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Officials: U.S., France reach Mideast resolution (US Appeasement?)
Yahoo/AP ^ | 8/5/2006 | AP

Posted on 08/05/2006 8:00:16 AM PDT by tobyhill

UNITED NATIONS - The United States and France reached agreement Saturday on a U.N. Security Council resolution aimed at ending the fighting between Israel and Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said.

Bolton refused to comment on the text, but an official with knowledge of the document said the draft calls for a “full cessation of violence” between Israel and Hezbollah, but would allow Israel the right to launch strikes if Hezbollah attacks it.

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It won't end until the illegally kidnapped Israeli Soldiers are released.
1 posted on 08/05/2006 8:00:18 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
The United States and France reached agreement Saturday on a U.N. Security Council resolution aimed at ending the fighting between Israel and Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said

Its nice to know that 2 countries not involved have come to terms.

2 posted on 08/05/2006 8:02:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: tobyhill

I guess I'd be asking, if I were Israel, "who do you think you are?"


3 posted on 08/05/2006 8:02:54 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (will you still be all gung ho about euthenasia when your kids want to do it to you?)
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To: GeronL

It's the same as how other countries are always willing to give away Israeli land.


4 posted on 08/05/2006 8:03:41 AM PDT by mrsmel (Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
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To: mrsmel
It's the same as how other countries are always willing to give away Israeli land.

Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten about that.

5 posted on 08/05/2006 8:04:28 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (will you still be all gung ho about euthenasia when your kids want to do it to you?)
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To: tobyhill

When the enemy wants to kill all your people, and you want to achieve peace, then you have been defeated and your enemy is victorious.


6 posted on 08/05/2006 8:04:34 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: tobyhill
I trust Bolton on this; he's earned my trust. And if Israel can attack as soon as the Hezbo's strike, this "cease fire" will last less than 10 minutes.

The Israelis won't agree to this text if it ties their hands too much. I also think they will demand return of their soldiers before any agreement is signed.

7 posted on 08/05/2006 8:05:56 AM PDT by inkling
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To: GeronL
They're not the ones involved in the fighting and don't presume to speak for the parties who are. Its all a exercise in diplomatic make-believe.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

8 posted on 08/05/2006 8:06:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: inkling

Bolton may not have a choice but to come to agreement with the French. Condi is still his boss.


9 posted on 08/05/2006 8:06:49 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: tobyhill

..have you guys even heard the terms yet....sounds more fair to Israel then could have been expected otherwise, plus won't even start till tues...plus any firing by Hezzie and Jews can respond and drop cease fire....plus they don't have to leave the land yet....plus hostages back....no prisoner exchange.....plus plus plus.....I don't think Bolton would lie down....do you......plus I think the Bush Admin is getting worried about Lebanon


10 posted on 08/05/2006 8:06:55 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Thunder90
Bolton may not have a choice but to come to agreement with the French. Condi is still his boss.

But Dubya is Condi's boss. Let's not all assume that the glass if half-empty. We haven't even seen the text.

11 posted on 08/05/2006 8:08:18 AM PDT by inkling
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To: the invisib1e hand
Israel will let the resolution pass and then once, within 2 minutes, the Hezbos will fire another rocket, voiding the resolution, then Israel will resume strikes. We'll call it the world's shortest sanctioned ceasefire.
12 posted on 08/05/2006 8:08:28 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: goldstategop

Taxdollars in Wonderland


13 posted on 08/05/2006 8:09:26 AM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: tobyhill

We'll defend N.Israel to the last Frenchman -- That's a good thing.


14 posted on 08/05/2006 8:10:05 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (I'll have the duck with mango salsa.)
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To: NorCalRepub

Well, no surprise there. Both countries have an interest in ending the hostilities and maintaining stability in the Near-East.


