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Sorry, but my children bore me to death! (Feminism's highest honor, Grand Narcissism)
Daily Mail ^ | 26th July 2006 | HELEN KIRWAN-TAYLOLR

Posted on 07/26/2006 7:17:10 AM PDT by carlo3b

Sorry, but my children bore me to death!
by HELEN KIRWAN-TAYLOLR, Daily Mail 08:00am 26th July 2006

It's the start of the summer holidays, when millions of mothers despair at how to entertain their children for the next six weeks. What none of them dare say is that they would rather their children were still at school or, frankly, anywhere else. Helen Kirwan-Taylor, a 42-year-old writer, lives in Notting Hill, West London, with her businessman husband Charles and their sons Constantin, 12, and Ivan, ten. Here, she argues provocatively that modern women must not be enslaved by their children.

The lies started when my eldest son was less than ten months old.

Invitations to attend a child's birthday party or, worse, a singalong session were met with the same refrain: 'I would love to but I just can't spare the time.'

The nanny was dispatched in my place, and almost always returned complaining that my son had been singled out for pitiful stares by the other mothers.

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Kids are supposed to be fulfilling, life-changing, life-enhancing fun: why was my attitude towards them so different?

While all my girlfriends were dropping important careers and occupying their afternoons with cake baking, I was begging the nanny to stay on, at least until she had read my two a bedtime story. What kind of mother hates reading bedtime stories? A bad mother, that's who, and a mother who is bored rigid by her children.

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Am I a lazy, superficial person because I don't enjoy packing up their sports kit, or making their lunch, or sitting through coffee mornings with other mothers discussing how Mr Science (I can't remember most of the teachers' names) said such and such to Little Johnny and should we all complain to the headmaster.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childred; feminism; liberalism; motherhood; parenthood; selfish; soccermom
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To: Mo1
You have a talker too, huh? *L*

Ha! More than one. My oldest went to bed and the four younger ones were all talking non-stop until midnight, because of a storm and power outage. I don't know how many times I asked them to shush, so I could concentrate on finding the number to the power company so I could find out when we would have power back.

101 posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:32 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: All

This is a woman who is just flat out incapable of doing anything out of pure love for another person, which means that she is incapable of love itself.

I feel sorry for her children.


102 posted on 07/26/2006 8:13:45 AM PDT by Madeleine Ward
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To: backinthefold

Even more fun then turning around when someone calls "Mommy"? My mother-in-law's youngest is 20 years old. She has been out alone at grocery stores and would sway back and forth if she heard a baby crying.


103 posted on 07/26/2006 8:13:51 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: carlo3b
I am afraid this is what lurks in the space where a heart should be in the modern feminist mother.. God help or children.. The truth really hurts, some of us.. :(

I think there's a kernel of truth in the article. I don't think you do kids any good by hovering over them and showering them with consant attention and gifts. There's a huge amount of pressure to conform to tv notions of being a good dad and mom and much of that pressure is stupid. So what you get is a lot of parents trying to be good tv parents and ignoring stuff like discipline and self-sufficiency because that makes bad tv.

We work hard to make our son independent. And that means going places by himself. It also means having to entertain himself when dad is busy. We try to be there when we are with him but expect him to do a lot on his own and be able to entertain himself, no matter how much drama goes on about being bored.

I think this is related to the bizarre extent of kids birthdays today. What's wrong with having the family and a few friends over for cake and ice cream? What's all this ponies and swimming parties and Jungle Quest stuff for four year olds. I mean, it's fun but my son has already planned his next three birthdays and what fabulous and expensive events will occur. (as you can see, my wife doesn't agree that we make way too much of kids birthdays.)

My parents never went to one of my baseball games and I got over it. In fact, at the time, I didn't even notice--being much more interested in other kids. All this cr@p in the movies about kids crying because dad, again, doesn't show up for Meaningful Event A had nothing to do with my life when I was a kid. As long as I could get to MEANINGFUL EVENT A, I was happy and my parent's job was done. Of course, having seen the movies, the kids now know to use this particular issue for emotional manipulation. But when I was growing up, it was a complete non-issue.

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from my mom, just before my son was born. She told me that kids live in your house, not the other way around.

One other point in this somewhat scattered post. How can she find kids uninteresting? That I don't understand. That is sad because the kid will figure that out. We have a ball with our boy.

104 posted on 07/26/2006 8:13:56 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: linda_22003

Linda, I thought of you and several others in the "childless" group here at FR when I read this article. I've truly hoped that the condemnation would lie in the fact that she had children at all, NOT in that awful direction that many of these threads go in: that there' something wrong or evil about people who don't want to have children. So far, so good!


