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Drive with a license? Why bother?
Manteca Bulletin ^ | Sunday, August 20, 2006 | Dennis Wyatt

Posted on 08/20/2006 9:34:12 AM PDT by glorgau

First 3-of-7 drivers (including non-citizens) thru

Manteca sobriety checkpoint have no licenses What you are about to read isn’t politically correct.

But you’d better read it anyway. And the next time you climb behind the wheel of your vehicle you’d better act like it’s a matter of life and death when your turn the key in the ignition.

Manteca Police opened their first sobriety checkpoint Saturday at 9:30 p.m. in the 900 block of East Yosemite.

They struck pay dirt three times within the first seven vehicles to enter the checkpoint. When they pulled over the fourth vehicle after 20 had passed through, the police had to temporarily shut down checking licenses and drivers. They had too much business.

It sounds like good news if you want intoxicated drivers off the street. Well, here’s the clincher. They weren’t intoxicated. Each one of the first four vehicles pulled over had driver’s behind the wheel without a license. Now are you ready for the part that isn’t politically correct? Apparently two of the four drivers weren’t what you’d call legal residents of this country.

No, there was no racial profiling going on. No, what you are going to read below isn’t a tirade about closing our borders now.

But before you read on, you need to know something about the Manteca Police Department and — in a larger sense — about city leaders. Each jurisdiction has the option to impound vehicles. Even if it is a money loser, Manteca does it because it gets either unsafe or illegal drivers off the road. That means each of the four vehicles pulled over in the first 10 minutes — including a Mustang GT — is going to the impound yard for 30 days. That part of the bill is over $900 by itself. Then there is the impound storage fee, the towing costs and the fine. Driving illegally in Manteca will cost those four individuals at least $1,600 apiece.

Getting pulled over in a lot of other communities has no consequences of that degree as many cities don’t want to get caught holding the impound fee bill which they have to pay.

And in case you think it is only the down and out who are driving without licenses, you could describe the four vehicles as fairly desirable in terms of marketing appeal. Which means there’s a good chance they’ve bought fairly new vehicles and probably don’t have insurance. But as a law-abiding citizen who might meet a driver without a license and insurance up close and personal metal-to-metal, what do you care?

Now back to the politically incorrect part.

Do you remember the 28-year-old man who was ran over while crossing Yosemite Avenue just two blocks west of Saturday’s checkpoint earlier this month? That’s the one where the driver stopped and the guy along with his passenger got out, walked back to the crosswalk covered with blood, looked at the guy they ran over, and then casually walked back to their vehicle and drove off.

It was so callous that the cops didn’t want to release the victim’s name initially because it smelled like a domestic dispute. You know the type. Run the guy over. Go back to check your handiwork to make sure you did a good job and then leave him there to die.

Now for that politically incorrect part I was telling you about. The driver was a Manteca resident but he was here illegally. Whoops! You’re not supposed to interject the word “illegal” into a discussion of crime or social issues. You might get branded as a racist.

Fast forward to this week. Now why do you think two men would sideswipe a van on Highway 99 north of Lathrop Road, have their pickup truck roll and then get out of their vehicle in a bloody mess and flee before law enforcement arrived?

Stolen vehicle? Well, not in this case. Don’t want to speculate as it may be politically incorrect.

And what about the gang problem in Southside Park. There was a kingpin the cops wanted to take out for sure but they were able to break the back of the gang problem by arresting and turning over to immigration officials a half dozen — be careful I’m about to offend your political correctness — illegals.

This, in case you’re wondering, isn’t just a problem in Manteca. The CHP is recording a growing number of fatalities where drivers who have caused the mishaps are — surprise, surprise — illegals driving without licenses. It’s true licensed drivers who are legal residents get in accidents and kill people.

But if you did that in any nation reached by traveling Interstate 5 to its southernmost point you can land in jail for a long, long time.

Here you just get a notice to appear which means you’ll be long gone before there are any consequences to your actions.

Of course, we can make the issue of illegals driving without licenses go away by simply caving into pressure to have the California Legislature give illegals the right to a license which happens to be a gateway document to getting other privileges reserved for citizens.

But wait? What about vehicle insurance?

No problem. That’s also unfair. If you don’t have to be a citizen to get a driver’s license, why should a non-citizen have to follow the same rules of being able to be financially responsible to own and drive a vehicle?

