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Original moon landing film lost
London Daily Telegraph via The Washington Times ^ | August 14, 2006 | Robert Colvile

Posted on 08/13/2006 10:31:14 PM PDT by seacapn

The original film footage of astronaut Neil Armstrong's first steps on the moon, one of the most important artifacts of the 20th century, has been lost.

The television broadcast seen by about 600 million people in July 1969 is preserved for posterity, but the original tapes from which the footage was taken have been mislaid, most likely in NASA's vast archives at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

The footage could transform our view of the moon landings, offering images far sharper than the blurred, grainy video shown around the world. It also could lay to rest the conspiracy theory that the landings were faked on a Hollywood soundstage.

Despite its iconic status, the television footage was the equivalent of a photocopy of a photocopy. It came from a camera that had been pointed at a black-and-white monitor on Earth. The image on the monitor, in turn, had been stripped of much of its detail.

To make sure the transmission would make it back to Earth, the images sent from Apollo 11 were recorded at 10 frames per second, and had to be converted to 60 frames per second in order to be broadcast. In the process, much of the detail was lost.

Stan Lebar, now 81, was in charge of the images from Apollo 11. What he saw was so blurred that he initially thought something had gone wrong.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: apollo11; artbell; conspiracy; film; gramsci; incompetence; missing; moonlanding; nasa; preservation
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Another issue:

Goddard is also home to the only equipment that can still play the tapes, which use an obsolete 14-inch format -- equipment that was due to be dismantled in October until Mr. Nafzger intervened.

This is an issue that is getting bigger as technology changes, and formats shift. Not just for big organizations, either.

1 posted on 08/13/2006 10:31:14 PM PDT by seacapn
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To: seacapn

Paging Sandy Burglar...

OH, and...

BUSH'S FAULT!!


2 posted on 08/13/2006 10:32:40 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: seacapn

Interesting.


3 posted on 08/13/2006 10:33:19 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: seacapn
It also could lay to rest the conspiracy theory that the landings were faked on a Hollywood soundstage.

It never could. Nothing can squelch a conspiracy theory. They will always hold onto their paranoid delusions no matter what.

4 posted on 08/13/2006 10:33:56 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: seacapn

Check the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor (or Hillary's coat pockets).


5 posted on 08/13/2006 10:34:38 PM PDT by rvoitier (Democrat Party, not Democratic Party.)
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To: seacapn

6 posted on 08/13/2006 10:34:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: seacapn

All they need to do is go back to the Hollywood soundstage where they filmed the "moon landing" and check in the basement. It's gotta be down there somewhere.


7 posted on 08/13/2006 10:36:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RandallFlagg

Its another coverup by Bush. Now where is my tinfoil hat.


8 posted on 08/13/2006 10:36:25 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: seacapn

Well, there's not much we can do except go back to the moon and do it all over again. Hopefully everybody remembers their lines this next time around.


9 posted on 08/13/2006 10:36:53 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: seacapn

It's not lost. The government is hiding it becuase the tape shows illegal aliens in the background. And they're doing jobs that no American will do.


10 posted on 08/13/2006 10:38:03 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: seacapn

Yea well, who was going to pull out the Super 8 projector and look at 'em again anyhow. The movies of my first step have been in the closet unlooked at for years. Who would know the difference if they turned out not to be there.

Besides, have you see how much the bulbs are for those Super 8 projectors?


11 posted on 08/13/2006 10:39:50 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: seacapn

NASA apparently loses a lot of artifacts. Didn't they recently discover a prototype spacesuit?


12 posted on 08/13/2006 10:41:32 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: seacapn

Mislaid, my hindquarters. Someone made a ton of money off of selling that on the black market.


13 posted on 08/13/2006 10:42:09 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: seacapn
This film no doubt has it's own reward's. . .and ours; and it's own redemption as to the authenticity of the moon landing. . .

. . .but NOTHING will lay to rest the conspiracy theories; save the improbable event of 'brain transplants' of all moon conspiracists. . .

