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Independent Working Group Report on Missile Defense, Space Relationship, & the 21st Century
Independent Foreign Policy Association ^ | July 18, 2006 | IWG

Posted on 07/19/2006 12:11:16 PM PDT by Paul Ross

[An 8 megabyte PDF download at the link.]

Summary Overview

This report provides an assessment of missile defense requirements beyond the limited ground-based system currently being deployed, together with opportunities to benefit from existing and new technological opportunities. More specifically, it is intended to provide a greater understanding of proven technology options that should form the basis for deployment of an innovative missile defense that draws upon the legacy of technologies developed during the Strategic Defense Initiative program of the Reagan administration and the first Bush administration.

The Report provides the necessary vision to exploit existing and future technologies, with space as an indispensable part of missile defense. These technologies/systems, encompassing sea- and space-based assets (such as Brilliant Pebbles), could form the basis for an effective layered defense of the United States, its forward deployed forces, and allies, against a missile threat that, given present proliferation trends, can only increase in the years ahead as additional states, and perhaps terrorist groups, acquire weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles.

The report's seven sections address the threat; requirements/timelines for missile defense R&D and deployment; the role of space; the historic and present politics against missile defense; international dimensions; and the U.S. science and technology base; and conclusions, recommendations, and several appendices. It was written by the Independent Working Group whose members include missile defense experts from the scientific, technical, and national security policy communities. The report will be distributed throughout the executive branch, on Capitol Hill, and in the broader public policy community, and is also available here for download.

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COMMENT: Extensive in scope and blunt in conclusions about the Administration's failings to either test or deploy seriously, and allowing the most effective, least-cost options to be waylaid by internal service rivalries or NMD political opposition.

Excellent capsule summary of the gritty points can be found for subscribers here at Insight Magazine: Bush-43 kills Bush-41's missile defense programs


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Japan; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia; Technical; Unclassified; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aegis; aktv; bmdio; bush; defense; mda; missiledefense; nmd; pentagon; sdi; sdio; security
One interesting summary segment from the IWG's 2006 Report therein:

I. What are the implications of the key issues raised in the Cornerstone Paper for missile defense, and specifically for space-based missile defense, as we look beyond 2005?

Given the missile threats currently facing the United States, the Ground-based Missile Defense (GMD) system being de ployed represents only the first step required for a robust,global layered defense, capable of intercepting ballistic missiles in each phase of their trajectory. By itself, however, GMD is a limited midcourse defense that will be effective against only a few missiles with simple decoys.

Because GMD cannot adequately discriminate among mid- course threats, it may be prone to failure unless it becomes part of a layered missile defense. The United States must be prepared to deploy a missile defense sufficiently advanced that rogue states will be dissuaded from making the necessary investment in missiles. At the same time, the United States should also deploy a missile defense capable of deterring strategic competitors such as China or Russia.

More than a decade ago, the United States had vig orous space-based sensor and interceptor development programs underway such as Brilliant Pebbles which were terminated because they did not conform with the restrictions of the ABM Treaty. These technologies should be revived and incorporated, along with advances made since then, into a high-priority development program that not only draws on the lessons learned from Brilliant Pebbles program but also from other successful weapon development efforts such as those that produced intercontinental ballistic missiles, the Polaris nuclear submarine and missile, and stealth technologies.

The threat environment for missile defense includes the possibility that missiles could be launched against the United States from anywhere on the globe. We are increasingly vulnerable to both short- and long-range missiles from rogue states and non-state actors, as well as from strategic competitors such as Russia and China. Because we cannot know with certainty where or when a missile will be launched against the United States, our missile defense must be capable of handling a broad spectrum of threats. In short, the United States needs to deploy a global,multi-tiered missile defense system against an increasingly worldwide missile threat.

II. What are the implications of the key issues raised in the Cornerstone Paper for overall U.S. national security?

The United States faces a global security setting characterized by accelerating proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the means to deliver them. New actors are acquiring technologies ranging from individual components to complete systems resulting in such capabilities. Although Russia does not today pose a missile threat to the United States, despite its continuing possession of large numbers of delivery systems with sufficient range to reach American targets, it possesses technologies, including ballistic missile components and expertise, that are being actively proliferated. Furthermore, we have no assurance that a future Russian leadership will not threaten the United States with its extensive nuclear-armed missile inventory.Indeed,under President Vladimir V. Putin, Russia appears increasingly committed to the reestablishment of a neo-imperialist sphere of influence in the new states to its south and west. Putin has spoken of rebuilding a “Great Russia.” Russia has also demonstrated a sustained and alarming drift toward authoritarianism. A U.S. missile defense must therefore be sufficient to counter a future threat from Russia.

China, meanwhile, is expanding both its ballistic missile capabilities and its space presence. China has benefited considerably from U.S. technology, including missiles, and now has an inventory of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) capable of striking the United States. This capability is being improved by replacing China ’s existing arsenal of CSS-4 “Mod 1 ” ICBMs with the longer-range CSS-4 “Mod 2,” together with the development of mobile and submarine-launched variants of the Dong-feng (DF)-31 ICBM. Estimates suggest that its arsenal could grow to as many as sixty ICBMs by the end of the decade. China seems determined to build a nuclear force designed to inhibit U.S. action in the event of a renewed crisis such as in the Taiwan Strait.At the same time,China is deploying between 650 and 730 short-range ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan,with roughly one hundred such missiles expected to be added each year. These missiles could also be used to conduct strikes against Okinawa and Japan, including U.S. forces stationed there.