15 posted on 08/05/2006 8:12:06 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: NorCalRepub
The terms aren't bad for Israel but it's not reality because the Hezbos will violate the terms making the US look like village idiots for even involving ourselves while stopping something that is working.
16 posted on 08/05/2006 8:12:27 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
Since Hezbollah will attack Israel, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, this is meaningless and dead on arrival.
17 posted on 08/05/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: tobyhill

I disagree totally....we won't look like idiots at all. It will look like we tried for peace...and Hezzie fu**ed it up so now we can wash our hands of the matter since we did all we could....I think it is a good move....since you know Hezzie will mess up....and then be the bad guys again


18 posted on 08/05/2006 8:15:59 AM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: JasonC
It's irrelevant because we all know thee Hezbos will violate it and they won't hand over the kidnapped soldiers until Iran and Syria lose their base in Lebanon.
19 posted on 08/05/2006 8:17:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: inkling

I think you've hit the key point in this agreement: the Iranian mullocracy and Hezbollah are furious about a number of issues right now, so any cease fire will probably last less than eight hours. Hez is angry about being defeated by Israel while inflicting relatively little damage with their rocket barrages, while Iran is furious that the UN security council is basically united about sanctioning Iran's uranium enrichment program. So within about 8 hours Hez will fire more rockets and the Israeli soldiers and airmen will end up getting a rest and then going out again in less than 24 hours.


20 posted on 08/05/2006 8:18:22 AM PDT by defenderSD ("Rise early, work hard, strike oil." - J. Paul Getty)
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To: tobyhill
because the Hezbos will violate the terms making the US look like village idiots...

No, the "world community" that has been weeping for Hezbollah will look like Village Idiots. We will be proven right in our support for Israel.

21 posted on 08/05/2006 8:18:30 AM PDT by inkling
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To: Mike Darancette
We'll defend N.Israel to the last Frenchman -- That's a good thing.

Exactly. By working directly with the French, it is now in France's interest to keep the peace with their own soldiers.

22 posted on 08/05/2006 8:20:24 AM PDT by inkling
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To: NorCalRepub

I hope you're right but when have we ever got the credit for trying? When things fall apart it's always our fault regardless who violated the terms that we set up.


23 posted on 08/05/2006 8:21:55 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
We'll call it the world's shortest sanctioned ceasefire.

"The Six-Day Ceasefire?"

24 posted on 08/05/2006 8:23:17 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (will you still be all gung ho about euthenasia when your kids want to do it to you?)
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To: tobyhill

however this turns out - israel is on board, they have been in the loop all along, the degree to which they wanted to go in on the ground - was their decision. the US gave them at much room as they wanted.

if this is the endgame - israel wants it.


25 posted on 08/05/2006 8:24:02 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: tobyhill

Great news. Now all US and France has to do is convince terrorists to give up their 72 virgins.


26 posted on 08/05/2006 8:24:16 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Could mecca be Satan's' throne?)
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To: JasonC
"Since Hezbollah will attack Israel, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, this is meaningless and dead on arrival."

Yup.
Exactly how do they propose to get Hizbullah to stop firing rockets again? Or Iran and Syria to stop aupplying these vermin with rockets?

Luckily the Isrealis are not so naive:

"Israeli envoy to U.S.: No cease-fire until soldiers released

To be acceptable to Israel, he said a final UN resolution on ending hostilities would have to include freedom for the soldiers, who could be passed on by Hezbollah to the Lebanese government for release.

Ayalon said Israel was pressing for implementation of UN Resolution 1559, which includes the disarming of Hezbollah and the deployment of the Lebanese Army into southern Lebanon.

In addition, he said there needed to be safeguards included in the resolution to prevent Hezbollah's main backers, Syria and Iran, from shipping arms to militias fighting Israel in southern Lebanon. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1678017/posts
27 posted on 08/05/2006 8:24:37 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: tobyhill
They won't hand them over after the lose their base, either. Give them up, they are gone.
28 posted on 08/05/2006 8:24:39 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Jameison
Yeah, there are wishes and there are horses. Israel won't get any of this stuff. Ever. They also don't have to stop.
29 posted on 08/05/2006 8:25:54 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: takenoprisoner
We won't talk to the Hezbos so their excuse will be that they won't ceasefire until we talk directly to them and then the UN will get on our case about not talking to them. It's the terrorist/UN game they like to play.
30 posted on 08/05/2006 8:28:36 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

Any cease fire that just locks the status quo in place is a defeat for Israel and the USA.


31 posted on 08/05/2006 8:30:43 AM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: JasonC

"They also don't have to stop"

Exactly.


32 posted on 08/05/2006 8:32:10 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: inkling
According to FNC's website:

"It does not say immediate cessation of violence," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft had not yet been made public.