14 posted on 08/13/2006 10:42:46 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: seacapn

For all of us who believe the moon landing to be fiction this just lends more credence to the conspiracy theory. This and the first ever interview with Neil Armstrong on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago. No wonder he doesn't get interviewed about the moon landing. He had absolutely nothing of substance to relate. You would think that someone who had walked on the moon would be dying to give interviews. Not so with all those who say they walked on the moon.


15 posted on 08/13/2006 10:46:32 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever

?


16 posted on 08/13/2006 10:48:54 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: seacapn
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17 posted on 08/13/2006 10:49:45 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: taxesareforever

Well, at least they obviously plan to reshoot a newer version with better special effects, once they pretend to have found the tapes again, of course.


18 posted on 08/13/2006 10:53:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv

Great post. That never crossed my mind but certainly has a lot of substance to it.


19 posted on 08/13/2006 10:55:22 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: seacapn

If we could find it, I bet there are some very talented freepers that could probably tell us if it's real or not:')


20 posted on 08/13/2006 10:58:37 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: seacapn
This makes you wonder how many Liberal idiots we got working in government positions that are willing to steal and destroy important US documents and such, like Sandy BurgLer, to advance their own sick and twisted political agenda.

One day the US Constitution is going to disappear.
21 posted on 08/13/2006 11:00:52 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: AntiGuv

Well, at least they obviously plan to reshoot a newer version with better special effects, once they pretend to have found the tapes again, of course.
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Ah, the Moon Made of Cheese Deluxe Extended Director's Cut Edition is coming!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So this will come out on a special 5 disc dvd set? Also, will it be available on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?

Will Jar Jar Binks be inserted into the picture?

I will only double dip if it comes in amamorphic widescreen for my HDTV.


22 posted on 08/13/2006 11:02:01 PM PDT by racing fan (Go Team Israel!)
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To: Lancey Howard

That might interfere with all the other space films we are producing. The Shuttle, Space Station...


23 posted on 08/13/2006 11:02:11 PM PDT by Dallas59 (WHAT THE HELL ARE MUSLIMS DOING IN AMERICA???)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The paper it is written on may disappear, but the ideals it represents will NEVER fade away!


24 posted on 08/13/2006 11:02:40 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: taxesareforever

The moon landing was real ..Knock it off .


25 posted on 08/13/2006 11:03:29 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: sonic109

How do you know?


26 posted on 08/13/2006 11:05:35 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Im not even going to get into it with someone who thinks th emoon landing was faked. I'm sure you believe the worl is flat as well.


27 posted on 08/13/2006 11:09:18 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: CindyDawg

Your not serious asking that are you?


28 posted on 08/13/2006 11:09:29 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: taxesareforever

"For all of us who believe the moon landing to be fiction this..."


uh, I would suggest you go over to Democratic Underground. Freepers have more sense then this. Really. It is sick to deny history. It's right up there with saying the holocaust never happened.


29 posted on 08/13/2006 11:13:34 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: BJungNan
Besides, have you see how much the bulbs are for those Super 8 projectors?

About $12-$20 or so. Not too bad, really, since they'll probably last as long as you need 'em. If you're willing to accept used bulbs, they're even cheaper but the lifetime is unpredictable.

30 posted on 08/13/2006 11:17:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: CindyDawg
How do you know?

Man-made artifacts, especially corner reflector arrays, are detectable at the claimed landing sites. The only way they could have gotten there would have been to have sent some sort of spacecraft to the moon. Given that people could see when we launched our spacecraft, and given that we said where we were going, we must have had some means of getting the spacecraft to hit lunar targets chosen in advance. Did we have technology in 1969 to do that with unmanned spacecraft?

31 posted on 08/13/2006 11:21:09 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: pcottraux
Nothing can squelch a conspiracy theory. They will always hold onto their paranoid delusions no matter what.

