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Plane plot involved 'explosive cocktail,' official says
CNN.com ^ | 11 August 2006

Posted on 08/10/2006 6:01:33 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Terrorists were in the "final stages" of a plot to simultaneously blow up as many as 10 jets leaving Britain for the U.S., sending the planes and thousands of passengers into the Atlantic Ocean, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday.

British and Pakistani authorities teamed up to thwart the attacks, and 24 men were arrested in overnight raids in Britain, authorities said.

An undercover British agent infiltrated the group, giving the authorities intelligence on the alleged plan, several U.S. government officials said.

The men had not bought plane tickets, the officials said, but they were in the process of perusing the Internet to find flights to various cities that had similar departure times.

Two of the suspects recently traveled to Pakistan and later received money wired from there, senior U.S. government sources said.

Among those arrested were a Muslim charity worker and a Heathrow Airport employee with an all-area access pass, according to Britain's Channel 4.

The suspects were planning to stage a test run within a couple of days, said a U.S. intelligence official.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombplot; fascists; islam; londonairlineplot; madmoozies; pakistan; tatp; terrorism; uk; us
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Thank the Lord they were stopped!

Liberal attitudes in government would have almost certainly seen them succeed!

1 posted on 08/10/2006 6:01:34 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

"The suspects were planning to stage a test run within a couple of days, said a U.S. intelligence official."

This will be interesting if they expand on this ... were they planing on seeing if they could get onboard with chapstick ( which is now banned ) ?


2 posted on 08/10/2006 6:07:15 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Aussie Dasher

hang 'the suspects'...plain and simple . We need to start making an example of any that would even attempt to do things like this . Silence the bleeding hearts and hang the terrorist bastards . No mercy . Hang them and then feed their bodies to sharks . Terrify them . It's the only way .


3 posted on 08/10/2006 6:10:06 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Aussie Dasher

Watch the spin from the left....

"Nothing was going to happen today."

"They hadn't even done their dry-run."

"They weren't going to do anything for some time to come"

"They were entrapped, they never would have come up with this plot on their own."

Add your own....


4 posted on 08/10/2006 6:11:07 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I agree with the Hanging idea. But feed their bodies to pigs and then drop the pigs over Lahore.


5 posted on 08/10/2006 6:12:22 PM PDT by Prost1 ((We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!"))
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To: Aussie Dasher

I bet as soon as CNN learns what the "explosive cocktail" is, they'll publish it along with where to get the ingredients.


6 posted on 08/10/2006 6:14:06 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

if you want to see some lunatic rantings, put on a hazmat suit and venture over to the DU..they have every conspiracy theory known to man going..


7 posted on 08/10/2006 6:17:53 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: DBrow

"I bet as soon as CNN learns what the "explosive cocktail" is..."

Check the Old Mr. Boston Book ...


8 posted on 08/10/2006 6:18:49 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Aussie Dasher

I think I'll have me a vodka.


9 posted on 08/10/2006 6:20:58 PM PDT by Porterville (Hispanic Republican American Bush Supporter)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Sounds like these poor, destitute foreigners were not given rights to privacy, their right to commit a crime before being arrested, or their rights to move about freely.
10 posted on 08/10/2006 6:22:10 PM PDT by HighWheeler (Whenever a Kennedy is piloting a vehicle near water, someone is going to die.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

"Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent."


11 posted on 08/10/2006 6:22:15 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Two of the suspects recently traveled to Pakistan and later received money wired from there, senior U.S. government sources said.

Looks like these suspects forgot to read the NY Times article on our wire transfer monitoring program. More likely they wired the money before the program was exposed by the Times. I remember the editor of the Times claiming their story did not hurt the war on terror because everyone knew we were monitoring money transfers.

12 posted on 08/10/2006 6:23:33 PM PDT by double_down
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To: DBrow

don't forget they'll also say in what proportions everything must be mixed as well as the best way to implement an ignition device..


13 posted on 08/10/2006 6:24:22 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"An undercover British agent infiltrated the group"

This is the way these plots are stopped. Wiretapping and money tracking help but infiltration is what counts.

There are US agents doing horrible, disgusting things to maintain their positions in terrible organizations- we owe them an unpayable debt.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

14 posted on 08/10/2006 6:24:59 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

LOL..I use firefox and have them up on another tab..it's funnier than the blue collar tour..and what's truly funny is they believe that sh*t..


15 posted on 08/10/2006 6:25:59 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I guess you missed Kennedy today then? this is a prime example of a Bush failure because he is fighting the Iraq war. He is characterizing this detecting and stopping of a bomb plot as a failure in security and says we wasted resources fighting in Iraq. Only the dimwit party could come up with that.

Pelosi and several others have all been giving out with this talking point and I suppose they will try to build it into something leading up to the Nov elections!

16 posted on 08/10/2006 6:27:08 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Porterville

Try this mixture: unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) fuel and inhibited red fuming nitric acid (IRFNA) oxidizer. Simply keep separated until needed. Corrosive as all get out, but for a short period of time that really does not matter.