That appeared to be a major victory for the U.S. and Israel. France and many other nations had demanded an immediate halt to the fighting without conditions as a way to push the region back toward stability.

33 posted on 08/05/2006 8:32:26 AM PDT by kesg
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To: tobyhill

This "treaty" or whatever you want to call it is being brokered by two outside parties. Traditionally, each representative would be acting as the trusted friend of one of the combatants. The unspeakable truth is that here France officially gives notice to the world that it is Hezbollah's agent.


34 posted on 08/05/2006 8:37:09 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy
Just heard n MSNBC the Hezbos just rejected the proposal before it was proposed.
35 posted on 08/05/2006 8:41:14 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: inkling
The Israelis won't agree to this text if it ties their hands too much.

Never underestimate Olmert's ability to do the wrong thing for Israel. Many of his countrymen now openly call him a traitor.

36 posted on 08/05/2006 8:46:34 AM PDT by Founding Father (You cannot wage a war in a politically correct manner and win.)
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To: Founding Father
I wish Israel would level a large city in Lebanon like Tyre so that way every time the camel jockeys claim they won Israel can distribute the pictures proving otherwise. In war there is one way to determine a winner, who kills the most and who destroys the most.
37 posted on 08/05/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: NorCalRepub
You are correct in that we will get credit, because at least we tried. And we will get the credit because, I hate to say this, we agreed with the French and therefore we are not pushing for the resolution alone.

Hezbol will mess up and Israel will respond. Also, one key point in the article:

But it does not call for an "immediate cessation of violence," those officials said...
38 posted on 08/05/2006 8:52:32 AM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: tobyhill

"....would allow Israel the right to launch strikes if Hezbollah attacks it."

That sounds like a dealbreaker.


39 posted on 08/05/2006 8:52:59 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Worlds shortest ceasefire.


40 posted on 08/05/2006 8:54:23 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

This is big news. Nothing is more effective than a UN resolution. Israel and Hezbollah will now march hand-in-hand into the sunset as brothers in peace.


41 posted on 08/05/2006 8:55:30 AM PDT by Axhandle
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To: jiggyboy

This "treaty" or whatever you want to call it is being brokered by two outside parties. Traditionally, each representative would be acting as the trusted friend of one of the combatants. The unspeakable truth is that here France officially gives notice to the world that it is Hezbollah's agent.

You've got this wrong. The French hate the Hezbos. In fact, France has suffered from Hezbos terrorism the most next to Israel and perhaps the US. The French are doing two things here. One: They are establishing themselves as a serious player in the region by jerking around the US. Two: They are annoying the hell out of the Hezbos by making an agreement the Hezbos do not want to make.

The Hezbos will die before they accept a deal where they don't get at least one morsal of a victory (Remember these fanatics have demented pride). In the end, the French may get a chance to shoot at the Hezbos as this plays out. Annoy America and annoy the Hezbos all in one day. Not bad.


42 posted on 08/05/2006 8:55:47 AM PDT by Firefox1
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To: tobyhill
Else we forget the results of appeasement...

Peace in our time - Chamberlain Video
43 posted on 08/05/2006 8:55:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JasonC

But aren't the French going to disarm, disband the Hezzies and guarantee the peace?


44 posted on 08/05/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: Axhandle
They'll be singing Kumbaya in the Poppy Fields.
45 posted on 08/05/2006 9:01:31 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: NorCalRepub

Worried about what? I'd be worried too; that's why they have been unequivocal so far. What are you talking about?


46 posted on 08/05/2006 9:02:19 AM PDT by jschwartz
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To: Thunder90


And Bush is Condi's boss.


47 posted on 08/05/2006 9:03:45 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: NorCalRepub

but that is not how the media will report it. Unfortunately, they will lie and distort


48 posted on 08/05/2006 9:07:04 AM PDT by John999
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To: GeronL

The Czech's got the same deal in 1938.


49 posted on 08/05/2006 9:07:08 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: tobyhill

They can reach all the agreements they want to but until the parties directly concerned reach agreement it means squat.


50 posted on 08/05/2006 9:10:01 AM PDT by McGavin999 (God watch over the young lions of Israel as they fight Hell's Bullies)
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