China also possesses an active space program designed to make it a military space power.With the launch in October of its first manned spacecraft, China became the third nation, after the United States and Russia, to send a manned vehicle into space. A second successful manned mission was completed in October 2005. China ’s space program is designed to demonstrate Beijing ’s achievements and potential in such areas as computers,space materials, manufacturing technology, and electronics, technologies with dual-use military and civilian space applications, as well as to challenge U.S. dominance in space.

At the same time, the United States faces threats from other states that are either the exporters of WMD technologies or the breeding rounds and training sites for terrorists. One such nation is North Korea, which launched . In addition to missiles, North Korea now is able to export fissile material or even assembled nuclear devices, posing an additional and unacceptable threat to the United States. A nuclear-armed North Korea would also weaken deterrence in and around the Korean peninsula.

Moreover, many states, as well as terrorist groups, could launch short-range missiles from ships off American coasts. We currently have no missile defense capable of destroying such missiles. The devastation caused by short-range missiles such as Scuds armed with a nuclear warhead would be far greater than the 9/11 attacks. A comprehensive approach to homeland security, in which missile defense and efforts to identify, destroy, or change such regimes are priorities, is therefore needed.

III. What steps need to be taken in light of these issues to achieve space-based missile defense, both immediate and longer-term?

During the Cold War, it was clearly possible to identify the Soviet Union as the source of a potential nuclear attack against the United States and the object of retaliation on which Mutual Assured Destruction was based. The twenty-first century strategic environment differs fundamentally: missile threats to the United States can now be mounted from almost any point on the globe.

Given the nature of this missile threat, only a global missile defense is adequate. Moreover, such a defense cannot be achieved without a space-based interception component. In the near term, kinetic energy space-based intercept technologies developed more than a decade ago in the Brilliant Pebbles program could be revived at minimal cost (approximately $5-7 billion over a five-year period).. A research program in directed-energy weapons based on technologies already developed for applications in space and on aircraft should also be pursued.

While less flexible than space-based defenses, sea-based anti-missile options should be vigorously developed and deployed. This includes upgrades to the U.S. Navy ’s Aegis system and Standard Missile to provide increasingly effective intercept capabilities. Both sea- and space-based missile defenses are essential to a global layered missile defense.

IV. What are the key obstacles to space-based missile de- fense and how can they best be addressed and overcome?

While in effect, the ABM Treaty served as a critical impediment to U.S. deployment of space-based missile defense.

With the Treaty ’s termination in 2002, new opportunities for space-based missile defense have emerged. However, the key obstacles to space defenses remain more political than technological in nature.For example,certain constituencies continue to voice vehement opposition to space-based missile defenses in the mistaken belief that they could result in the weaponization of space. This assumption is the result of the dubious logic that if the United States refrains from the deployment of space-based missile defense, other nations will behave in similar fashion. There is no empirical basis for expecting such international reciprocation, however. Whatever the United States chooses to do (or not to do),China,among other nations,seems determined to pursue space programs and, at least in the case of Beijing, to establish itself as a space superpower.

Another issue is the failure to connect the emerging global missile threat to an adequate understanding of the requirements for an effective defense against such threats. This means that confining a U.S. missile defense to a few fixed land-based interceptors, together with an extremely small sea-based and land-based interceptor force provides extremely limited coverage without any global capability that would result from deployment of a space-based missile defense component.

Other political obstacles exist. Should U.S. public awareness of the threat environment increase the Bush administration could potentially come under criticism for having underestimated (or ignored) the growing threat. That same public will want to know why so little has been accomplished to date.

Closely related are institutional barriers in which departments and agencies responsible for missile defense are understandably reluctant to see their efforts questioned or their roles changed. Furthermore, defense contractors often have strong financial interests in maintaining existing programs.

Last but not least, China and Russia have adopted strategies designed to prevent or discourage the United States from pursuing space-based missile defense options. Both nations seek to undermine the position of the United States as the dominant space power and to keep it from developing space-based missile defense and other space capabilities.

V. Are there opportunities that can be seized to press forward with space-based missile defense?<.u>

Despite the political obstacles,there is a desire within the general American public to maintain space superiority,including the deployment of space-based missile defense. If the United States is perceived as no longer dominant in space, many people will want to know how and why such dominance was lost and what needs to be done to restore it.

By the same token, there is a broad, but mistaken, belief that the United States is already defended by missile defense (which underscores the public ’s support for missile defenses).

Moreover, as noted above, China ’s increasingly prolific space program could offer another catalyst to building an American consensus on missile defense. The fact that other nations are manifestly interested in space and pursuing their own programs provides yet another important consideration for pressing forward with a robust U.S. missile defense program that prominently includes space.

Last but not least, the Bush administration has yet to de- fine clearly its missile defense plans post-GMD deployment.

Therefore, we have an important opportunity to shape the future and in doing so, to set forth the need for a global layered missile defense system that encompasses a space-interdicton component.