17 posted on 08/10/2006 6:28:12 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Aussie Dasher
From a different story:

Arrests made during the morning included Waheed Zaman, a biochemistry student, and Amin Asmin Tariq, a Heathrow security worker. Mr Zaman, who sat on London Metropolitan University’s Student Council as a representative of the Islamic Society, is well known in the community.

not just an airport worker, a security worker. A security worker named Amin Asmin Tariq. Now I wonder who processed his clearance?

18 posted on 08/10/2006 6:28:15 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Oops, this line on post 16,this is a prime example of a Bush failure because he is fighting the Iraq war,should read: Kennedy says this is a prime example of a Bush failure because he is fighting the Iraq war.
19 posted on 08/10/2006 6:29:50 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: SLB

They used a peroxide two part solution. Exactly what the other part was they haven't said. I gather there are several things that could have been used and I am sure all this is common knowledge of a lot of terrorists.


20 posted on 08/10/2006 6:31:30 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: calex59

That's a dumb talking point.


21 posted on 08/10/2006 6:36:02 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: calex59

I miss Kennedy, every chance I get.

;-)


22 posted on 08/10/2006 6:36:59 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Muslims are sick pathetic excuses for life. They are animals. If they convert to Christianity, Hinduism or even atheism, they might can step up the so called evolutionary chain.


23 posted on 08/10/2006 6:38:55 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Join FR Team 36120 at http://folding.stanford.edu {Protein Folding Project})
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To: calex59

It's not that easy to obtain peroxide in high concentration, though it is possible for industrial usage. The stuff you buy in the drugstore is 97% water, and even the kind used for hair coloring is at most 12% active (88% water).

But I bet peroxide will now go on the list of substances for industries to track.


24 posted on 08/10/2006 6:39:43 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: NonValueAdded

And according to our local ABC channel, Mr. Tariq had a pass that allowed him access to the entire airport.


25 posted on 08/10/2006 6:41:15 PM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: calex59
They used a peroxide two part solution

Simple to make and use. Especially simple if no ignition source is needed.

26 posted on 08/10/2006 6:42:14 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: monkeyshine
The stuff you buy in the drugstore is 97% water, and even the kind used for hair coloring is at most 12% active (88% water).

Go to a swimming pool supply company. I am not certain, but if memory is correct they have some peroxide solutions that are in the neighborhood of 90%. Use only a couple of gallons in a 20,000 gallon pool.

27 posted on 08/10/2006 6:44:43 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: calex59

Oooh..

Don't say peroxide.

I had a bad experience at work about seven years ago with peroxide (10%) and H2SO4.

To this day, I'm the only one who knows about it.

Shhhh........


28 posted on 08/10/2006 6:44:49 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: mrsmith

***There are US agents doing horrible, disgusting things to maintain their positions in terrible organizations- we owe them an unpayable debt.*****

I didnt know we had any agents in the Congressional Black caucus.


29 posted on 08/10/2006 6:45:53 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Well I wasn't going to mention the acids but since you brought it up:) Sulfuric acid is one you can use and a strong concentration of hydrogen peroxide. This is what they were going to be using in some kind of slurry solution in a false bottom of sports drink bottles. The slurry would be died to match the color of the drinks.


30 posted on 08/10/2006 6:47:45 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: monkeyshine

The highest I have seen is 70%. I think though that what would be used would be organic peroxides which are very unstable - which could be used as an initiator. They can be set off by shock or heat. And yes, they are easy to get if you are in the chemical industry.


31 posted on 08/10/2006 6:48:29 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Just Say No to Skankles)
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To: calex59

Same talking point with Reid.

Do these people think we are stupid or what?


32 posted on 08/10/2006 6:48:37 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around.)
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To: DBrow
"they'll publish it along with where to get the ingredients"

And why shouldn't they? Though, I'm sure they won't...

The terrorists already know how to make the stuff...and out of curiosity, I'd like to know how to make it. One never knows when you'll have to blow a stump out of the ground.

33 posted on 08/10/2006 6:48:40 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: SLB

They were supposedly going to use the flash batteries from a disposable camera to ignite the mixture. I suspect they were going to use a cheap timer. This was not a suicide mission I don't think.


34 posted on 08/10/2006 6:48:59 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: calex59

It gets REALLY hot.


35 posted on 08/10/2006 6:49:05 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: All
Liquid explosives are nothing new to terrorists. A suicide bomber used some in the 1980's to bring down an airliner.
36 posted on 08/10/2006 6:50:01 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: not2worry

Yes, the dimwits think they are the only intelligent people around, therefore we must be dumber than dirt.


37 posted on 08/10/2006 6:50:31 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Why do I keep thinking of my grandpa's dentures?

* * * *

Be smart. Motive, Means, Opportunity. The old murder standards. Current screening only removes a large chunk of the means, and the awareness of the public and post-Flight 93 readiness to repell a hijacking on the spot removes 99.9% (or more) of the opportunity. The shoe bomber Reid case shoes how that works -- he had the means, even past screening, yet was DENIED the opportunity.

