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'China-level' Christian persecution coming: court's ruling in Houston Bible case 'breath-taking'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 17 Aug 06 | WND

Posted on 08/17/2006 8:21:56 PM PDT by xzins

'China-level' Christian persecution coming: Pastors say court's ruling in Houston Bible case 'breath-taking'

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 17, 2006 5:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Houston's Bible monument

A few more court decisions like this week's over a display of a Bible in Houston and the United States will be approaching the "China-level" for Christian persecution, according to a leader in the midst of that battle.

The ruling from the Fifth Court of Appeals said the display of a Bible on public ground in Houston to honor the founder of a mission has to go, not because it was unconstitutional itself, but because it became unconstitutional when a Christian group rallied around it.

The pastor's group said that means any monument, building, or even feature of nature is an illegal "establishment of religion" if a church ceremony is held there.

"Connecting the dots between the eminent domain case, which says all of your churches are up for grabs if a town wants a mall, secondly you now have been told you do not have constitutional rights in the public square," Dave Welch, executive director of the Houston Area Pastors Conference, told WorldNetDaily.

"Any kind of an event is okay, as long as you didn't express any religious faith. What is that telling you?

"We're not persecuted yet, we know that. But we're on our way there. Add that to the surprising acceptance of militant Islam, the fear of speaking against that from a Christian standpoint and then we're dangerously approaching the point where we have literally given away and yielded our freedoms that were earned," Welch said.

"We have history, law and the founding fathers who adopted the Constitution collectively affirming the truth expressed by revered Justice Joseph Story in 1840 that, 'We are not to attribute this prohibition of a national religious establishment to an indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity,'" said a statement issued by the pastor's group.

Welch told WND that the court's conclusion was "ludicrous" and if followed logically, could mean that a religious rally at any public building would therefore make the building unconstitutional so it would have to be removed.

The Bible was installed on county property about five decades ago in honor of William Mosher, the founder of Star of Hope Mission, and was replaced in 1996 with donated funds. However, an atheist challenged the monument, and on an appeal from the District Court decision that the Bible was unconstitutional, the appeals court carried the argument further.

Its ruling said that the monument became an unconstitutional "establishment" after a 2003 rally was held by Christians to defend the display. That rally involved prayers and clergy, the court noted.

"The ramifications of this tortured decision are breath-taking and without any historic or legitimate Constitutional rationale," said the pastors' organization. "For the court to state that if a private citizen exercises his or her First Amendment rights of religious expression and assembly on public property, that any monument, building or fixed item of any kind that contains religious references becomes 'establishment of religion' is simply irrational."

The conclusion, if applied nationwide, would result in the sandblasting of hundreds of monuments and buildings "including the capstone on the Washington Monument, which reads, 'Laus Deo,' or 'Praise be to God,'" the pastors group continued.

"For this panel majority of two justices to claim that words and actions by private citizens or elected officials with religious content, expressed about a building or monument, convert it from 'secular' and constitutional to 'sacred' and unconstitutional amounts to an act of blatant judicial activism against the freedoms and Constitution," the HAPC said.

The group Battle For The Bible also is working on the case, and Welch said there are experts on constitutional law who have been and plan to continue assisting the county in its fight over the representation of the Bible.

"They are of the opinion this needs to be appealed directly to the Supreme Court, and we're working on that right now," Welch told WND.

He called the logic "twisted" that could conclude the monument once was constitutional, but since "some action by a private citizen" it now becomes unconstitutional.

Because the atheist's lawsuit was against the county over the monument on county land, the pastors and their advisors have been assisting County Attorney Michael Stafford in the fight.


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1 posted on 08/17/2006 8:21:57 PM PDT by xzins
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Congressman Billybob; Alamo-Girl
For the court to state that if a private citizen exercises his or her First Amendment rights of religious expression and assembly on public property, that any monument, building or fixed item of any kind that contains religious references becomes 'establishment of religion' is simply irrational."

Religious expression by religious citizens = establishment of religion ping.

2 posted on 08/17/2006 8:24:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

ACLU delenda est.


3 posted on 08/17/2006 8:24:36 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (John Bolton for Secretary of State)
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To: xzins

We have NO idea of China like persecution - shame on the comparison!