Correct. Jonathan Swift put it best:

It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

32 posted on 08/13/2006 11:23:47 PM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: advance_copy

> The government is hiding it becuase the tape shows illegal aliens in the background

Trust Nobody.
The Truth is Out There...


33 posted on 08/13/2006 11:24:40 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: taxesareforever

[For all of us who believe the moon landing to be fiction this just lends more credence to the conspiracy theory. This and the first ever interview with Neil Armstrong on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago. No wonder he doesn't get interviewed about the moon landing. He had absolutely nothing of substance to relate. You would think that someone who had walked on the moon would be dying to give interviews. Not so with all those who say they walked on the moon.]



All of the astronauts who walked on the moon give interviews all the time, including Neil Armstrong. I don't know where you got the idea that they don't, but I've seen, heard and read many of them.

Armstrong has a well deserved reputation for being a very uninteresting interview, however, as he has an almost robotic personality and shows little emotion or enthusiasm for anything, but that's just his character.

Anyone who thinks that the moon landings were a hoax needs to explain how the literally thousands of people directly involved in its success would stick to the lie for decades without ONE of them spilling the beans. It's not plausible to believe a conspiracy of this magnitude could exist and the astronauts, engineers and physicists who vouch for its authenticity is compelling.


34 posted on 08/13/2006 11:27:12 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The government is hiding it becuase the tape shows illegal aliens in the background

Hahahaha... i should have thought about that!

35 posted on 08/13/2006 11:33:24 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (Never Give Your Enemy (ROP) A Foothold.)
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To: seacapn

LOST!? The original footage of one of science's greatest feats of the 20th Century... lost?


36 posted on 08/13/2006 11:37:30 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: spinestein
Armstrong has a well deserved reputation for being a very uninteresting interview, however, as he has an almost robotic personality and shows little emotion or enthusiasm for anything, but that's just his character.

True. It is also one of the things that made him a very good astronaut. His coolheaded response to the Gemini 8 spin accident outside of radio range is what earned him the commander's seat to Apollo 11.

37 posted on 08/13/2006 11:38:58 PM PDT by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: seacapn

Guy at the other end of our office complex is a major vintage tech guru. He recently recovered all the original initial photo's from the Spanish Treasure fleet salvage because it was all archaic format...


38 posted on 08/13/2006 11:40:16 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: pillut48

OJ is still looking for the real astronauts.


39 posted on 08/13/2006 11:41:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: seacapn

I wonder how much the lucky collector paid for it.


40 posted on 08/13/2006 11:42:07 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: CindyDawg

Authenticity to be determined by the presence or absence of serifs on the letters in the closed captioning.


41 posted on 08/13/2006 11:43:55 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: spinestein
Why would anyone disbelieve the moon landings? I wasn't alive at the time. HOWEVER, I have seen - twice, in person - the 747 with the shuttle on top fly over: once over my school in Seabrook, Texas, and once over my house in Burlington, Washington, in 1986.

If we have a real shuttle that can launch into orbit, with all the complexity that entails, why could we not send a man to the moon?

42 posted on 08/13/2006 11:50:04 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: burzum

Here's a link to an extensive interview Neil Armstrong did in 2001 for the purpose of recording his Apollo mission recollections for posterity.

It's a 106 page transcript and a gold mine of information.





http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/oral_histories/ArmstrongNA/ArmstrongNA_9-19-01.pdf


43 posted on 08/14/2006 12:09:35 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule)
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To: Lexinom
To be fair, the technology of the space shuttle (my dad worked on the prototype Enterprise) is leaps and bounds beyond that which we used to get to the moon. Did you ever see Apollo 13? It's accurate, they practically had to graph their descent path, write all their variables down and solve for X. It was analog space travel, like using an abacus instead of a calculator.