VI. What are the implications of key issues raised in Panel I for other panels?

The Cornerstone Paper raises a number of important issues including the global nature of the missile threat, the need for a correspondingly global defense and the role of space in that architecture,and existing obstacles and opportunities to the development and deployment of a layered global missile defense. Creating a robust,flexible,and expandable missile defense will have important implications for the U.S. scientific-technological base, including required investments, lead times, and ensuring that a cadre of trained personnel remain available. Such issues will need to be addressed as the United States moves forward with missile defense. They are discussed in greater detail in subsequent Sections of this report.


1 posted on 07/19/2006 12:11:22 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Alamo-Girl; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; doug from upland; kattracks; ...
"Should U.S. public awareness of the threat environment increase the Bush administration could potentially come under criticism for having underestimated (or ignored) the growing threat. That same public will want to know why so little has been accomplished to date."

Like I have been saying!

2 posted on 07/19/2006 12:18:49 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: RushingWater; AKSurprise; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Marine_Uncle; Dog; ...
"That same public will want to know why so little has been accomplished to date."

Unless of course they are RATs...we will never see this sentiment expressed for the evening news...


3 posted on 07/19/2006 1:37:03 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross
Thank you, how timely:

Where are ‘Star Wars’ critics now?

4 posted on 07/19/2006 1:47:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: AKSurprise

fyi


5 posted on 07/19/2006 1:49:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thank you, how timely:

You're welcome!

I sure wish we could get the graphics illustrations from the IFPA in html format. They are just awesome...

6 posted on 07/19/2006 2:10:47 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross
Thanks for the ping. The needs for a complete SDI system continue to bark at the heels of those that resists. I would not spend another dime on manned flights within our solar system until a complete shield was developed. Of course NASA would scream it's butt off if the Airforce suddenly came back into vogue as the premier supplier of space systems. And with dwindling funds for any space programs, lets face it, minority moms and kids need big bucks to p*ss away on cell phones and the like, and a economy that could go flat as things develop in various circles, it is going to be a hard sell.
Surely we need leadership that will look very carefully at the need for SDI and associated ground/sea based system integration, and realize, if we don't start to advance along the "just right path", it will not see the light of day for a very long time if at all. The Russians and Chinese are not going to stand still in developing new ICBM systems that is for sure. And we no longer have a jump from the technological stand point. Everyone has good chemist,physicists,engineers,software system designers etc.. No one has a clear advantage anymore.
7 posted on 07/19/2006 2:14:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle; sandyeggo; William McKinley; Pentagon Leatherneck; aruanan; GOP_1900AD; chimera; ...
Thanks for the ping. The needs for a complete SDI system continue to bark at the heels of those that resists.

You're welcome, and thanks for your echoing this insight:

Surely we need leadership that will look very carefully at the need for SDI and associated ground/sea based system integration, and realize, if we don't start to advance along the "just right path", it will not see the light of day for a very long time if at all.

Totally agreed.

Its mortifying to me, and simply awful that the current Administration thought they could have their political cake and eat it too...that they could just posture as pro-NMD Reaganites...but then deploy only like Democrats! Not actually standing up for what they claim to stand for. Limited NMD is no NMD. Getting general votes from the electorate for the principle of NMD, but then garnering RAT support for governance by not seriously and consistently implementing that principle.

Eveyone is simply flummoxed by this White House refusal to actually deploy. It admits the threats, but won't respond. It is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled absent a conclusion of outright political chicanery...that they really never believed in it...

FReeper Sandyeggo pointed to something Whittaker Chambers once said that resonates across a wide number of issues about this White House...but especially to me on this issue:

But if the Republican Party cannot get some grip of the actual world we live in and from it generalize and actively promote a program that means something to the masses of people-why somebody else will. Then there will be nothing to argue. The voters will simply vote Republicans into singularity. The Republican Party will become like one of those dark little shops which apparently never sell anything. If, for any reason, you go in, you find at the back an old man, fingering for his own pleasure some oddments of cloth. Nobody wants to buy them, which is fine because the old man is not really interested in selling. He just likes to hold and to feel. . . .

8 posted on 07/19/2006 2:34:11 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Marine_Uncle; KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; ...
I'm also afraid Unc you're right about this:

The Russians and Chinese are not going to stand still in developing new ICBm systems that is for sure. And we no longer have a jump from the technological stand point.

China has been spending apparently significant sums on advanced asymmetrical break-throughs in science. They and Russia have W promising to "limit" our NMD into uselessness, while meanwhile, they could be achieving the completion of missile defense programs we have already proven are possible...but never exploited for our ourselves...Sigh.
9 posted on 07/19/2006 2:51:09 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross
Rather dim view of things that's for sure. Sadly one can see the old man sitting there and reflected in not only this administration but the whole government. Has our will to get vital things done simply vanished.
GWB would surely have better spent capital on pushing for this new version of SDI then saying we should put a man on mars. The hell with mars. It don't mean sh*t. SDI and related system do. If he went on the boob tube today and told the world America is going to revise it's priorities on SDI and put manned space travel on the back burners, due to very real security needs, and pledge those funds and more to the SDI, most all would have little to say but to go along with it. Of course NASA and associated industries would cry to the high heaven but so be it.
Tell them to switch gears and compete with say Ratheon, Gruman and the others on sub systems for SDI.
At any rate. I feel your pain to some small degree.
10 posted on 07/19/2006 2:51:58 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Paul Ross

One has to wonder where our priorities are. To many short term profit folks run things now adays. Do something that may make one look like a good guy, while the farm is sinking into a sinkhole in the background.


