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Join a network of citizens who are saying Abolish the IRS and Give Us A Fair Tax
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Posted on 08/12/2006 5:59:58 AM PDT by Man50D

About the Petition: It contains more than 55,000 pages … It is so complex that even those who wrote it don’t fully understand it. The “it” is the federal tax code, and more and more Americans are demanding that the time has come to abolish the IRS in favor of a “Fair Tax” system.


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KEYWORDS: fairtax; hr25; s25; taxes; taxreform
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To: Mojave
It's not a "prebate". The entitlement payment, set by estimates of poverty levels, is made regardless of the taxes paid by the recipient, if any.

Okay, if you actually believe that you can exist on spending less than the 12K/year or whatever the poverty level happens to be. Good luck...

121 posted on 08/12/2006 12:21:26 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: Principled
[NRST taxation doesn't reach to all spending.]

It's not clear what you're babbling about

Don't lie. The massive new federal tax you're promoting is on retail sales of new items.

If a recipient of your welfare scheme uses his monthly dole at the Salvation Army store, he pays no tax. If he goes back to Mexico for a month and spends his NRST entitlement check there, he pays no tax. And when he gets back, a fresh new NRST entitlement payment will be waiting for him.

122 posted on 08/12/2006 12:21:34 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: ovrtaxt
Okay, if you actually believe that you can exist on spending less than the 12K/year or whatever the poverty level happens to be. Good luck...

By your "reasoning", food stamps are tax refunds.

123 posted on 08/12/2006 12:22:42 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
You don't get a lot of things.

The nrst has a characteristic that it exempts a certain level of spending. It doesn't matter if the spending is on books (hint hint) or salvation army socks.

124 posted on 08/12/2006 12:23:27 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Eccl 10:2

sorry, but I am just being realistic....it ain't gonna happen.....


125 posted on 08/12/2006 12:23:39 PM PDT by xxyyxx
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To: Mojave

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2001/income.txt

Until I can tell you've looked at it, I'll keep posting it to you. It will make you feel really foolish.


126 posted on 08/12/2006 12:24:40 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
The nrst has a characteristic that it exempts a certain level of spending.

Whether it occurs or not. Whether it's taxable or not. The dole goes out regardless.

127 posted on 08/12/2006 12:26:24 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; Principled
"Don't buy a toothbrush at a garage sale."

Robin Williams

lol

128 posted on 08/12/2006 12:26:24 PM PDT by groanup (Anti fair taxers are profiting from the IRS. How can they sleep?)
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To: RobFromGa; Man50D
The number of Fair Tax supporters is 700,000 and growing

Actually it is a great deal larger number than that. Several million in fact when you add up all the organizations, such as the Farm Bureau, which have endorsed and are actively pursuing enactment of HR25, the Fairtax Bill.

129 posted on 08/12/2006 12:26:30 PM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: groanup
"Don't buy a toothbrush at a garage sale."

Don't call a welfare payment a tax refund.

130 posted on 08/12/2006 12:27:24 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Principled
Until I can tell you've looked at it, I'll keep posting it to you.

Strawman by proxy.

131 posted on 08/12/2006 12:28:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Man50D
The number of Fair Tax supporters is 700,000 and growing. I suggest you visit The Americans For Fair Taxation website to get the correct information regarding the Fair Tax.

I have visited the website before. OK, let me rephrase the question. Realistically speaking, what would it take to eliminate the IRS and institute the Fair Tax? They aren't going to change the tax code just because even 700,000 citizens sign a petition. I'm not sure they'd change it if 7 million signed it.

132 posted on 08/12/2006 12:29:18 PM PDT by Fairview
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To: Bigun; ancient_geezer
With the flat income tax you still have the gestapo

Godwin's Law plus Tax Protest crack-pottery.

133 posted on 08/12/2006 12:31:15 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Don't call a welfare payment a tax refund.

How much of a welfare payment did you get last April?

134 posted on 08/12/2006 12:34:08 PM PDT by groanup (Anti fair taxers are profiting from the IRS. How can they sleep?)
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To: groanup
How much of a welfare payment did you get last April?

You're getting the EITC?

135 posted on 08/12/2006 12:36:09 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

You call it a dole when it goes to Bill Gates and you call it a dole when it goes to Joe Wino. What do you call it when you involuntarily pay into a retirement system and the proceeds are used to dole out political favors instead of being saved for your retirement? What do you call it when you involuntarily give up your income because some manufacturer wants tax credits for his new solar heater? What do you call it when all of your financial records are open to an organization with over 100,000 employees?


136 posted on 08/12/2006 12:38:50 PM PDT by groanup (Anti fair taxers are profiting from the IRS. How can they sleep?)
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To: hosepipe
America is become more socialist not less.. Odds of this happening ZERO...

Many people thought women getting the right to vote was impossible but a well organized grassroots effort resulted in the 19th amendment. The Fair Tax grassroots movement is just as well organized.
137 posted on 08/12/2006 12:41:15 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax You earn it . You keep it!)
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To: xxyyxx
sorry, but I am just being realistic....it ain't gonna happen.....

Good thing George Washington didn't think that when he was considering to cross the Delaware to attack Trenton.
138 posted on 08/12/2006 12:44:09 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax You earn it . You keep it!)
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To: groanup
What do you call it when you involuntarily pay into a retirement system and the proceeds are used to dole out political favors instead of being saved for your retirement?

Sounds like the NRST taxation of money spent from retirement savings in order to create the largest entitlement system in history.

139 posted on 08/12/2006 12:44:20 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2001/income.txt

Look at the data. It always occurs.
You still haven't looked at it, have you! It's plain as day. I'm beginning to feel sorry for you.


140 posted on 08/12/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by Principled
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