The technology was prehistoric but I don't doubt that we went there. You can't keep a secret that big for this long, especially considering the amount of people that would been involved in such a staging. It's common sense, the same thing I personally use to debunk all those retarded 9/11 conspiracy theories [tangent] - do you mean to tell me that the government (or someone else?) had all those poor people on the planes taken from the airport, put in a room, told to call their loved ones and say that terrorists had hijacked their plane, and then had them simply disappear? And what of the hijackers? How were they (or someone else) forced to fly airplanes into buildings? Could any sane individual REALLY believe that someone in the government would kill 3,000 people and go through all this trouble... for what? To start a prolonged war on unfamiliar soil, any possible economic benefits of which would be crushed by the costs of the war itself?

Wait, haven't libs always been saying that Pres. Bush is stupid and childish? But other libs think he's an evil, diabolical mastermind? Which is it?[/tangent]

Back to the topic at hand, I find it stunning that someone so irresponsible could be entrusted to keep track of something so important. I hope this gets found someday, it would be a real damn shame if it's still sitting in some basement by the time The Man Upstairs starts His comeback tour...
44 posted on 08/14/2006 12:13:40 AM PDT by Zeon Cowboy ("We must all fear evil men, but there is another kind of evil which we should fear most...")
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To: Lexinom
The technology needed to put a payload into orbit has been around since Sputnik. THAT was no hoax. The engineering behind rocketry has enjoyed an undeserved reputation for being at the limit of human capability, but to tell the truth, rocket science ain't really rocket science.

Building the container to keep astronauts alive in while in space is also easier than it's popular image. It just took a whole lot of money, time and manpower to build the necessary infrastructure for the program, and then to build the vehicles themselves, and finally test them and refine them to make sure they would continue to work properly in spite of their complexity.

Within the next few years it looks as if there will be private space vehicles actually transporting people into orbit, and when that becomes commonplace the people who claimed that traveling to the moon is fiction are going to look silly.
45 posted on 08/14/2006 12:24:38 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule)
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To: Zeon Cowboy

[I find it stunning that someone so irresponsible could be entrusted to keep track of something so important.]


Really there are only two LIKELY possibilities:

1) It was misfiled and will turn up on a different shelf during a thorough search

2) It was pilfered by an insider and it will turn up at some point in the future after the person who took it can't be in jeopardy for theft anymore



The Apollo moon landing is arguably the greatest single event achievement of humanity to date and the original film of its happening would be a profound loss.


46 posted on 08/14/2006 12:35:04 AM PDT by spinestein (Follow The Brazen Rule)
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To: pillut48

Put your hands above your head and back slowly away from the keyboard!

47 posted on 08/14/2006 12:38:26 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: spinestein
Here is another take on the tapes that tends to agree with your #1.
48 posted on 08/14/2006 12:47:01 AM PDT by cabojoe
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To: BJungNan

I would like to offer you some advice.

go dig up those old tapes/reels, find a place that will convert them onto CD, and then you can ged rid of them. We had some 8mm tape from around 1980 of me playing soccer with friends etc....and today it's gone...FOREVER

I recently took several old VCR tapes of family reunions, birthday parties etc.... and had them converted to DVD for $20 each. the quality is fine and now I dont care if the tapes get lost.

To everyone out there that has all there old vacations from the 80's on vcr tape sitting in the basement, do yourself a favor and get them transferred to a CD or other modern median.
It's YOUR history.


49 posted on 08/14/2006 1:00:19 AM PDT by Jaysin
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To: BJungNan

I would like to offer you some advice.

go dig up those old tapes/reels, find a place that will convert them onto CD, and then you can ged rid of them. We had some 8mm tape from around 1980 of me playing soccer with friends etc....and today it's gone...FOREVER

I recently took several old VCR tapes of family reunions, birthday parties etc.... and had them converted to DVD for $20 each. the quality is fine and now I dont care if the tapes get lost.

To everyone out there that has all there old vacations from the 80's on vcr tape sitting in the basement, do yourself a favor and get them transferred to a CD or other modern median.
It's YOUR history.


50 posted on 08/14/2006 1:00:21 AM PDT by Jaysin
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