105 posted on 07/26/2006 8:14:14 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: cyborg
I wonder how many mothers think what she put down on paper. I wonder how many regret their decisions after having the kids and find they don't like kids as much as they thought. It sounds to me that she should have never had them in the first place and maybe she had them because all her friends were having them.

I'm the total opposite..........I never liked kids and never planned on having any. I have an entirely different outlook on life now that I am a mom. And i wouldn't change it for the world.

106 posted on 07/26/2006 8:15:12 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: carlo3b

Have no fear Helen. They will have plenty of time to entertain you when your lack of love bears its' fruit. No telling what they will seek out to replace what should be a mother's love.

I will pray for your children that they can somehow teach you to love.


107 posted on 07/26/2006 8:16:25 AM PDT by del4hope (incompetence is trainable)
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To: carlo3b

One of the great truths I know is that 'boring people get bored.'


108 posted on 07/26/2006 8:16:56 AM PDT by HitmanLV (All hail, King Booker! All hail. King Booker! New WWE Champion!!)
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To: Warren_Piece

Exactly, and thanks for getting it. I've certainly been condemned here on FR for my "selfishness" in not reproducing. Given my feelings about it, I think it would have been selfish TO do so, since it would only have been to live up to others' expectations. That's what some people seem to want around here, though.

I not only don't know why this woman had kids, I have NO idea why she thought writing this article was a good idea!


109 posted on 07/26/2006 8:17:25 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: carlo3b
I know the song is a bit sappy, but it's poignancy never fails to choke me up a bit. This woman will someday regret her selfish behavior:

Cats in the Craddle

My child arrived just the other day
He came to the world in the usual way
But there were planes to catch and bills to pay
He learned to walk while I was away
And he was talkin' 'fore I knew it, and as he grew
He'd say "I'm gonna be like you dad
You know I'm gonna be like you"

.

.

.

(Last verse):

I've long since retired, my son's moved away
I called him up just the other day
I said, "I'd like to see you if you don't mind"
He said, "I'd love to, Dad, if I can find the time
You see my new job's a hassle and kids have the flu
But it's sure nice talking to you, Dad
It's been sure nice talking to you"

And as I hung up the phone it occurred to me
He'd grown up just like me
My boy was just like me

Full lyrics continued at link

110 posted on 07/26/2006 8:17:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
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To: HungarianGypsy
She has been out alone at grocery stores and would sway back and forth if she heard a baby crying.
 
I do that too ;) And my "baby" is 13

111 posted on 07/26/2006 8:17:55 AM PDT by backinthefold (David, a teenage Jew, beat Goliath, a 9 foot tall palestine, with a rock and faith in God)
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To: linda_22003

Do you care to share the reason why you haven't been popping out kids like a Pez dispenser?

(I'm kidding, I'm kidding)


112 posted on 07/26/2006 8:18:46 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: OldFriend
I cherish these days because I know those days are coming. My stay-at-home wife sometimes gets frustrated and annoyed by the kids, but she too knows these days will end and to enjoy them.
113 posted on 07/26/2006 8:19:03 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: carlo3b
Her sons, sons Constantin, 12, and Ivan, ten.



Must be she finds taking their pictures more than every seven years or so boring, too.
More than likely though, she used this shot because she looked good in it.
After all, it is all about her.
114 posted on 07/26/2006 8:19:50 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: ModelBreaker

Now you've done it. :-)

I REALLY agree about the birthday part. I think there's a fine line between teaching your kids self-reliance, and neglecting them.

I'm pretty sure you've started what will be a first-class flame war!


115 posted on 07/26/2006 8:20:25 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Allegra
I had a tough childhood...


116 posted on 07/26/2006 8:20:46 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: RinaseaofDs

What a beautiful moment, thanks.


117 posted on 07/26/2006 8:20:59 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: MaryFromMichigan

Okay, I thought those kids looked a little small for their stated ages, but I wasn't sure. So it is an old picture after all.


118 posted on 07/26/2006 8:22:27 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: carlo3b
"To be a good parent today, you have to sacrifice a lot."

This has always been true. It's not some new, tyranical rule.

I feel really, really sorry for her kids. They don't deserve this. Unfortunately, a product of her (un)raising, they might turn out just as screwed up.
119 posted on 07/26/2006 8:23:40 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Tired of Taxes

How old are your children? We did the same thing until my oldest turned 12. He babysits and we wander around trying to figure out what to do with ourselves. He also calls every half hour asking what we're doing.


120 posted on 07/26/2006 8:23:43 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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