After all, it isn’t fair that an illegal can’t just waltz into a DMV office and get a license or pony up to a polling place and vote. There are those who are, however, working overtime to right those two alleged wrongs.

But you need to ask yourself this question before you start screaming political incorrectness about what you have reward.

There is no law that gives the police authority to go after anyone who turns away from a checkpoint unless there is probable cause such as a traffic violation or something such as a headlight being out.

The four drivers without licenses saw the eight to 10 police vehicles with flashing lights and drove through the checkpoint anyway.

Why should they have fear? There are no consequences to their lawlessness.

The only mistake they made was being brazen about their illegal activity in a place like Manteca where the bean counters don’t have the upperhand. That means vehicles of such lawbreakers will be impounded for the maximum time allowed by law even if taxpayers get stuck holding the impound costs.

But rest assured that won’t happen. The value of each of the four vehicles impounded in the first five minutes of the sobriety checkpoint are easily five to seven times that $1,600 tab.

Think about it the next time you get in your car and go driving with your family.

Happy motoring!

To contact Dennis Wyatt, e-mail dwyatt@mantecabulletin.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; atzlan; crimaliens; illegal; illegalimmigration; invasion; reconqista
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First 3 of 7. Like shooting ducks in a barrel.
1 posted on 08/20/2006 9:34:13 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau
If they are driving new cars, they paid cash because if you are financing you will have insurance. The lien holder sees to that.
2 posted on 08/20/2006 9:39:14 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: glorgau

Didn't George Allen get in trouble for saying "Manteca?"


3 posted on 08/20/2006 9:39:29 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: CindyDawg
if you are financing you will have insurance.
the finance company only sees that you have insurance to protect their investment - NOT that you have any kind of liability insurance.
4 posted on 08/20/2006 9:42:20 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: CindyDawg

Who says they financed the cars? Many carry huge wads of bills and pay out of hand.


5 posted on 08/20/2006 9:45:02 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: glorgau

"Whoops! You’re not supposed to interject the word “illegal” into a discussion of crime or social issues. You might get branded as a racist."


6 posted on 08/20/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by Third Order
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To: mtbopfuyn

That's what I said.


7 posted on 08/20/2006 9:47:54 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: GrandEagle
Yeah, but it's higher than collision and liability combined. It's a great incentive to keep your policy up to date.
8 posted on 08/20/2006 9:49:18 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
If they are driving new cars, they paid cash because if you are financing you will have insurance. The lien holder sees to that.

Yeah, and the first phone call you make after picking up the car, after "Marque dos por Espanol" is "Quisiera cancelar mi política."

9 posted on 08/20/2006 9:50:37 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: glorgau

No problem here, move along... move along...


10 posted on 08/20/2006 9:52:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

macaca


11 posted on 08/20/2006 9:53:34 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I think it's a crying shame what they're doing to a great Dizzy Gillespie tune.


12 posted on 08/20/2006 9:53:38 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: glorgau

Scary, I bet the situation isn't much different here in Lodi, but I like the fact that Manteca impounds the vehicles and selss them if they are not redeemed.


13 posted on 08/20/2006 9:53:47 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: glorgau
Do you remember the 28-year-old man who was ran over ...

Dear God. Does no one proof articles before publication any more? This entire piece is poorly written, and the grammar is atrocious.

14 posted on 08/20/2006 9:56:02 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: glorgau

Excellent commentary.

There are only 2 counties in the part of Virginia where I live (we're seperated from the rest of the state by the Chesapeake Bay) with a population of less than 100,000.......more than half of the fatal accidents here over the last few years have involved at least one illegal driver.....and not illegal in the sense of he/she shouldn't be driving for whatever reason, but illegal in the sense they DON'T BELONG IN THISD COUNTRY.


15 posted on 08/20/2006 9:58:09 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: CindyDawg
No doubt!
I live in Alabama which until recently had no enforceable liability insurance law. Today you must show proof on insurance to even get a tag.
People still drive without it.

There are always ways around it.

In my driving career I've been hit 9 times (mostly minor), 8 of those times were by uninsured motorist. In all but 1 of those I had to fix my car because there was nothing I could do. The one time when the uninsured guy fixed my car it was he just didn't know I couldn't do anything.

