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Line 56 ^ | August 03, 2006 | Demir Barlas

Posted on 08/04/2006 1:12:45 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776

The more time I spend in the blogopshere, the more it seems to me that many blogs are merely online cults.

It's an easy comparison to make. Notice, for example, that blog audiences simply do not cross over. Most people who read and contribute to Free Republic stay away from DailyKos, and vice-versa. Once in a while, some brave soul wanders over to a rival blog, as it were, and is invariably banned by the owners of that blog; more rarely, there is a full-fledged flame war in which members of rival boards virtually invade each other's territory with the goal not of exchanging viewpoints but of causing maximum damage.

Notice how this behavior is perfectly typical of what, in the real world, we call cults.

*Cult members do not leave their own cognitive and/or physical environments. Online, this means spending most, if not all, of your time in the echo chamber of blogs aligned with your point of view. This has the benefit of inoculating you from even the possibility that your position might be wrong or at least in need of more nuance.

*Cult members have no empathy for rival views or the practitioners of those views. Opponents are devils; sympathizers are angels. Orthodoxy is all-important; dissent is unthinkable.

*A cult represents organized commitment to small-picture idiocy; a gang of what Berlin called philosophical hedgehogs (those who know only one big thing about the world). Overlay this with tribal ingroup-outgroup biology and you get the inescapable conclusion that a blog, far from being a progressive community of seekers, is more often a kind of prehistoric hunting expedition determined to go after big game.

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To Demir Barlas Free Republic is not a blog, and certainly not a cult.
1 posted on 08/04/2006 1:12:46 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
Anybody ever heard of "Line56"? Me neither.

And I ain't clicking there...

2 posted on 08/04/2006 1:14:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: AmericanMade1776
Didn't you get this morning's FR briefing?
3 posted on 08/04/2006 1:15:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: gaijin

Line 56, is an E-Business Executive Daily.


4 posted on 08/04/2006 1:17:06 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

no...


5 posted on 08/04/2006 1:17:25 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
What the heck is Line56?
6 posted on 08/04/2006 1:17:31 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are as confused as a hungry baby in a topless bar.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Anyone know what time is the dinner for everyone who thinks like us for us to toast the demise of the devil liberal socialists?


7 posted on 08/04/2006 1:17:52 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
*Cult members do not leave their own cognitive and/or physical environments....

*Cult members have no empathy for rival views or the practitioners of those views. Opponents are devils; sympathizers are angels. Orthodoxy is all-important; dissent is unthinkable.

*A cult represents organized commitment to small-picture idiocy...

(Academia in a nutshell)

8 posted on 08/04/2006 1:18:20 PM PDT by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Are we a blog? Wow, I learn something new every day. /s


9 posted on 08/04/2006 1:18:22 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Didn't you get this morning's FR briefing?

LOL! I did! Got mine at 6:34 am.

10 posted on 08/04/2006 1:18:29 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are as confused as a hungry baby in a topless bar.)
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To: 2banana

When I think of Cults , I think of Jamestown cult


11 posted on 08/04/2006 1:18:59 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
Let's see if these comments apply to CNNCBSABCNBCMSNBC:

*Cult members do not leave their own cognitive and/or physical environments. Online, this means spending most, if not all, of your time in the echo chamber of blogs aligned with your point of view. This has the benefit of inoculating you from even the possibility that your position might be wrong or at least in need of more nuance.

All the MSM networks report the same stories, with the same quotes, using the same "experts."

*Cult members have no empathy for rival views or the practitioners of those views. Opponents are devils; sympathizers are angels. Orthodoxy is all-important; dissent is unthinkable.

Studies have shown that the majority of viewers who left CNNCBSABCNBCMSNBC went to Fox News Channel. The MSM lambasts FNC as often as possible, ridicules them, minimizes them, and calls their viewers uneducated.

What was the point that this author was trying to make again?

-PJ

12 posted on 08/04/2006 1:19:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Yeah, blogs don't have serious fact checkers like CBS News does, so you can't be sure that anything you read on one is the truth. ;)


13 posted on 08/04/2006 1:19:30 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Free Republic is a cult...
Like George Washington was only a deist.

That oughta put Demir Barlas into high gear the next time he visits Free Republic!