11 posted on 07/19/2006 2:55:00 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Paul Ross

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 07/19/2006 10:36:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; GOP_1900AD; B4Ranch
You're welcome.

This is the most-definitive, and thorough and well-thought piece I have yet seen on the subject in public.

I expect the Claremont Institute and Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy are still busy trying to digest it.

But it is simply undeniable now that we have been sabotaged from the top...again.

14 posted on 07/20/2006 4:28:53 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: sandyeggo; Alamo-Girl; navyvet
So you got to see this, eh?

We need to educate and mobilize the populace...the bully pulpit of the White House remains deliberately vacant on this issue, unfortunately.

By chance, have you ever heard of Riki Ellison and his organization?

Note the rather startling degree of silence by the Administration post-July 4th about its slow-walk testing, development and deployments policies. Positively glacial. They seem to be taking way too much comfort in the failure of the North Korean long missile tests... It could just have easily gone the other way, with the Taepo-Dong 2 actually being successful...and word has it that they are already preparing a second test-launch right now. Did you hear this REPORT: KOREAN MISSILE WAS AIMED NEAR HAWAII

For all the talk about our having effective defenses for the North Korean threat, I am not sanguine about them. That missile burned successfully for far longer than originally reported...i.e., almost a full 4 minutes...only another two to three minutes more of burn were required!.

As it was, that four minutes of ascent was more than long enough for an Aegis NMD picket ship to have mounted a counter attack...if we had them or it was authorized. We moved a ship out there, but when their seven rockets got lit off, we did nothing.

15 posted on 07/20/2006 5:28:24 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Marine_Uncle; JohnHuang2; ntrulock; B4Ranch; GOP_1900AD; Alamo-Girl; Red6
One has to wonder where our priorities are. To many short term profit folks run things now adays. Do something that may make one look like a good guy, while the farm is sinking into a sinkhole in the background

Agreed. This is simply mind-boggling for an administration which touts itself on its self-promoted managerial expertise. We lack the kind of incisive and acute intelligence that we used to have in military intelligence, deployments policies and preparedness. It is appalling to compare today's "analyists" to what we once had. Here is a solemn reminder of our loss two years ago, one such unsung great that links up to the issue of missile defense...


Center for Security Policy.

Decision Brief No. 02-D 57 2002-11-04

In Memoriam an unsung hero of the Cold War: William T. Lee

(Washington, D.C.): A formidable intellect and tenacious analyst of Moscow and Beijing's military capabilities passed away last week. His friends and colleagues on the Center for Security Policy's National Security Advisory Council remember William T. Lee as a fearless intelligence officer whose assiduously documented and generally correct views often brought him at odds with the intelligence establishment.

In the darkest days of the Cold War, Bill Lee was one of the behind-the-scenes intelligence professionals who never received public recognition for his tough estimates concerning the Soviet Union's vast military expenditures. At a time when the conventional wisdom within the intelligence community (IC) deemed such spending to be relatively close to the Kremlin's officially released, laughably low and wholly misleading numbers, he disagreed with his characteristic truculence.

His often lonely judgments were largely embraced in 1976 by the famous "Team B," a committee of skeptics whom then-Director of Central Intelligence George H.W. Bush chartered to provide a second-opinion on Soviet military capabilities. More importantly, they were confirmed as far more accurate than the IC's low-balled estimates when the demise of the Soviet Union provided Bill and others a fleeting opportunity to examine selected Kremlin archives.

After he retired from government service in 1992, Bill Lee continued with his work, making extraordinary use of open sources to penetrate and unravel Soviet/Russian secrets. Of particular importance was his path-breaking analysis of documents from the former USSR, including memoirs published by officials associated with the Kremlin's anti-ballistic missile programs.

His book, The ABM Treaty Charade: A Study in Elite Illusion and Delusion, distilled from these materials a stunning conclusion: As a matter of state policy, the USSR never complied with the requirements of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and built and deployed a territorial ABM system explicitly prohibited by that accord. What is more, according to Mr. Lee, post-Soviet Russia maintained this illegal capability and took steps to modernize the complex of radars, dual-capable anti-air/anti-missile interceptors and associated launchers that comprised it.

The Bottom Line

So long as the United States continued to adhere to this treaty, the U.S. intelligence community, in a phenomenon known as "cognitive dissonance," studiously ignored the fact of Soviet/Russian non-compliance that Bill Lee spent his life monitoring. Now that the United States is no longer bound by the ABM Treaty, however, there is no excuse for failing to look at evidence with the same unflinching determination to find the truth that Bill Lee brought to his work. It would be a fitting tribute indeed for this career intelligence professional if the subject of his final investigation were to achieve the sort of validation, however belated, ultimately secured by his earlier, courageous Cold War analyses.

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About William T. Lee

William T. Lee received a B.A. degree from the University of Washington in 1950 followed by graduate work at Columbia University. He spent 41 years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and retired from the Defense Intelligence Agency Senior Executive Service in 1992. He is the author of five books and numerous classified intelligence studies and the recipient of two intelligence medals. Mr. Lee has lectured on Cold War history at a number of universities. His most recent book is The ABM Treaty Charade: A Study in Elite Illusion and Delusion, and he is currently writing a book on how the Cold War was lost and won.

