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Angelides team bullish on California's blue state math (counting on CONSERVATIVES, to win)
SFC ^ | Aug 2, 2006 | Tom Chorneau

Posted on 08/02/2006 8:01:51 PM PDT by FairOpinion

California is ripe for the taking by state Treasurer Phil Angelides, his senior campaign managers said Wednesday, largely because he's a Democrat.

While not a news flash given the state's history, the fact that Democrats hold a big registration edge over Republicans -- 43 percent to 34 percent -- illustrates one of the key problems facing Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in the upcoming election.

Angelides' camp believes that while the governor enjoys support among some Democrats now, by the time ballots are cast in November, the base will remain loyal.

They also believe that the opposite will occur with the Republicans because Schwarzenegger's recent move to the left on key issues such as immigration and the environment has alienated conservatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2006elections; angelides; calgov2006; california; election2006; electiongovernor; elections; schwarzenegger
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WILL conservatives REALLY help Angelides? THAT is the question.

I hope that REAL conservatives will NOT do such an unforgivable thing.

1 posted on 08/02/2006 8:01:52 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

REAL conservatives would not get near this Marxist, tax mad leftist. He makes Gray Davis look like a boy scout in many ways...


2 posted on 08/02/2006 8:05:29 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: FairOpinion

Far to many of them sat on their arse's last November,culd have done some good, but screwed it up.


3 posted on 08/02/2006 8:06:51 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Skerry = Spork Weasel, Indeed!)
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To: FairOpinion

Some things to consider:

CALIFORNIA VOTER AND PARTY PROFILES

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/JTF_VoterProfilesJTF.pdf


"The Democratic Party currently has an advantage of 1.4 million voters over the Republican Party (7.1 million to 5.7 million) or 9 percentage points (43% to 34%), according to the Secretary of State.

Among those most likely to vote in this year’s elections, Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 7-point margin (44% to 37%), while 15 percent of likely voters are registered as independents.

... the fact that independents are more likely to lean toward Democrats than Republicans (42% to 28%) tends to work to the disadvantage of the GOP in statewide elections."

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Arnold needs to votes of independents/moderates and some Dems to win -- and he can only get that, as a moderate.

For those who would try to diagree -- just look at history, nobody, except Arnold has been elected to statewide office and the chances of Republicans running for statewide offices don't look very bright, unless Arnold gets elected and has coattails.



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Poll: Democrats leading in six 'down ticket' races

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1675738/posts


4 posted on 08/02/2006 8:07:00 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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Another article showing that Angelides is counting heavily on Republicans to win:

"Angelides ... must win 80% of the Dems and a solid majority of the DTS (declined to state) registrants, TO ACCOMPANY THE 15% REPUBLICANS WHO DON'T VOTE FOR THEIR PARTY'S TICKET"


http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2006/07/new_poll_result.html


5 posted on 08/02/2006 8:08:16 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: EagleUSA
A few of my liberal friends have told me that Angelides scares them enough to vote for Arnold.
6 posted on 08/02/2006 8:09:34 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

"Far to many of them sat on their arse's last November,culd have done some good, but screwed it up."


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Not to mention some who actually admitted that they voted AGAINST Arnold's propositions, such as Prop. 76, which would have curtailed spending -- THEN they have the unmitigated gall to blame Arnold.


7 posted on 08/02/2006 8:09:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: ncountylee

Angelides is to the left of Bill and Hillary -- who are actively fundraising for him.


8 posted on 08/02/2006 8:10:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: EagleUSA

They would not vote for Angeledes, but they would vote either Libertarian or AIP based on their political inclination.


9 posted on 08/02/2006 8:12:19 PM PDT by Munson
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To: Munson

but they would vote either Libertarian or AIP based on their political inclination.
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And that would be a huge mistake for California, to dilute the Repub vote.


10 posted on 08/02/2006 8:13:50 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: FairOpinion

correct, they had a hammer, missed or never even saw the nail and hit themselves in the head instead, disgusting.


11 posted on 08/02/2006 8:14:08 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Skerry = Spork Weasel, Indeed!)
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To: FairOpinion

LOLOL.. spinning the oldies up tonight are we..

Prop 76,, that tanker,, sunk like a rock,, a 5B dollar back door borrowing clause ain't what did it tho, huh?. just more smoke and mirrors.

how many percent has the budget grown since the Gub took office? and because Prop 76 failed? LOL


No, the Gub failed to veto veto veto spending... instead he borrowed borrowed borrowed and then this year spent even more than the first 2 years.


12 posted on 08/02/2006 8:14:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: FairOpinion

There won't be much GOP erosion. Arnold is lucky he didn't get Westly as an opponent. Angelides will need to shed is hack boring Dem image.


13 posted on 08/02/2006 8:16:19 PM PDT by Torie
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To: FairOpinion
Considering Arnold IS a liberal, it doesn't really matter if he wins or loses. He will win since Angelides just got endorsed by Clinton and Angelides comes across as someone who is a typical tax and spend liberal.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

14 posted on 08/02/2006 8:16:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Yep. Arnold has a lot of running room to swing and pander without much danger of being clipped on the right.


15 posted on 08/02/2006 8:17:57 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Munson

And ANgelides is counting on that -- fewer votes for Arnold makes it easier for Angelides to have beat him with the votes he gets.


16 posted on 08/02/2006 8:20:51 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

This is insane. I don't know any so-called moderates that will vote for Phil.


17 posted on 08/02/2006 8:27:49 PM PDT by glaseatr (Proud Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep A. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: glaseatr

" I don't know any so-called moderates that will vote for Phil."


Well, but you can see quite a few people right here, proclaiming to be conservatives, while advocating Arnold's defeat, thereby helping Angelides.


18 posted on 08/02/2006 8:34:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Most time what one says on a message board and what one does tend to be 2 different things. My liberal mother will not vote for Phil. I see no way he can or will win. I just don't.


19 posted on 08/02/2006 8:36:53 PM PDT by glaseatr (Proud Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep A. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: glaseatr

Just remember the way the union spent $150 million to defeat Arnold's propositions. The same unions want Angelides elected and will pull out all the stops. It's going to be a tight race.


There was this article, that went largely unnoticed, which, in fact is very important, showing the powerful interests lining up against Arnold:

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They're focused on the Capitol's perpetual war between business and the big four Democratic Party subfactions: labor unions, personal injury lawyers, environmentalists and consumer protection advocates.

The past two years have been bleak ones for the Big 4 because Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has aligned himself with the California Chamber of Commerce and other business groups, rejecting nearly all of the measures they had dubbed "job killers." Schwarzenegger and business, moreover, bulldozed the Legislature into approving an overhaul of worker's compensation that authorities say is reducing employers' costs by $15 billion a year. It was the most significant advance either side had made in the war in many years and one that Democrats and their allies now want to undo. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1627876/posts


20 posted on 08/02/2006 8:44:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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