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I wonder if they ignored the recovery of used cooking oil as biodiesel in this study?

Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel and ethanol biofuels

Negative environmental consequences of fossil fuels and concerns about petroleum supplies have spurred the search for renewable transportation biofuels. To be a viable alternative, a biofuel should provide a net energy gain, have environmental benefits, be economically competitive, and be producible in large quantities without reducing food supplies. We use these criteria to evaluate, through life-cycle accounting, ethanol from corn grain and biodiesel from soybeans. Ethanol yields 25% more energy than the energy invested in its production, whereas biodiesel yields 93% more. Compared with ethanol, biodiesel releases just 1.0%, 8.3%, and 13% of the agricultural nitrogen, phosphorus, and pesticide pollutants, respectively, per net energy gain. Relative to the fossil fuels they displace, greenhouse gas emissions are reduced 12% by the production and combustion of ethanol and 41% by biodiesel. Biodiesel also releases less air pollutants per net energy gain than ethanol. These advantages of biodiesel over ethanol come from lower agricultural inputs and more efficient conversion of feedstocks to fuel. Neither biofuel can replace much petroleum without impacting food supplies. Even dedicating all U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would meet only 12% of gasoline demand and 6% of diesel demand. Until recent increases in petroleum prices, high production costs made biofuels unprofitable without subsidies. Biodiesel provides sufficient environmental advantages to merit subsidy. Transportation biofuels such as synfuel hydrocarbons or cellulosic ethanol, if produced from low-input biomass grown on agriculturally marginal land or from waste biomass, could provide much greater supplies and environmental benefits than food-based biofuels.

1 posted on 07/13/2006 11:33:49 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
These studies also assume that all farm equipment will always run off of petroleum based fuels. But many farmers like to buy their own product and run it in their farm equipment. Now if we can just get the ethanol plants to burn ethanol for heating their mash we'll have a much greener system. Although I'd rather see the mash heated with the excess heat produced at a nuclear plant.
2 posted on 07/14/2006 12:12:10 AM PDT by ME-262 (The Democrat party is slowly being reduced by abortion AIDS and imprisonment...and soon deportation!)
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To: neverdem

What's this "more deserving of subsidies" crap? If it's a viable product, people should be lining up around the block to invest.

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3 posted on 07/14/2006 12:23:52 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Has the New York Times ever thwarted a top secret AL-QAEDA operation?)
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To: neverdem; ME-262
Ethanol yields 25% more energy than the energy invested in its production,

I have read elsewhere that Ethanol requires 30% More energy to produce than it yields when burned.

This includes farm production (including fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides), distillation and transportation.

4 posted on 07/14/2006 12:43:27 AM PDT by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: neverdem

My daughter is one of many individuals strongly allergic to anything that has any soy in it. It paralyzes her respiratory system as well as interferes with brain functioning. What on earth will the fumes do for people like her?


5 posted on 07/14/2006 12:43:44 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: neverdem

If it were only possible to harness the energy, it would be found that Navy beans produce the most usable energy of anything on planet earth.


6 posted on 07/14/2006 12:54:39 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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7 posted on 07/14/2006 1:22:35 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
A lot of the bio diesel plants are going to us fat and cooking oils also, along with soybeans. The thing is we have a lot more soy oil laying around that is ready to be refined. It will take some time to get the infrastructure to collect all the side streams of grease.

Long term though, bio diesel is a better deal.
13 posted on 07/14/2006 5:23:42 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem; Dog Gone

A debate??? Sounds like a two pronged exercise in futility to me!!!


25 posted on 07/14/2006 10:40:13 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: neverdem
I wonder if they ignored the recovery of used cooking oil as biodiesel in this study?

I think that even if you recovered every bit of cooking oil, it probably is statistically insignifigant. Even a busy place probably won't generate more than 15-20 gallons a day. After it's processed, it's even less.

I'm not saying don't use it, definately do, but it probably doesn't amount to much.

38 posted on 07/14/2006 5:06:24 PM PDT by Malsua
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