16 posted on 07/20/2006 5:49:33 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Marine_Uncle; atomicpossum; Bogey78O; tumblindice; Proud_USA_Republican; in hoc signo vinces; ...
At any rate I feel your pain to some small degree

Maybe the pain just hasn't hit yet! Actually, if you grab for your wallet...you might find its been picked...and they gave you no missile defense... although if they had simply deployed Bush Sr's version back in '93 it would have been effective and comparatively cheap, as from the Independent Working Group conclusion:

The total life-cycle DOD CAIG-validated cost-estimate of this Bush-41 defensive deployment, including all of its RDT&E expenses, all of its production and launch costs, all of its operational and testing costs for 20 years – plus complete replacement of the constellation (involving the orbiting of another 1000 pebbles) – was $11 billion (1990 dollars)..21 In marked contrast to having an impressive global mis- sile defense capability for 20 years, the 6-year RDT&E budget for the Bush-43 ballistic missile defense program (2001-2006) – including no deployment costs – is administration-stated to be roughly $50-billion as-spent dollars. A January 2006 Congressional Budget Office study estimated that the current missile defense program could cost another $247 billion between now and 2024.

A detached observer perhaps could be excused for some puzzlement as to the origin and nature of the differences in ballistic missile defense tastes, judgments, and directions of the Bush-41 and -43 administrations.


17 posted on 07/20/2006 6:42:33 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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I salute his efforts. One can only hope there are like minded people carrying on in this style.
We can only hope that whatever shake ups have happened in the defense community under Rummy's watch will include the need to very seriously keep the over all SDI concept on the boards. The only solution is to continue work on a complete space shield which includes integrated ground/sea missile intercept missile platforms.
Hopefully equal work is/will being/be done on the outer space part to balance what is being done now for ground launched systems.
18 posted on 07/20/2006 7:11:14 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Paul Ross; Jeff Head; Brian Allen; hedgetrimmer; joanie-f
National defense is no longer a major priority in DC. They do a lot of talking and threatening but I don't think the will to actually win is there.

When I heard the word "restraint" echoing in the newcasts after Israel was attacked I thought to myself that this sick idea of espousing international/global citizenship ie. Europe, had corrupted their minds.

Asking me to trust people who are anti Christian and whose loyalties are totally dissimilar to mine isn't going to happen no matter how compassionate our Commander in Chief may be. I will never champion the Russian, Chinese or Muslim beliefs, belittle the need for national sovereignty nor will I ever advocate the lack of need for strongly defended national borders.

I am proud of our culture and it sickens me to see it that we refuse to prosecute traitorous behavior by our executive state and national political executives.

We have many men such as William T. Lee in America. Unfortunately they are all getting too old to do more than make us aware of our deficiencies. I seriously doubt that there will be one response to this thread by someone under the age of 55. The younger generation has had there minds corrupted, in my view, by television and public education.

We need more men such as Norman Schwarzkopf, John Bolton, Jim Gilchrist and Tom Tancredo leading us if America is to stand for freedom. Currently we represent a nation that is unwilling to defend our laws, our borders nor our sovereignty which is very depressing to me. We still are the best country in the world but I think that title is slipping away.

I am not one who can remember the contruction of a new military base here in the US but I certainly do recall the closure of far too many. We have not won a war since I was born in '47. Yes, we've won damn near every military battle but the will to win the war has escaped from our grasp.

I pray we support Israel in her fight for freedom. Those men are giving the world a good lesson on how to kick ass and take names.

Thanks for reading my rant.
19 posted on 07/20/2006 7:16:33 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: Paul Ross

Though if you look at most tech haevy programs cost over-runs were collosal during the 90s. The tech developed too rapidly that new stuff would be junk before the requisition could be closed.


20 posted on 07/20/2006 8:24:46 AM PDT by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: B4Ranch

Big Bump

you did misspell a word. (there = their.......otherwise a very good grade for arruracy in all counts.)

55 and counting.......


21 posted on 07/20/2006 8:35:51 AM PDT by Jackie222
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To: Paul Ross
The US has no business signing treaties when we know the other signatories cant be trusted.The way I see it,it only buys the enemy time to try and upstage us.In secret of course,with a smile on their faces.[While the knife is stuck into our backs.]We as Americans know we can barely trust our own government,let alone the likes Of China,Russia,etc.Lord knows what gifts Clinton gave the Chinese,let alone any other country.We need to get on the fast track,or heaven help us.Thanks for the informative post.Here all along,I was under the impression we had been seriously dedicated to this program.
22 posted on 07/20/2006 8:44:10 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: B4Ranch

I always cringe when I see the stories on tv about the bomb shelters in Israel. We have North Korean and Chinese missiles pointed at American citizens (no doubt Russian missiles as well), yet none of the major cities have bomb shelters anymore (except for politicians). Why have the American people allowed themselves to be put in such a position, where there is no safeguard for them should Kim Jung Il finally make good his threats against us?


23 posted on 07/20/2006 8:46:21 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Why have the American people allowed themselves to be put in such a position,"

Because it is much easier to live in the world of make believe that our government will protect us from all evil and harm.