14 posted on 08/04/2006 1:19:33 PM PDT by VOA
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To: AmericanMade1776
Orthodoxy is all-important; dissent is unthinkable

So much for this joint

15 posted on 08/04/2006 1:19:59 PM PDT by woofie
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To: AmericanMade1776

I think you means Jonestown, right?


16 posted on 08/04/2006 1:20:03 PM PDT by vharlow (http://www.vventures.net)
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To: AmericanMade1776
This moron would of thought listening to the Nazis was "Being open minded"

Sir or Ma'am,

When you visit a website that has NO intellectual merit, like the Aryan Nation, Daily Kos or Democrat Underground, you do NOT waste your time going back to it. To continue going back time and again to such closed minded, verbally abusive, bigoted sites is not a sign of "Open mindedness" it is a sign of intellectual vacuity. This author demonstrates a simple minded mental incompetence that cannot make even the slightest factual or critical judgments. This author's mind is so "open" because it is utterly empty
17 posted on 08/04/2006 1:20:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: AmericanMade1776

"Cult" is way too strong a word. The problem is that all-in forums that invite participation across the political spectrum simply degenerate into abuse of each side by the other. When there's a general understanding that the participants are on the same side -- or at least not on the opposing side -- serious discussion can begin.


18 posted on 08/04/2006 1:20:17 PM PDT by x
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To: gaijin
Anybody ever heard of "Line56"?

I think they're a cult. LOL
19 posted on 08/04/2006 1:21:17 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: vharlow
vharlow wrote: I think you means Jonestown, right?

Yes, I did mean "Jones" town. ha

21 posted on 08/04/2006 1:22:15 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: VOA

Wonder how many times Demir has had Freeper Lightening strikes scorch him?


22 posted on 08/04/2006 1:23:28 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776

What's wrong with blogs?

In the eyes of the Left, and of the MSM, what's wrong with them is that they represent an unsupervised exchange of ideas. Free speech, in other words.


23 posted on 08/04/2006 1:24:29 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: dwilson

I agree with your concept of blog vs forum distinctions. Also need to add that I really like our cult. HA


24 posted on 08/04/2006 1:24:49 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: AmericanMade1776

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



The same ammendment that this author utilizes to call FR a cult, is the one that allows people to peaseably assemble.


25 posted on 08/04/2006 1:24:59 PM PDT by CSM ("The fatter we get as a country the more concerned we get about smoking" - ichabod1)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Orthodoxy is all-important; dissent is unthinkable.

Well, that clearly eliminates Free Republic from the author's "cult" definition.

Besides, as you point out, FR is not a blog.

26 posted on 08/04/2006 1:25:04 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Yeah, it would really help if people who write about blogs knew what a blow is.

Of course, it would also be helpful if some people who write blogs realized realized that's what they are doing.


27 posted on 08/04/2006 1:25:10 PM PDT by gondramB (Named must your fear be before banish it you can.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
The author is very confused. FreeRepublic is not a blog. It's a news discussion website. And the news that is discussed comes from both left and right sources.

So much for cultism
28 posted on 08/04/2006 1:25:27 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: AmericanMade1776
This is not a cult. It's merely a social club that happens to like human sacrifice on bloodstained altars in the dark of the moon, at crossroads, somewhere in the deep, dark, wolf-infested woods.

Oh, yeah. We like beer, get sexually excited over discussing the plus and minus of various calibers, and occasionally exchange recipes.

Exchanging pictures of grandchildren is beyond the pale, however. There are some atrocities we will not subscribe to.

Such as the New York Times ...
29 posted on 08/04/2006 1:25:47 PM PDT by Fatuncle (Of course I'm ignorant. I'm here to learn.)
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To: NEMDF

We are not a cult....and by the way, I want you all to know, that I venture out from Free Republic.....Occasionally.


30 posted on 08/04/2006 1:25:50 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776

And while I post and contribute to FR, I do make a point to check out Kos. Maybe not everyday, but weekly at least.

You just can't make that stuff up. Or rather, maybe you can.

My favorite Kos story was one where they claimed that Tajikistan boiled political dissidents in oil. They included a link to a state department report, supposedly to back up the accusation. But if you actually bothered to read the report, you'd notice that it doesn't say anything like that in there.

Got to know what the mo's are up to.


