

All they'd have to do is simply copy the text from Judge Reinhardt's 70-page opinion in Silveira v. Lockyer.

193 posted on 07/24/2006 7:07:27 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Are you admitting that: "THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT"?

So?
Some future Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General, under some liberal President can put out a memo saying it doesn't. The Attorney General enforces the law -- he doesn't make it or interpret it.
You ARE aware that some future liberal Presidency can have their Justice Department write their own interpretation. What then, tpaine?

Then bobbie, - depending on how you people ~act~ upon your "interpretations", it may be time [as Claire Wolfe put it] to straighten you collectivists out.

You're saying that you believe the Executive Branch of the federal government when they tell you what your rights are when it comes to arms?

Don't hype me bob. -- The facts noted in that report are valid, regardless of who 'tells' them.

You simply can not refute those facts, can you?

Two bits you ignore those facts, and run away from the issue again.
-- What ever happened to your big boast a few weeks ago to 'settle this once and for all'?

194 posted on 07/24/2006 7:41:27 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
All they'd have to do is simply copy the text from Judge Reinhardt's 70-page opinion in Silveira v. Lockyer.

Which, according to the DoJ's own research was incorrectly decided.

Nice try.

195 posted on 07/24/2006 8:20:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Which, according to the DoJ's own research was incorrectly decided."

So the DOJ overturned the 9th Circuit?

196 posted on 07/24/2006 8:48:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: xzins
That's absolutely right. The meaning of the ammendment can be clearly understood if the emotional connotations are removed from the ammendment, and it presented as follows:

A well educated electorate, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.
Then ask the following questions:


197 posted on 07/24/2006 9:12:11 AM PDT by raygun
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To: robertpaulsen
Constitution does that. Art 6. Para 2.

Please don't make me tell you again. You know the counter arguments as well as your own biased Brady Bunch nonsense.

198 posted on 07/24/2006 10:08:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Constitution does that. Art 6. Para 2."

Hmmmmm. I seem to recall that decision of the 9th Circuit held.

But even if the second amendment protected an individual RKBA, it would still only apply to federal laws. Silveira v. Lockyer concerned a California law, not a federal one. The decision would stand.

Unless you don't believe in the concept of federalism.

199 posted on 07/24/2006 11:06:08 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
How can a California law over ride the US Constitution? Didn't California apply for entry into the Union? As such, aren't they subject to the Art 6, para 2, 2nd, 9th, 10th, and 14th Amendments? "Shall not be infringed" means by anyone at any level of government.

Or are you still pushing the same old BS that States aren't subject to Constitutional restrictions and could bring back slavery if the legislature voted to?

What you are pushing isn't Federalism. It's the old Confederation standard that proved unworkable as some States decided it would be fun to restrict the "unalienable Rights of Man" from certain classes of citizen.

200 posted on 07/24/2006 11:17:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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