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The End of Christianity in Iraq
Christians of Iraq ^ | July 24, 2006 | Glen Chancy

Posted on 07/26/2006 9:31:27 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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Of course, it doesn't matter if the Bush War Policy results in the total annihilation of a million Iraqi Christians; because, after all, he had "good intentions". Conservatives, Liberals, whatever, doesn't matter anymore... we're all believers in Situational Ethics now.

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

1 posted on 07/26/2006 9:31:29 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

The Assyrians and Chaldeans have survived quite a lot in the 2,000 years of their amazing Christian history. They will survive the current crisis. The above piece makes valuable points, but its doom-laden, handwringing tone is overwrought.


2 posted on 07/26/2006 9:41:42 AM PDT by karnage
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Baghdad's morgue is receiving nearly twice as many dead Iraqis each day as it did last year. In June 2005, the Baghdad morgue was receiving 700 to 800 bodies a month, or an average of between 24 to 26 a day. In July of 2006, this number has shot up to an astounding 50.

Ah, for the glorious days of Saddam. No corpses at all in the morgues...that's what mass graves are for.

And a news flash: the persecution of Christians isn't exactly unusual in the world.

3 posted on 07/26/2006 9:45:27 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I had also considered posting this article. Wasn't sure what to make of the spin when I read it pre-FR, which is why I declined. I did notice that the writer failed to include the exact phrase "It's Bush's fault", which surely has to count for something.

Not good news for the Assyrians, regardless.

4 posted on 07/26/2006 9:51:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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Is there a place in the Arab world Christians would be safe? If so, there are very few places. Even "moderate" Muslim states like Saudi Arabia have no tolerance for Christians.

The problem here isn't our policy in Iraq. It is Islam.

5 posted on 07/26/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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How dare you pretend to speak in Jesus name??? Do you think Jesus would prefer to leave people oppressed under one of the most murderous tyrannts in world history, or a country that was supporting Al Qaeda as Saddam's own intelligence files show???

Present difficulties notwithstanding, Iraq will one day be free and peaceful and Christianity will again flourish. But it will be no thanks to weaklings like you who think freedom not worth fighting for. And don't bother responding, I have nothing more to say to you.


6 posted on 07/26/2006 10:16:52 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Ol' Sparky
BINGO!

That's the real problem, and it's the whole world's problem.

7 posted on 07/26/2006 10:17:04 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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Of course, it doesn't matter if the Bush War Policy results in the total annihilation of a million Iraqi Christians

And by the way, since you're part of the "Blame America First Crowd," why don't you stop the preachiness long enough to see that it is AL QAEDA, not the president nor the US responsible for driving out Christians. The president is trying to make Iraq a safe place for all systems of belief even as people like you stand in the way and embolden the same people who are targetting Christians. But I see you have no words of condemnation for what Islamic terrorists are doing. It's all about attacking the president isn't it???

Yes, things are difficult for Christians in Iraq and they have my complete sympathy...but it's not due to the president or the US. When Iraq is one day secure, and it will be, they will be far better off than had they been left under Saddam's boot. Apologists for Saddam like you have the gutless intellectual promiscuity to believe people were better off under Saddam because you were never put into one of Saddam's rape rooms, or endured your body being put into a plastic shredder by his secret police, or had to watch a relative murdered merely for having spoken a word against Saddam or seen your village gassed by Saddam or witnessed your wife or children being raped by Saddam's maniacal prison keepers, or had the fear of Saddam's secret police knocking on your door at night, never had your nation invaded and raped by him, etc.

8 posted on 07/26/2006 10:23:04 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Ol' Sparky

"Is there a place in the Arab world Christians would be safe?"

Yes.

Israel.


9 posted on 07/26/2006 10:27:22 AM PDT by liberte
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To: darkwing104

IB4TZ?


10 posted on 07/26/2006 10:33:53 AM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: MarMema; George W. Bush
In the last few years on Free Republic, it has become objectionable to post any criticisms of Republican Presidential policies whatsoever -- even when one proceeds from a very Anti-Liberal, Ultra-Constitutionalist sorta perspective.

Well, I say... damn the "Nation-Building" Neo-Conservatives, and the addlepated goat they rode in on. My years on Free Republic have served to refine my thinking on Foreign Policy into a rarefied amalgam of George Washington's Isolationism and the Christian Emperor of Constantinople's defense of Christendom:

George Washington and Constantinople. I don't think you can GET any more "Conservative" than that. Next time I vote in a Presidential Election, I think I might just write in "Patrick Buchanan in 2000".