Cordially,
GE
16 posted on 08/20/2006 9:58:28 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: glorgau

BTTT


17 posted on 08/20/2006 9:59:58 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: glorgau
Why should they have fear? There are no consequences to their lawlessness.

Sums it all up.

But I guess I'm a mean old border troll to have said that.
18 posted on 08/20/2006 10:03:02 AM PDT by VOA
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To: DuncanWaring
I've heard some car dealerships have actually utilized their dealership to place vehicles in illegals hands knowing those vehicles were going to be disappeared (aka as stolen) but the dealership didn't care because the insurance company was picking up the tab, which of course, eventually led back to the taxpayer to pay for the disappearing (aka as stolen) vehicle. Sweet little rip off...
19 posted on 08/20/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals ('un'peace treaties sale.....save a ton.....more than 1/2 OFF.......US 'congress' certified...)
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To: glorgau

Sing it with me now...

"Our roads are their roads,


20 posted on 08/20/2006 10:06:21 AM PDT by VOA
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To: GrandEagle
We have to show insurance for inspection too. Usually, no insurance goes with no drivers license, no tags or no inspection. What does LE around here focus on though? No seat bealt!!!
21 posted on 08/20/2006 10:09:45 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

That's how you find out that they have no: License Insurance, current registration--You stop them for not wearing a seat belt!


22 posted on 08/20/2006 10:14:44 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: radar101

My husband has collision, liability AND seat belt insurance. I pay the premium on the last one ,at least a couple of times a year:'(.


23 posted on 08/20/2006 10:21:36 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
they paid cash because if you are financing you will have insurance.

A lot easier to save up the $$$ to pay cash if you aren't paying income tax or SS tax

24 posted on 08/20/2006 10:26:17 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: CindyDawg
seat belt insurance

I never heard of it. sigh?

25 posted on 08/20/2006 10:29:24 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: glorgau

"That means each of the four vehicles pulled over in the first 10 minutes — including a Mustang GT — is going to the impound yard for 30 days. That part of the bill is over $900 by itself. Then there is the impound storage fee, the towing costs and the fine. Driving illegally in Manteca will cost those four individuals at least $1,600 apiece."

That's the kind of abusive crap that caused the Founding Fathers to rebel against the crown.

Tow? Maybe $100. Park a car for 30 days, on a piece of near-worthless real-estate convenient to nothing? Maybe $150 max. That's $250. But the government is ripping them off for $1,600.

The law specifies the fines that may be levied for driving without a license, upon conviction. But the government is privileging private concerns to levy heavy financial penalties -- completely unreasonable financial penalties -- prior to any legal procedings. IOW, unconstitutionally.

This is crap.


26 posted on 08/20/2006 10:30:34 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Orange1998

It was a joke. I was talking about tickets:')


27 posted on 08/20/2006 10:32:19 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: GrandEagle

"In my driving career I've been hit 9 times"

Good Lord, what do you do to get hit so much?

I've been driving since 1966, and I've never been hit.


28 posted on 08/20/2006 10:34:48 AM PDT by dsc
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To: CindyDawg

I cannot tell you the number of my friends that have been hit by ILLEGALS in GA. Of course, they just seem to disappear after the accident--and the cops won't bring 'em in for driving without a license or insurance.


29 posted on 08/20/2006 10:38:21 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: CindyDawg

I feel for it hook line and sinker. Come to think of it, I pay 50 bucks for insurance of one free speeding ticket a year. :)


30 posted on 08/20/2006 10:42:37 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: dsc
I've been driving since 1966, and I've never been hit.

But have you hit someone else?

31 posted on 08/20/2006 10:44:30 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: dsc
Good Lord, what do you do to get hit so much?
I don't know other than exposure. I usually drive around 60,000-70,000 miles or so a year.
I got hit head on by a drunk. I was sitting at the light, he attempted to make a left turn in front of me (coming from the other direction) but unfortunately he had already gone through the intersection.
In Denver, I stopped for an ambulance entering the intersection, the guy behind me didn't.
Just a couple of months ago I slowed to keep from hitting a motorcycle that cut in front of me, the guy behind me didn't.
Lets see..... Got hit three times in the rear while sitting still at a red light.
A few years back I stopped for the yellow light, the guy behind the guy beside me was going to try and beat it by jumping around the guy in front of him. Unfortunately he jumped into my lane behind me as his path to run the red light.
I haven't gotten hit but twice in the last 10 years or so.

