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OU death not linked to terrorism
http://www.newsok.com/article/2773138 ^ | Sun July 16, 2006 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 07/16/2006 9:04:08 AM PDT by MizSterious

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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for the ping on this.

"Hernandez must have done a good enough job covering this up because he's being rewarded a position in Washington -- makes you feel all warm and safe doesn't it?"

Unbelievable.


81 posted on 07/16/2006 11:47:05 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Moonman62; All
Actually, your post reminds me there is a bit of "new" news in this article, unless I just missed it before. At my old blog I have an entry regarding the EBay transaction. Of course, my speculation is out of date given the new information, but here is a link to that blog entry:

Did Hinrichs attract attention of authorities over a year ago? @ On Politics & Other Random Thoughts

An intrepid FReeper by the moniker of Ray66 started going through the minutes of the Triangle Fraternity on 10/02. He found a few comments attributed to "Br. Hinrichs" and reproduced them on FreeRepublic.com for our review.

One in particular stands out. In the comments Hinrichs refers to "missing ammo" from an EBay transaction...

Here are the notes;
Triangle Fraternity
Meeting Minutes for 04-11-04
(Meeting #12)

Br. Hinrichs
-Contiuing saga of missing ammo, guy on ebay told me he had my dorm address, didn't register that address with ebay, told me it shipped two days after it did
-Computer is recovering
Read more...

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More is available at the link above including a .zip file of the notes.
82 posted on 07/16/2006 12:01:57 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- NEW URL for my blog...)
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To: sully777

chuckle.Nothing to see here ! Move on ! Move on !


83 posted on 07/16/2006 12:05:47 PM PDT by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Exactly... If they want to throw around numbers let's talk about the 80,000 potential victims at the game...


84 posted on 07/16/2006 12:06:32 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- NEW URL for my blog...)
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To: MizSterious
"We don't consider this terrorism the way we define it,"

Caca.

Just a plain ol' vanilla loser that makes a bomb and wanders around outside the stadium, looking for a place to detonate.

Yep. Happens all of the time. /s

85 posted on 07/16/2006 12:16:40 PM PDT by csvset ("It was like the hand of G_d slapping down and smashing everything." ~ JDAM strikes Taliban)
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To: ncountylee
What does the government hope to gain by these wild claims?

A large number of "officials", primarily at Foggy Bottom, can count on Saudi Arabia to buy their memoirs...

By the tractor trailer full.

86 posted on 07/16/2006 12:18:05 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: MizSterious

Nothing to worry about folks. College kids just blow up all the time.


87 posted on 07/16/2006 12:18:43 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: All
"We have no evidence he had a social or political agenda that he was trying to bring attention to,"

Translation: they deleted/destroyed it all.

88 posted on 07/16/2006 12:20:47 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And,don't forget the airliner that fell out of the sky over Rockaway, NY during Christmas holiday 2001.


89 posted on 07/16/2006 12:25:19 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Marius3188
It's another good point. Here's my take on it. Even though Reagan was a strong free trade person, I think he saw himself as an American first, and a world leader second. Clinton, Bush I, Bush II to a lesser extent, and of course, Gore and Kerry, see themselves as world leaders first, and Americans second.

They meet with foreign leaders, and find they have more in common with them than they do their own countrymen. Maintaining power, diplomatic issues, opposition parties, making decisions that affect millions of people, and the frequent feeling of isolation that comes with being the leader, and having no equal with which to discuss things. In Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, and a few other countries, these men see themselves as parents of rather unruly children who need to be controlled because they don't see the big picture.

They fear the concept of their people becoming uncontrollable more than they fear foreign invasion. They desperately want the world to be divided up into trade regions, and they see the biggest problem as being the racism of the uneducated masses. So, they downplay ethnic violence.

Islam, OTOH, watches us far more closely than we watch them. Their battle ability is practically nonexistent; their military tactics suck, and they can't manufacture anything more complex than a rug.

A friend of mine used to negotiate oil contracts. He said that they were the worst people in the world to negotiate with. He said they'd spend months negotiating, everything was set up, and right before the signing ceremony they would declare some insult to their honor, stomp out of the negotiations, and demand more concessions. The oil companies would make concessions, provide more patronage jobs, and the negotiations would begin again.

He said the important things to remember about negotiating with Islamists is that they're always lying, and that there will always be at least three "insults to their honor" during the negotiations.