31 posted on 08/04/2006 1:26:28 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Cults are always built around one irreplacable Leader. Freep has none. Daily Psykosis and DU do.


32 posted on 08/04/2006 1:26:57 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: TChris

We always "dissent"!


33 posted on 08/04/2006 1:27:02 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Owl_Eagle
Owl_Eagle wrote: And while I post and contribute to FR, I do make a point to check out Kos. Maybe not everyday, but weekly at least.

I have never ventured that far out, I do venture over to Lucianne.com.

34 posted on 08/04/2006 1:28:19 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
We always "dissent"!

Well, those who "dissent" from (with?) me are filthy, liberal trolls. ;-)

35 posted on 08/04/2006 1:28:31 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

In essence, the behavior Barlas is describing is apparently socially acceptable human behavior, as long as it is beneficial to his point of view, and pocket book. Otherwise, it is quaint and provincial.

Blogs and online forums are hurting the news media, and thus affecting journalists, columnists, and pundits who are realizing they no longer have a captive audience.


36 posted on 08/04/2006 1:29:24 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

"Blogs and online forums are hurting the news media, and thus affecting journalists,"

And the funny thing is, the MSM has their own 'blogs'.

They're called 'editorials'.


37 posted on 08/04/2006 1:30:43 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: AmericanMade1776
We're fighting a deeply religious war, between the Christians (and friends and the Secularists (and friends.) The Islamo-Fascists, and before them, the Communists, are aligned much of the time with the Secularists in having a common enemy - the Christians.

The majority of people don't see the fuss either way, and look on this as a giant food fight between two small groups of left/right wing zealots.

The intellectuals of this majority feel so superior to be above the fray.

38 posted on 08/04/2006 1:30:51 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: coconutt2000

I think we should go over to Line 56 and disent http://www.line56.com/articles/email_editor.asp?ArticleID=7818


39 posted on 08/04/2006 1:31:01 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: AmericanMade1776
WTF is a... Demir?
40 posted on 08/04/2006 1:31:49 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: AmericanMade1776

We know where the Kool aid drinkers really are.


41 posted on 08/04/2006 1:32:16 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Hilarious artcile written from the leftist point of view, no doubt.


42 posted on 08/04/2006 1:32:26 PM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Leftists are a cult


43 posted on 08/04/2006 1:33:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: AmericanMade1776

There is almost as much dissent amoung FR members as there are people on FR. You don't see that on DUthey are all lock step for the most part.

Here we have the big schisms between the Creationists and the Conservative Elvolutionists. We have battles between pro immigration and anti-immigration. Libertarian, Republican, and Randians. There are no such divisions on the other side. They view politics as their religion most of us view it as our natinal duty.


44 posted on 08/04/2006 1:34:03 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: AmericanMade1776

When I think of cults, I think of the Episcopal Church.


45 posted on 08/04/2006 1:34:46 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: AmericanMade1776

Did he post this in a blog? It must be crap.


46 posted on 08/04/2006 1:35:22 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: AmericanMade1776


Good idea....

My comment: It would help if people who write about blogs knew what a blog is. Free Republic is a message board.


Blog is to message board as soliloquy is to town hall meeting.


47 posted on 08/04/2006 1:37:19 PM PDT by gondramB (Named must your fear be before banish it you can.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

I think if you talk with many on FR in a discussion, you get educated well thought out positions of which the poster could go and get you links to sources if need be that are actual.

I think many other places are filled with people of various opinion who are NOT able to equally express a position from a factual point or to factually source it.

I think people off of FR are mostly more emotional and tell you more their feelings rather than compile a bunch of reasoning to give you any form of thinking whatsoever.

That is how I see it.


48 posted on 08/04/2006 1:39:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: pabianice
Aww, come on, we'd all fall apart without JimRob!!

Ok, back to reality - I liked his line about dissent being unthinkable. Maybe he should check out the crevo threads sometime... :)

49 posted on 08/04/2006 1:39:22 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: AmericanMade1776

Geeze, (mostly) lurking at FR I get politics, news, opinion, religion, military, science, art, and humor.

This writer either doesn't know what the word cult means or hasn't spent much time here. I suspect both.


50 posted on 08/04/2006 1:39:26 PM PDT by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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