And in the greater field, the invasion of Afganistan and Iraq, and now Lebannon (by our brother Israel) also have removed whole hives of "means" -- of mean, vile men set to terror and murder.

But we do nothing -- zero, zilch, nada -- at the gates regarding MOTIVE.

And what is the "motive"? Why it is the evil teachings of the particular Muslim sub-sects and significant groups of clerics. Me -- I say those "clerics" who continue to teach jihad as death to infidels, and who teach in any way that to die as a suicide bomber is a gloried matrydom -- those clerics are war criminals of the most genocidal murderous type. No more, no more, no more -- not one day longer should we allow them to teach or speak to any ptotential student or reach out to any by writing, recording, internet, media -- any thing or any re-teller. They are the Hitlers and Mussolinis of our era -- worse -- by their words and teachings they commit acts unbearable by humanity. By delivering and encouraging those teachings and hatred to the young and to the gullible mobs, to the poor -- the mullahs, the imans, the ayatollahs commit murder.

It is they who provide the motive. We must focus on removing the motive -- it is the only area to which we have given no attention. And that is the window through which the missiles fly, the break in the circle of defenders through which good dads become mourners for their good sons, and mothers, grandmothers, daughters and children are viciously slaughtered.

Go against the driving forces -- the motive. The teachings and the teachers.

38 posted on 08/10/2006 6:50:47 PM PDT by bvw
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To: monkeyshine
It's not that easy to obtain peroxide in high concentration, though it is possible for industrial usage. The stuff you buy in the drugstore is 97% water, and even the kind used for hair coloring is at most 12% active (88% water). But I bet peroxide will now go on the list of substances for industries to track.

Yes, apparently it was a very strong solution of peroxide and the other part was sulfuric acid, to be set off with batteries from the flash of a disposable camera.

39 posted on 08/10/2006 6:52:54 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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40 posted on 08/10/2006 6:53:28 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: calex59

I don't know if that would take down a jet. Now, if they used hydrogen peroxide, citric acid, and hexamine.... HMDT. Big bada boom.


41 posted on 08/10/2006 6:56:50 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Just Say No to Skankles)
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To: Mariner

Why assume that ALL of the terrorists know how to make this apparently novel explosive?

Like isolated Islamofacist supporters (perhaps in Norman OK), who may need the information to act independently?

If a major news outlet publishes the info far and wide, I bet it reaches people who do not now have it, some of whom may choose to act on it.

You have expressed a desire to learn how to synthesize and potentially use a high explosive (in a public forum no less!), admitting that you don't have the formula right now but you'd like to get it. Could there not be a few others like you, willing to act?

And what if one or twenty of the people who get the information don't live where there are a bunch of stumps?

I think that information that the enemy can exploit should remain under wraps. The mall it saves could be your own.


42 posted on 08/10/2006 6:59:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Tuxedo; monkeyshine; not2worry; ButThreeLeftsDo

Ok, it was a TATP peroxide mixture. There is a thread on FR right now explaining the US involvement in the operation. TATP I understand is very volatile and quite capable of taking severely damaging an airliner.


43 posted on 08/10/2006 7:00:51 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: mrsmith
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

My favorite Winston Churchill quote...

44 posted on 08/10/2006 7:01:09 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: Aussie Dasher

If the rats weren't so concerned it would have energized this nation, they would like to see them succeed. So instead, once again, they jumped on the blame us first bandwagon in step saying Iraq policies caused it. As if they hadn't declared war on us years ago. I am spitting angry.


45 posted on 08/10/2006 7:03:12 PM PDT by ladyinred (Thank God the Brits don't have a New York Times!)
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To: DBrow

Actually, it is pretty easy to make a lot of high explosives from readily available household chemicals. The problem is not in the manufacture, but knowing how to handle and store them. I'd suspect most people would blow themselves up trying to make something from such crude sources. And the info is readily available on the internet, and most chemists could do it in their sleep. In the case of HMDT, the precursor hexamine is likely to be picked up by a trained dog. The danger of hydrogen peroxide is that it is odorless.


46 posted on 08/10/2006 7:04:34 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Just Say No to Skankles)
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To: DBrow
Look, everyone knows that to blow up a mall you need diesel and fertilizer...

That said, I see your point. No need to educate the aspiring jihadi in Norman, or Tacoma for that matter.

47 posted on 08/10/2006 7:07:02 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: monkeyshine

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/program/sotf/appendixa.htm

It already is watched, by DEA.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/listofexp.htm

And the peroxide explosives are watched by BATFE.


48 posted on 08/10/2006 7:07:24 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: calex59

Triacetone triperoxide. Hoo-boy.... bold fellows. It is formed in chem labs by accident - usually when you store incompatible (won't say which ones) reagents together and get a spill.


49 posted on 08/10/2006 7:08:06 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Just Say No to Skankles)
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To: not2worry
Do these people think we are stupid or what?

...as a matter of fact, yeah, that is what they think. ... and then we have Connecticut confirming that for them.

50 posted on 08/10/2006 7:09:39 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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