24 posted on 07/20/2006 11:24:34 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch

#19 BTTT!


25 posted on 07/20/2006 2:13:01 PM PDT by Brian Allen ("In war there is no substitute for victory." General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Brian Allen

Simply one of the best article's I have read in this current conflict going on. A difficult lesson ~

I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized latino sailor from my ship.

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's
mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows. Nobody moved. Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two
of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]". He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him. I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today.

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors.

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:
1. Instigate a war.
2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.
3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your
intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.

This tactic has never failed. Not once. In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.


26 posted on 07/20/2006 4:41:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch

Wow! Thanks for that post! Who was the author?


27 posted on 07/21/2006 5:08:16 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Bogey78O; GOP_1900AD; Alamo-Girl
The tech developed too rapidly that new stuff would be junk before the requisition could be closed.

But in point of fact you don't classify less than the current state-of-the-art with nontheless very real defense capability and security value as "junk". Witness we still use ships that are over 40 years old, and planes over 30 years old, updated to be sure, but they represent a huge investment, not to be cavalierly dismissed as "junk".

Ditto missile defense deployments. The Brilliant Pebbles program, as the Independent Working Group concluded...would have bought us at least 20 years of robustly effective missile defense for only $11 billion.

Today, we have no real defenses worthy of the name deployed, and are down still another $50 billion in paper studies. Amazing isn't it how paper can suddenly cost so much, and give you so little?

And meanwhile, this Administration killed a number of the cures for the sabotage against missile defense that Clinton had ordered [going with a puny ground based interceptor, laming up the speed and range of the SM-3 Aegis interceptor, killing outright Theater Ballistic Missile Defense etc.] ...all under a cloak of silence. The dogs did not bark. The MSM and Rats remain silent in approval of anything which undercuts real defense...and the conservatives remained silent falsely hoping that the Administration was simply going on to something better. We now know different.

28 posted on 07/21/2006 5:30:21 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: B4Ranch; hedgetrimmer; Recovering Ex-hippie; johnny7; Jameison; alloysteel; Stainless Steel Rat; ...
"Why have the American people allowed themselves to be put in such a position," Because it is much easier to live in the world of make believe that our government will protect us from all evil and harm.

Bump!

That is obviously what the RATs and RINOs bank on as a governing creed...the inculcated dependency...and blind trust.

Unfortunately it looks like we are seeing the Administration relying on this very phenomenon, while it is squandering time and money, with nothing to show for it, although the technology is there...it is a political shell game. And we need to call them on it.


29 posted on 07/21/2006 7:51:30 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

Too many people prefer illusions to the truth. That is what Dhimmirats count on..


30 posted on 07/21/2006 7:55:41 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Paul Ross

You are so right.


31 posted on 07/21/2006 7:58:38 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: Paul Ross

A close friend of mine. (A retired Vet)


32 posted on 07/21/2006 8:02:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: Paul Ross
I've advocated orbiting killer-satellites for years...
33 posted on 07/21/2006 8:03:40 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: johnny7
I've advocated orbiting killer-satellites for years...

And the amazing thing is how relatively inexpensive the Brilliant Pebbles solution was ($11 billion) compared to the worthless paper studies and minimal slow-walking testing and deployments ($50 billion)that have been done to avoid deploying anything. It is just amazing squandry, and something has to be done before we are confronted with nuclear calamity.

34 posted on 07/21/2006 8:23:19 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

Thanks for the heads up to your post #29.

Mike


35 posted on 07/21/2006 8:24:35 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: Paul Ross
but when their seven rockets got lit off, we did nothing.

What do you believe we should have done? What would it have accomplished?

36 posted on 07/21/2006 8:25:36 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Paul Ross
"A comprehensive approach to homeland security, in which missile defense and efforts to identify, destroy, or change such regimes are priorities, is therefore needed.........

Given the nature of this missile threat, only a global missile defense is adequate"


Time for the President to start looking into these options.
The political climate right now is the best it's been for missile defense. The sooner, the better.
37 posted on 07/21/2006 8:27:54 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: IrishMike; johnny7
You're welcome, and if you have the bandwidth [8 megabyte file] and interest in the actual report of the Independent Working Group on Missile Defense, it can be downloaded here at:

http://www.ifpa.org/pdf/IWGreport.pdf

This rhetorical observation from the High Frontier website asks the right question:

In 1992, the most mature SDI program in terms of technology and of near-term deployment feasibility, Brilliant Pebbles, was killed by then-Senate Armed Services Chairman Sam Nunn (D-GA). High Frontier Chairman Hank Cooper, then head of the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization, has expressed on numerous occassions that this program has been proven in testing, and represents the best option for an effective near-term defense for the United States against the ballistic missile threat. Recently, in hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz specifically mentioned a space-based kinetic kill program. The research, he said, "had been dormant for some time". Yet, the technology exists now, with a minimum of research needed to be ready for deployment. Will we see the resurrection of the Brilliant Pebbles program?

38 posted on 07/21/2006 8:36:09 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: American_Centurion
What do you believe we should have done?

Intercepted them all.

What would it have accomplished?

Restored security if not deterrence, since obviously retaliatory ability is virtually meaningless.

