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Schools compete for thousands of Saudi students
Associated Press AP ^ | August 20 | GARANCE BURKE

Posted on 08/20/2006 5:09:36 PM PDT by PghBaldy

MANHATTAN, Kan. - On a recent afternoon at Kansas State University, a familiar set of late-summer rituals were under way. Piccolo and tuba players practiced their formations in clusters on the lawn, and fraternity hopefuls started Rush Week.

This semester, the central Kansas agricultural powerhouse was also preparing for its first-ever celebration of Ramadan to welcome the newest members of its student body: 150 students from Saudi Arabia.

This school year, college towns from Florida to Oregon will host an estimated 15,000 new Saudi students, nearly all of whom have full scholarships paid for by the Kingdom's royal family. They're part of a new exchange program brokered by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah last year that will soon quintuple the number of Saudi students studying in the United States.

The U.S. State Department sees the exchange as a way to build ties with future Saudi leaders and young scholars at a time of unsteady relations with the Muslim world. The Kingdom says it will help stem unrest at home by schooling the country's brightest in the American tradition.

And public universities are eager for the tuition dollars.

"The Saudi scholarship program has definitely heightened our interest in that part of the world," said Kenneth Holland, Kansas State's associate provost for international programs. "Not only are the students fully funded, but they're also paying out-of-state tuition."

Many scholarship holders have already spent a year in the U.S. studying English, and are excelling in their studies, by most reports. But one former inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security says efforts to fast-track educational diplomacy with the Muslim world should bear scrutiny, unless the government can ensure the proper safeguards are in place.

Industrial engineering student Marwan Al-Kadi grew up in Medina, the site of one of Islam's holiest shrines. After four years studying in the U.S., he's shared Thanksgiving turkeys with friends in Abilene and wears his dark hair long and curly, a bit like a character from "That 70s Show.

"As an advice, my dad told me to pick a small town so I came to Manhattan," he said, lounging in a cafe near campus, as his cell phone rang intermittently. "My English was messed up when I came. But there are very kind people here."

Al-Kadi said the government scholarship gives him about $31,000 per year to study and pay for a room in a house he shares with three other students. Saudi Embassy spokesman Nail Al-Jubeir said 90 percent of the 10,229 Saudi students the U.S. State Department has registered for this school year will also get scholarships.

By January, U.S. government officials say the program will expand to 15,000, which means Saudi Arabia will send more foreign students to the U.S. than Mexico or Turkey.

"This is a critically important bilateral relationship," said Tom Farrell, a deputy assistant secretary for academic programs at the State Department. "It's an opportunity to increase understanding of Saudi Arabia for the United States and of the United States for Saudi Arabia."

Kansas State administrators say common misperceptions about the oil-rich nation make it crucial to create a tolerant environment for Arab and Muslim students, who have been singled out for scrutiny and have been the focus of new laws compromising their civil liberties since September 11.

Before then, Saudi visa applicants were allowed to bypass the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh by submitting their applications to preapproved travel agencies, which forwarded them onto the consulate for approval or rejection. Three of the 15 Saudi terrorists used that program, dubbed "Visa Express," to enter the U.S.

"Since then, everything has changed," said Saudi government spokesman Al-Jubeir. "There are long lines to wait for a visa. Once they get in to a university here, they are checked and rechecked."

In 2002, Congress mandated that the Department of Homeland Security create the "Visa Security Officer" program in consular offices in Saudi Arabia. That would bump up security by allowing counterterrorism officials to check visa applications against lists of known or suspected terrorists, said Clark Kent Ervin, who took over as the department's Inspector General in 2003.

That same year, Congress also instituted the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System or SEVIS, which monitors all foreign students' activities - including where they live, whether they go to class, and whether they finish their studies.

All foreign students are tracked on that program, which Kansas State administrator Holland said made him feel "very comfortable."

So after a formal reception with Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the U.S. last semester, Kansas State officials sat down with diplomats to plan a trip to the Saudi Embassy in Washington to review more qualified students' files.

"We'll provide you with an office, there will be secretaries there to help you," Saudi cultural attache Mazyed Ibrahim Almazyed told the group. "You can have people bring you all the files. You'll be right there and we can show you what we have."

Kansas State University President Jon Wefald nodded his head.

"This is going to get us right through the State Department," he said.

"Plan on spending at least two days there," he told the department heads around the table.

"Don't forget the real decision makers, for example the local representatives in Congress," said Almazyed.

Last year, the Government Accountability Office presented Congress with a report on security in U.S. consular offices in Saudi Arabia. According to the GAO, the 10 temporary Visa Security Officers sent there in 2004 lacked any specialized training in counterterrorism, fraud detection and interview techniques.

By summer 2005, DHS had hired and trained four permanent employees for the post, but only two of them spoke Arabic. A spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a division of DHS, said all VSOs are now trained in visa security and that many staffers had 10 years experience in law enforcement. The department offers language training only "as necessary," he added.