4 posted on 08/17/2006 8:25:19 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: justche

I think this is great. I call for a prayer rally around the IRS headquarters!! :-)


5 posted on 08/17/2006 8:30:25 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: justche
We have NO idea of China like persecution - shame on the comparison!

I didn't see it as a comparison, but as a warning. If you WANTED to move towards a China-style oppression, you'd have to start somewhere. Stupid court rulings are a good first step.
6 posted on 08/17/2006 8:31:18 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Liberty1970

That's funny!


7 posted on 08/17/2006 8:32:29 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: justche
We have NO idea of China like persecution - shame on the comparison!

Ah, but Evangelical megachurch pastor Greg Laurie says we're living in the last days, so the comparison must be valid.


8 posted on 08/17/2006 8:33:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: xzins
Doesn't the USA still have the power to Impeach Justices who don't dispense justice?

This is worse than crazy. This is legislation from the bench. This is merging two branches of government and leaves the people with no balance of powers.

Did these Judges and Lawyers fail "Civics" class in 9th Grade?

Not THAT Civics. This Civics.
9 posted on 08/17/2006 8:33:46 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: justche
We have NO idea of China like persecution - shame on the comparison!

We are not exoeriencing that level...yet. But we will, and the entire point of this article is to show how close we really are.

10 posted on 08/17/2006 8:34:00 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: xzins
"Welch told WND that the court's conclusion was "ludicrous" and if followed logically, could mean that a religious rally at any public building would therefore make the building unconstitutional so it would have to be removed."

Well, perhaps there should be a Christian rally around the courthouse in which such a ruling was made. If they refuse to take down the building, sue.

11 posted on 08/17/2006 8:35:53 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: xzins

" ... it became unconstitutional when a Christian group rallied around it."

Great! Let's ALL rally around all of these monkey courts and praise GOD that they exist.

Would it not then make this ignorant group of degenerate lawyers and tyrannical judges unconstitutional and illegal? Sounds like it to me.


12 posted on 08/17/2006 8:36:46 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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To: xzins; potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo; bitt; Smartass

What about these Amendments don't they understand?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


13 posted on 08/17/2006 8:38:35 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: xzins
The ruling from the Fifth Court of Appeals said the display of a Bible on public ground in Houston to honor the founder of a mission has to go, not because it was unconstitutional itself, but because it became unconstitutional when a Christian group rallied around it.

So hold a prayer service around the Fifth Court of Appeals, and pray over each one of the justices. Then have someone sue to have it removed on the same grounds? Can we do that? I mean can we really have an entire Court of Appeals declared unconstitutional?
14 posted on 08/17/2006 8:38:37 PM PDT by yevgenie (Q. What is the first sign of AIDS? A. A pounding sensation in the ass.)
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To: Liberty1970

How about around the ACLU headquarters too?


15 posted on 08/17/2006 8:39:17 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: justche

Read 1st & 6th paragraphs again.


16 posted on 08/17/2006 8:39:23 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
The pastor's group said that means any monument, building, or even feature of nature is an illegal "establishment of religion" if a church ceremony is held there...It's about time Christian groups go on the offensive - instead of merely defending against the absurd idea that they are in violation of the Constitution because their practices amount to Congress making a law establishing a state religion, they should start resorting to the second Constitutinal prohibition regarding religion - that Congress shall make no law interfering with the free practice thereof - such silly rulings from the bench surely result in such interference, and maybe a few countersuits for big bucks would make some of these atheists, and even the ACLU, think twice before bringing such actions in the future.......
17 posted on 08/17/2006 8:41:29 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: yevgenie

LOL. If you follow their "logic" that would work.


18 posted on 08/17/2006 8:42:13 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: xzins

Well, I guess we have to elect another conservative president who will put a few more good supreme court justices on the bench.

These screwball judges will work themselves out of the system. And we will be vigilant to keep the activist judges off the bench.

More to come later.


19 posted on 08/17/2006 8:43:50 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: xzins

Was the entire court involved in this case, or is this a ruling from a single judge?
Wonder who appointed these weirdos.


20 posted on 08/17/2006 8:52:52 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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