39 posted on 07/21/2006 8:38:35 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

Wasting interceptors on flying soon-to-be-submarines, is dumb. As far as restoring security goes, we still have it, and the bad guys now know they can't find out how well our stuff works by using a cheap fireworks display.

China was no doubt behind the launches, they were HOPING we would engage so they could learn how our defenses work. But if they want to know, they have to actually shoot at something. They blinked, not us.


40 posted on 07/21/2006 8:47:25 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion
Wasting interceptors on flying soon-to-be-submarines, is dumb.

No. Its a demonstration of capability. A wake-up-call. And far more important still, and what gives credibility to the doctrine of deterrence you are relying on...an undeniable assertion of capability and resolve.

As far as restoring security goes, we still have it, and the bad guys now know they can't find out how well our stuff works by using a cheap fireworks display.

No they don't. They regard us as a paper tiger, and China is busy burrowing out what few secrets we have. I still can't believe Bush caved into the Chinese Premier Hu Jintau's demand for resumed "military exchanges".

China was no doubt behind the launches, they were HOPING we would engage so they could learn how our defenses work.

I suspect China already has a fair idea.

But if they want to know, they have to actually shoot at something. They blinked, not us.

Actually they fired damn close to Hawaii... they didn't blink. They malfunctioned. And way too much comfort is being taken from that.

41 posted on 07/21/2006 8:54:14 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: American_Centurion; Alamo-Girl; Jeff Head; Travis McGee
As a more-thorough rejoinder to your question, I commend to your attention this piece by Henry Cooper (Fmr. Head of the SDIO), at this link:

http://www.highfrontier.org/documents/PolicyBrief84.pdf

Here is a snippet from that:

High Frontier Strategic Issues Policy Brief July 14, 2006

“Six Scuds and a Dud” – Why should we care?
By Henry F. Cooper 1 (Stanton Coalition Presentation)

On Fox News Sunday, Brit Hume referred to North Korea’s intrusion on our July 4 celebration with their launch of “Six Scuds and a Dud,” and implied this was not a particularly significant event. I beg to differ.

The Dud Problem
First, the “dud,” their failed test of a Taepodong-2, involved a three stage rocket presumably intended to deliver a modern nuclear weapon to Hawaii, Alaska or the Northwestern continental United States. And if – more likely, when – fully developed, it will be able to deliver a lighter weapon of mass destruction (a chemical or biological weapon) to attack most U.S. cities. We should not take great comfort that this test failed. After all, North Korea already demonstrated its ability to stage its rockets – remember August 31, 1998 and the 3-stage Taepodong-1 that caught the intelligence community by surprise?

It also failed to achieve its objective – putting a light weight satellite in low earth orbit, but it succeeded in over-flying Japan and spreading its debris almost to U.S. territory. Had it succeeded in orbiting that satellite, it could have also de-orbited it to strike any U.S. city, potentially with a chemical or biological weapon. Did the North Koreans understand and fix what went wrong with this test six years ago?

Sometimes one learns more from failure than success. After all, it has been four years since we had a successful intercept test of the defensive interceptor system that is supposed to shoot down long-range North Korean missiles (2 of the past 3 tests did not achieve a successful launch) – and the administration alleges to have confidence in it. So why take great comfort in the fact that North Korea still has work to do in successfully developing and demonstrating its ability to attack U.S. with its long-range missiles?

The Scud Problem
Regarding the Scuds – which were 6-out-of-6 on July 4, are we to be relaxed because we think they threaten only Japan, South Korea, other neighbors of North Korea and our nearby troops?

In fact, achieving 6-out-of-6 was a great marketing demonstration for a major North Korean “cash crop.” It is well known that North Korea sells these rockets – and they have a great many – to anyone with cash, including terrorists. And they can be launched from ships – e.g., a few hundred miles off our coasts. Terrorists could take their pick of cities within 200 miles of our coasts where live two-thirds of all Americans live.

Don’t take my word – consider that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld pointed out in a September 16, 2002, Pentagon press conference:

“Countries have placed ballistic missiles in ships – dime a dozen – all over the world. At any given time, there’s any number off our coasts – coming, going. On transporter-erector-launchers, they simply erect it, fire off a ballistic missile, put it down, cover it up. Their radar signature’s not any different than 50 others in close proximity.”

This threat was also pointed out in the 1998 Rumsfeld Commission’s unanimous bipartisan assessment of the ballistic missile threat. And we have been told that capability has been demonstrated – so this is not a hypothetical possibility.

It shouldn’t take Tom Clancy to imagine scenarios in which terrorists buy several such missiles, arm them with weapons of mass destruction, put them to sea, and launch them at several cities, making September 11, 2001 look like ants at a picnic by comparison. So, clearly we should care about “Six Scuds and a Dud!” And clearly we should have doubts about the prospects of diplomacy doing much more than delaying this threat.

Without question, we need effective defenses to protect America against both long and short range ballistic missiles – and we need them now!

What to Do – Quickly!
The ground-based defenses in Alaska and California are intended to intercept a North Korean ballistic missile. But Americans near our coasts have no defense against terrorist Scuds that could be launched by nearby ships – a fact that can be rectified rapidly by employing proven sea-based interceptors aboard Navy cruisers and destroyers that operate near our coasts.