They use almost perfect tactics in dealing with the post modernist, because the post modernist enters the situation walking on eggshells. They fear offending people (note, they only fear offending the "right" people, which are people who are either liberal or ethnically different from themselves) so much that they will concede everything prior to beginning negotiations in order to achieve a dialog and mutual understanding. Post modernist thinking actually goes all the way back to Paul Gauguin and his concept of the "noble savage" and, of course, to Nietzsche and his moral relativism (with roots further back). Current post modernists make the mistake of assuming that all other people are largely like them and think as they do, or, at least would, if they were only educated enough. They cannot accept the fact that the Islamist means it when he says he has no desire to live in peace as long as people who believe differently from him are alive. They cannot accept it because they cannot face the awful choices this puts in front of them. Noam Chomsky, for example, who has apparently never faced any danger more imminent than choking on an after dinner mint, feels qualified to critique the US as a totalitarian regime and defend Islamists, about 90% of whom would kill him on sight, simply because he is a Jew (secular Jew, not to be confused with religious). From the confines of his ivory tower, he insults the people who keep him safe, and defends the people who want to kill him, because it's all theoretical to him. In all actuality, to many of the Chomskies of the world, the selection of a side carries no more importance than the selection of who you root for in a football game, because they don't actually believe that people they have no desire to kill want to kill them. As a side note, I notice that Chomsky while deploring the US, has no fear that George Bush or the US government will take any actual action against him. He would not be so bold as to criticize Castro while living in Cuba, or openly proclaim there is no God while living in Iran.

The higher up the ladder they get, the more insulated they become. If MIT received the same level of bombing that Israeli cities receive, the ideology would change quickly. As it is, to the leaders and the academics, it's all theoretical. Except for the leaders of Israel and the leaders of much of Islam.

90 posted on 07/16/2006 12:36:17 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: LibertyRocks; PhiKapMom

Looks like the Clintoon holdovers in the FBI still control investigations in Norman and the OK City area.


91 posted on 07/16/2006 1:16:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave
And yet, terrorists and their supporters walk free in this country--see Two men plead guilty to cigarette racketeering enterprise that funded Hezbollah. Given the week's events, we should be very concerned about any Hezbollah groups within our borders, but apparently, we're only mildly bothered by it.
92 posted on 07/16/2006 2:25:46 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom

I agree. And the fact that this guy is now going to be in Washington, doesn't sit too well with me either. Let's ignore Hinrichs for a second. There is so much evidence out there (even without an OU connection) that points to an extremist group existing in this part of the country that it's really worrisome that our FBI and such has not done anything about it... I can only hope that it is because they have infiltrated and are watching them, and making larger busts as a result. I'm not going to hold my breath in regards to ever hearing about it though.


93 posted on 07/16/2006 2:26:06 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com -- NEW URL for my blog...)
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To: Moonman62

Maybe it's all just coincidence, but I seem to recall promotions for many law enforcement officials who presided over fiascos, from Ruby Ridge to Waco to the Murrah bombing to...well, it's a lot.


94 posted on 07/16/2006 4:03:04 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for the ping...been out for a few days and just trying to get somewhat caught up....I'll read more later, but for now this doesn't surprise me, it disappoints to put it mildly but does not surprise me.


95 posted on 07/16/2006 5:14:25 PM PDT by FlashBack (W)
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To: MediaMole
Apparently to be terrorism as defined by the FBI the perp must...

...be a white male conservative Christian.

96 posted on 07/16/2006 5:18:03 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: Alouette

I should have added that as the other option.


97 posted on 07/16/2006 5:53:55 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Richard Kimball

Post #90 hits the nail square on the head. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


98 posted on 07/16/2006 6:45:54 PM PDT by macrahanish #1
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To: MizSterious
"We don't consider this terrorism the way we define it," he said.

What a bunch of BS. Little attention was paid to the fact that this kid wore a green vest (a-la palestine) everywhere he went. This was a sorry attempt at terrorism by a nerdy, brain-washed, American loser.

99 posted on 07/16/2006 6:57:46 PM PDT by Washi
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To: macrahanish #1

Thanks for the response. I often wonder if anyone reads my ramblings, especially the longer ones that tie philosophy and art to geopolitics.


100 posted on 07/16/2006 7:33:18 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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