Or maybe -- Archbishop Herman of Philadelphia, Primate of the Orthodox Church in America, for President in 2008!

If we "American Christians" really do want a "Christian President" and all, howzabout we stop paying lip service and Elect someone who actually does give a damn about World Christendom?

Hopefully, Jim Robinson will continue to tolerate my Old-Right, Ultra-Conservative, Reactionary Utopian perspective on his website. It's his Property; I'm just a Calvinist fly in the Modernist ointment.

11 posted on 07/26/2006 10:36:38 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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Do you even know why the coalition fought against the leadership of Iraq? I didn't think so. Idiot.


12 posted on 07/26/2006 10:43:04 AM PDT by Theo ("Scientists" believe in both evolution and man-caused global warming. They're wrong in both cases.)
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To: karnage; George W. Bush
The above piece makes valuable points, but its doom-laden, handwringing tone is overwrought.

Respectfully, "karnage", it's pretty easy for us -- as rich, well-fed American Christians sitting in our comfy recliners -- to accuse the persecuted Christians of Iraq "hand-wringing" when we still possess, you know, both hands.

"They send us their fingers or toes, pictures of them beaten and bruised, and tell us we bring this on our head because we are Christians and collaborate with the Christian Americans."

This is real. This is not just some black and white HTML cut-and-paste on an American Internet Bulletin Board, this is actually happening. Right now.

The Christians of Iraq are not engaging in "handwringing" -- they are being Raped and Murdered. By the Hundreds of Thousands.

This is really happening. NOW.

War is Evil.
God hates War.

13 posted on 07/26/2006 10:50:05 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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The most striking disappointment of our Iraq policy is the far heavier Islamization of Iraq via their new constitution. This cnnnot be viewed as a positive development for any Christian or for anyone familiar with Islam. For that matter, even for most complete idiots. Islam's history is very clear on this point, despite the bilge the feds keep parrotting about some imaginary Religion Of PeaceTM.

Expecting good results from an Islamic state is beyond stupid. The only example we have is Turkey. And they would have relapsed to Islamic fundamentalism decades back had not Ataturk's military maintained its unswerving commitment to curbing the fundamentalist (authentically Muslim) tendencies of the population. Regardless, even there Christians have no friends or hope to live in peace and prosper. And the situation in Iraq is far less promising than in Turkey.

I'll admit that pigs could actually fly. But I'm not very sanguine about the prospects.
14 posted on 07/26/2006 10:57:08 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

The damage that Saddam would have done is far worse. Assyrians in America strongly supported this invasion.

The answer to this difficulty is victory.


15 posted on 07/26/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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How dare you pretend to speak in Jesus name???

Thank you, my sentiments exactly.

16 posted on 07/26/2006 11:07:08 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

It is a LIE that George Washington was an "isolationist" read the Farewell Address (written by Hamilton) again. It is concerned about the dangers of destroying the Union through taking sides in the European conflict thereby plunging the US into a civil war.

There has NEVER been ONE of our major leaders who were isolationist certainly not the Founders.

And stop pretending that your cowardly and false view is shared by John Calvin.


17 posted on 07/26/2006 11:07:22 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Bringing people to Christ through irritation and annoyance.

Isn't there some undiscovered Biblical spirituality message board far away from here that you could be inflicting yourself upon?

18 posted on 07/26/2006 11:13:38 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Seriously, who is anyone to claim to know that Jesus either supports or is against George W. Bush?? Christ was not a politician or a pundit. His mission was to save souls. I think other than that he was content to "render unto Caesar" which to me also means giving Caesar the earthly government while reserving to Himself the head of His spiritual kingdom. Christ will ultimately judge those who mis-rule. But it's not for this left-wing agendized poster to determine who that will fall against or based on what policies.

And I see nowhere in the Bible where Christ enjoins against resisting evil with force. Yes, we are told to turn the other cheek, but that CLEARLY was a prescription for personal behavior, not on how governments should act towards one another. I see nothing in that which says "Don't respond when people fly planes into your building!" Sheesh.


19 posted on 07/26/2006 11:14:09 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

A very loved fly however.


20 posted on 07/26/2006 11:41:08 AM PDT by MarMema
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