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Globe Columnist: Shamed by Hiroshima, America Was Awaiting 9/11 Payback
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| Mark Finkelstein
Posted on 08/07/2006 6:22:41 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
""Thus, what I am calling the Nagasaki principle consists in momentum, which obfuscates responsibility before the fact, and denial, which prevents a necessary moral reckoning afterward."
I'd feel guiltier if I could figure out what this meant.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:33:10 AM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Unconsciously ashamed of our own action in using the bomb, we were waiting for pay-back, and on that beautiful morning it seemed to come. The smoke rising up from the twin towers hit us like a mushroom cloud, and we instantly dubbed the ruined site as Ground Zero, when, as historian John Dower observes, the only true Ground Zeros are the two in Japan."He sees poetic beauty in the attacks of 9/11.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:33:16 AM PDT
by
pax_et_bonum
(Whatever happened to Cynthia McKinney?)
To: AmericanInTokyo
I can say that Mr. Carroll's column sounds like one of the most idiotic I've ever known to issue from an American news outlet. Given the competition, that's impressive.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:34:23 AM PDT
by
RichInOC
(Stupidity is its own punishment...but too much of the press thinks they're exempt.)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Oh, for crying loud. Not this crap again.
The atom bombs dropped on Japan saved the lives of at least 500,000 American servicemen and several million (yes, several MILLION) Japanese, most of them civilians.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:35:17 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
To: AmericanInTokyo
Yeah, that about covers it.... : )
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:35:21 AM PDT
by
stephenjohnbanker
(Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
To: ChildOfThe60s
These people are generally the ones you find in East Village bookstores, with their Che T-shirts on, reeking of B.O. (especially the unshaved female types), smoking pipes, in their Birkenstocks, and reading boring, socialist tomes one after the other. No real word releveance to anyone here reading this thread this morning.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT
by
AmericanInTokyo
(A few clever bones tossed on gay unions, flag burning & Iraq still don't absolve GWB over BORDERS)
To: dirtboy
My dad was Army Air Corps, back from overseas at the time but waiting to be sent out again if it hadn't been for Hiroshima and the Japanese surrender.
I once asked him his opinion on Truman's decision to use the atomic bomb. He said, "If word got out that he had a weapon that could have ended the war and chose not to use it, someone would have killed him."
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:36:51 AM PDT
by
joylyn
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Good Lord...
The blanket of stupidity that the left is so enveloped in these days makes you feel as if you yourself are suffocating sometimes.
To: Skooz
like I said, here comes the usual "It's August on FR" endless commentaries on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'll wager it will continue at least for 300 posts.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:38:11 AM PDT
by
AmericanInTokyo
(A few clever bones tossed on gay unions, flag burning & Iraq still don't absolve GWB over BORDERS)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Unconsciously ashamed of our own action in using the bomb, we were waiting for pay-back
Unbelievable idiot. This sounds like a pansy who immediately wets himself anytime anyone mentions the word 'nuclear' or 'atomic'. A typical coward though, and likely using the 'fear' of nukes and the modern liberal psychosis against any war/combat of any type to confuse the casual reader into forgetting the crispy cities that came before the nukes.
Dresden and Tokyo were devastated by incendiary bombs, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of civilians were killed in the fire bombings of many cities in WW2.
Someone needs his depends changed.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:38:39 AM PDT
by
Pox
(If it's a Coward you are searching for, you need look no further than the Democrats.)
To: joylyn
Exactly.
Having the bomb in 1945, and not using it, would have been an act of insanity.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:39:03 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
What an epitomy of a USEFUL IDIOT.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:39:19 AM PDT
by
Jeff Head
(www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Thus, what I am calling the Nagasaki principle consists in momentum, which obfuscates responsibility before the fact, and denial, which prevents a necessary..." Sorry Mark, I just couldn't read passed this point. The disconnect between reality and fantasy for the left is painful to digest sometimes.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:39:54 AM PDT
by
subterfuge
(Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Reading Carroll's bio, one senses it is the author, rather than Americans in general, who have 'subiminal,' 'unconscious' issues to resolve."
I'd say Finkelstein has put his finger on it...
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:40:04 AM PDT
by
bwteim
To: governsleastgovernsbest
It would have been immoral and unconcionable to allow the Japanese to continue their fanatical war any longer. They had slaughtered far too many people and had a fight to the death mindset not unlike the moslem world today. The war would have been prolonged and many more including my father would have potentially been killed. Guilt! You've got to be kidding me. The Japanese reaped only a small part of what should have come to them for their deeds. I have never had any feelings of guilt over what we did to end their suicidal war mentality.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:41:26 AM PDT
by
RJS1950
(The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Obviously, we should have waited until Japan got the bomb (they were close). Then, after they nuked San Francisco and Los Angeles, we would have been justified in using our bomb on them. That would have been a proportional response.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:42:03 AM PDT
by
Fresh Wind
(Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
To: Pox
I think even modern day Japanese, some war survivors, many still unforgiving of H and N (the closer you get to these modern, totally rebuilt cities), would be eyes-glazing- over, shaking their heads in disbelief when they heard this crackpot psycho-cultural explanation, and would say "you don't know the Americans, do you? They were never waiting for any such payback. The three events are entirely unrelated."
I had heard some Japanese say "well, now they know the feeling", but that is about as far as it went and I never knew anyone per say who glorified over the 9-11, but only wished the US the best.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:42:57 AM PDT
by
AmericanInTokyo
(A few clever bones tossed on gay unions, flag burning & Iraq still don't absolve GWB over BORDERS)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
As soon as I get over my feelings of guilt about our treatment of the Indians umm, Native Americans, which occurred a century or two before I was born, I will start dealing with my culpability towards the Japanese, who were A-Bombed three years before I was born. Then, there is my continuing guilt about Slavery. And don't forget how my ancestors persecuted the Moors. And, I'm pretty sure I can trace my lineage back to Cain and Abel, on Cain's side.
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT
by
TruthShallSetYouFree
(Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
To: bwteim
I'd say Finkelstein has put his finger on it...That Finkelstein is a freakin' genius, I tell ya!
PS: Governs = Finkelstein!
To: governsleastgovernsbest
My father was on Leyte in 1945 working as an NCO in a motor pool (he was a skilled mechanic). He'd already been told that with the expected casualty rates from an invasion of the Japanese home islands, he could expect to be yanked out of his mechanic job, handed an M1, and sent to Japan as an infantryman--where his chances of survival were marginal.
So all I have to say is, God bless the Manhattan Project.
}:-)4
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posted on
08/07/2006 6:45:29 AM PDT
by
Moose4
(Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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