The Navy is 8-out-of-9 in it’s testing over the past four years – and is already beginning to deploy a missile defense capability on 3 cruisers and 13 destroyers in the Pacific (where all testing currently is conducted with operational crews in ever increasingly complex test configurations), primarily to defend Japan, other allies and our troops near North Korea.

Some of these ships might be diverted in a crisis to defend our west coast. And the Navy had planned to provide by 2007 this same capability to 2 destroyers in the Atlantic, which could have provided some defense for our east coast, but that plan was delayed by Missile Defense Agency officials in favor of funding other programs – delaying for several years efforts that could protect Americans who live within 200 miles of our east coast.

These programs should be accelerated – and supplemented. Operations should be adapted to extend the capabilities of the Pacific Test Range in helping protect Americans who live near the West Coast from Scuds on ships in the Pacific. And more ships in the Atlantic should be outfitted with the SM-3 and tested in an East Coast Test Range to help protect those who live along the Eastern Seaboard against Scuds on ships in the Atlantic. Modest Costs First, for $100 million, a significant number of 100 already existing SM-2 Block IV air defense interceptors, one of which was successfully tested against a short-range missile on May 24, can be modified and begin operating on ships that are already near our coasts within a year after program authorization and funding.

Second, we should accelerate and expand current plans to equip our warships with much more capable SM-3 interceptors as part of our joint program with Japan. Japan is purchasing this same capability for their Aegis equipped warships and joining with the US to improve the SM-3 to fly faster and farther to defend wider areas than the already formidable current Aegis SM-3 abilities. Given normal Navy rotational cycles, a third to half of our ships are available at a moments notice for use at any given time. More could be made available in a crisis or higher state of alert.

Third, we should accelerate outfitting currently planned and additional ships with the SM-3 capability – for about $100M per ship – $20M for the gear and $80M for 8 SM-3 missiles. So, 10 more Aegis ballistic missile defense capable ships, each armed with SM-3 missiles as well as their normal load out of other missiles would cost $1B. These capabilities should be tested in both the Pacific and Atlantic in ways that build the infrastructure for protecting Americans within 200 miles of our coasts against Scuds on ships.

Finally, the Navy should be funded to make the SM-3 interceptor all it can be as quickly as possible – preferably managed by a Spartan, competent technical team in the Aegis Program Office. Key improvements would be to: 1) demonstrate confidence in an ascent phase intercept capability, so that the SM-3 system on ships in the Sea of Japan can shoot down missiles from North Korea that are headed toward US cities; 2) include light-weight technology in miniaturizing the kill vehicle carried by the SM-3, thereby increasing its capability to defend a greater area; and 3) accelerating the development of subsequent block improvements to the current SM-3.

These significant improvements are quite affordable – they would involve increasing the current Navy missile defense effort from about $1 billion a year to less than $2 billion a year. In considering the meaning of “Six Scuds and a Dud,” this investment is responsive to obvious requirements illustrated by the events of July 4. Indeed, there are no better 'bargains" in purchasing needed missile defense capability quickly.

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1 Cooper was Director of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) during the Bush-41 administration and Ronald Reagan’s Ambassador and Chief Negotiator to the Geneva Defense and Space Talks with the former Soviet Union.


42 posted on 07/21/2006 9:12:39 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

I'm with you as far as improving missile defense to ensure security.

I do not believe your advice of using a show of force doctrine of deterrence would be wise or effective. It seems to me you think we have an inexhaustible supply of bullets to shoot at "missiles" destined to splash in the water. You also don't grasp the value of having an enemy estimate versus confirming our capabilities. You will get lots of folks around here to praise you for your ideas, however you can have the armchair generals. I have no doubts that we did the right thing on 4 July.


43 posted on 07/21/2006 9:19:27 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion; SDI
I'm with you as far as improving missile defense to ensure security.

Good.

I do not believe your advice of using a show of force doctrine of deterrence would be wise or effective.

There is always room for someone to disagree with common sense, eh?

It seems to me you think we have an inexhaustible supply of bullets to shoot at "missiles" destined to splash in the water.

No, I don't. But we do need to have an appropriate moment to announce the implementation of the strategic "paradigm shift" that Reagan so vividly described, a switch from the Mutual Assured Destruction mentality, to Assured Survival. Anyways, we should have many thousands of these missiles for what has been squandered on the ground based interceptor component. And the Brilliant Pebbles program...with thousands of orbiting sentries... could have been deployed and operational all for $11 billion.

You also don't grasp the value of having an enemy estimate versus confirming our capabilities.

No, again, you're failing to seperate and distinguish the need for operational security, and the opposed necessity for a certain degree of publicity as to capability for deterrent and other purposes...such as the embarassment of North Korea and Iran helping promote regime changes.

You will get lots of folks around here to praise you for your ideas, however you can have the armchair generals.

I am not talking about armchair generals. Caspar Weinberger espoused this very approach, as have others.

I have no doubts that we did the right thing on 4 July.

I do.

44 posted on 07/21/2006 9:39:34 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

Interesting.


45 posted on 07/21/2006 10:02:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Howlin
Interesting.

I find it so. Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to be seeing President Bush publically receiving this Independent Working Group on Missile Defense report. Certainly not in any photo ops, warmly or otherwise, as Reagan assiduously provided to emphasize the national dangers we were in:


46 posted on 07/21/2006 10:10:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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