Just lucky I guess???
33 posted on 08/20/2006 10:53:25 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

"Just lucky I guess???"

You're a statistical anomaly. I never hoid'a nobody with such bad luck.

At least you weren't killed.


34 posted on 08/20/2006 10:58:00 AM PDT by dsc
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To: GrandEagle
"A few years back I stopped for the yellow light"

Haven't you been told that Yellow does not mean Stop? I have seen drivers do this and they are a menace to the road.

35 posted on 08/20/2006 11:00:12 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: w1andsodidwe
I bet the situation isn't much different here in Lodi, but I like the fact that Manteca impounds the vehicles and selss them if they are not redeemed.

Sacramento is working to pass a law that would exempt anyone who has never had a license from having their cars impounded for more than 24 hours.

Bill Would Give Illegals Another Legal Detour
Whittier Daily News
August 14, 2006

THE [California] state Senate already has voted 25 to 14 to create a special exemption in state law that would reduce the mandatory 30-day impoundment of cars driven by unlicensed drivers, so that offenders who have never had a valid license can get their cars back after 24 hours.

Right now, when officers impound the cars of unlicensed drivers, the mandatory term is 30 days. A new law would keep the 30 days for drivers whose bad driving led to the forfeiture or suspension of their license - may the courts add whatever punishment they so choose - but create a loophole to give unlicensed illegal immigrants their cars back overnight.

Expect the California Assembly to approve SB626 as early as today.

snip

36 posted on 08/20/2006 11:02:50 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: dsc
Most were fairly minor fender benders. The head on was fairly severe even though I was sitting still. He must have been doing 35 or so. I never dreamed an impact at that speed could do so much damage!
The guy trying to beat the light hit pretty hard but did hit square in the rear. It was a wild ride but no injuries to me.

An anomaly .... LOL! That fits me pretty well!

Cordially,
GE
37 posted on 08/20/2006 11:03:06 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Orange1998
Yellow means clear the intersection. If you are traveling at speed and can make it through without speeding up before the red, then by all means go. I don't jump on the brakes, but I also don't floor the gas it to try and beat the red.
I would contend that the real menace are those who try and beat the red light, entering the intersection after the light is red at nearly double the speed limit.
38 posted on 08/20/2006 11:08:35 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Junior

Apparently, not anymore.


39 posted on 08/20/2006 11:20:05 AM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

:^)>


40 posted on 08/20/2006 11:21:31 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior
Good afternoon Junior. We've not met in a thread for a while now.
Things are going well trust?

Cordially,
GE
41 posted on 08/20/2006 11:23:49 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

Indeed. As well as can be expected.


42 posted on 08/20/2006 11:28:05 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: GrandEagle

"I never dreamed an impact at that speed could do so much damage!"

I saw a fatal accident in Hawaii years ago that was quite similar.


43 posted on 08/20/2006 11:29:59 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
This guy was so drunk, while we were waiting for the police, he asked me if this was my car. I said "Yes it is, we just had a wreck - remember?" He thought for a minute and says "OH YES! Now I remember!"

It would have been funny if it wasn't going to be so expensive.
44 posted on 08/20/2006 11:33:12 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

"He thought for a minute and says "OH YES! Now I remember!"

It's drunk drivers like that who give the rest of us a bad name.


45 posted on 08/20/2006 11:39:48 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

LOL!!!


46 posted on 08/20/2006 11:41:30 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Orange1998

I need to know who your agent is. You can hardly beat 50 a year:')


47 posted on 08/20/2006 11:58:20 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: glorgau

MANTECA BUMP! (Means "Lard" in spanish!)


48 posted on 08/20/2006 12:07:10 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: dsc
I agree.
49 posted on 08/20/2006 12:17:15 PM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: CindyDawg

In June we were stopped by a road block in a remote part of BC Canada and asked for license and proof of insurance. In Switzerland they will come to your house and take your plates if your insurance lapses. Our politians are not trying to protect our citizens or contol insurance costs. They are protecting a privileged group of law breakers for a few votes.
It is time we voted these people out and stopped buying news and views from people who support them.


50 posted on 08/20/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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