Former DHS inspector general Ervin cites that as one of several ways in which the U.S. has mismanaged counterterrorism efforts since September 11 in his book, "Open Target: Where America is Vulnerable to Attack."

"The Department of Homeland Security is so inept and the VSO program is in its infancy, so fraud is entirely possible with students or anyone applying for visas from Saudi Arabia," he said.

The GAO reports the VSO program has expanded to Pakistan, Indonesia, the United Arab Emirates and the Philippines. DHS spokesman Dean Boyd said he could not provide details about its reach.

The electronic monitoring program, SEVIS, appears to be working well, though the blips it's caught recently illustrate the cultural gulf between the exchange students it tracks and their American hosts.

In May, two Saudi scholarship students monitored under SEVIS were held in solitary confinement in a county jail after riding a public school bus they thought would take them to their English classes at the University of South Florida.

"They thought they were allowed to ride it to take it to the university and people were making accusations like this was a dry run for a real terrorist attack," said Ahmed Bedier, director of the Tampa, Fla., office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "These youth are paying the price for things that they have no connection to. They're going to be the future in Saudi Arabia."

For Allan Goodman, president and CEO of the Institute of International Education in New York, the new bilateral agreement is a "tremendously positive" step toward person-to-person diplomacy.

"These 15,000 students will really jump start education and that will be a great addition to the Kingdom," said Goodman. "At its base, it's about mutual understanding."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushbash; crushislam; foreignstudents; highereducation; islam; jihadinamerica; kansas; ksu; muslim; muslims; muslimstudents; saudiarabia; sevis; studentvisa; vso; wot
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To: La Enchiladita

Please remove me from your ping list. Thank You.


41 posted on 08/20/2006 7:56:14 PM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a lot of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: PghBaldy
Back when I was teaching in engineering school I had a number of students from Saudi and Kuwait.

How'd they do?

About how you would expect an 19 year-old to do when all his expenses are paid for by someone else ... they generally slept in and could have phoned in their few accomplishments.

42 posted on 08/20/2006 7:59:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: rock58seg

No problem. It's only been 3 or more months since I pinged this list ... LOL. You're off the list.



43 posted on 08/20/2006 8:07:43 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: PghBaldy

The Saudis have a shortage of airline pilots, informed sources report. Gotta train 'em here!.


44 posted on 08/20/2006 8:10:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Cloverfarm
Why don't we show the Saudis how to build their own colleges in their own country?

After all, we taught them how to find and drill the oil.

45 posted on 08/20/2006 8:19:15 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Will_Zurmacht

Just wait until these young men start dating your American coeds.

Young men from the Middle East have very different ideas as to how to treat women.

Get prepared for some very sad stories. But don't worry about the young ME men getting arrested. They'll be on a plane and heading home before the police report gets filed.

Don't believe me? Talk to university administrators and police in Boston where there are thousands of these guys.


46 posted on 08/20/2006 8:20:39 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dfwgator
Mark my words, the next big terrorist attack will occur on college campuses.

Yeh..and mix in the leftist professors anti-american cabal and you have a tinderbox for fostering terrorism. Did these students attend madrasas schools in Saudi?

47 posted on 08/20/2006 8:22:43 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Last Dakotan

When I taught on university-level business courses, my Saudi students, and my Arab Muslim students in general, cared exactly NOTHING about learning anything except possibly conversational, American-style English. To the best of my knowledge, they just pooped away their days except for spending time acquiring large amounts of consumer goods. They did very poorly yet felt entitled to good grades for no reason at all. Other Muslim students in my classes such as Pakistanis and Bosnian Muslims were often quite good students and cared about learning.


48 posted on 08/20/2006 8:50:58 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: ladyjane

Being female myself, that remark chills me. However, since I go to the nearby community college, I feel pretty safe.


49 posted on 08/20/2006 8:53:37 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: dfwgator

and football games...


50 posted on 08/20/2006 8:54:12 PM PDT by sit-rep (http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: PghBaldy
One of my friends in college was a Kuwaiti exchange student. He was a cool guy and down-to-earth. You probably wouldn't know he wasn't American unless he told you.

But then again, he was Muslim in name only. He broke pretty much every Islamic rule and made fun of the radical Islamists.
51 posted on 08/20/2006 9:05:42 PM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: Niuhuru

As long as you're not dating them or hanging out with them you're fine.

Just remember, in their country women are not out and about. Women do not get into cars or have coffee with men unless it is with one of their relatives. Women who engage in those behaviors are fair game.


52 posted on 08/20/2006 9:07:42 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: tkathy
Any girls in this?

As many as number of churches open in Saudi Arabia

53 posted on 08/20/2006 9:16:34 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: stm
Am I reading this wrong? "The Kingdom" had no universities prior to 1957?

Not wrong at all. Within living memory, the Saudis were poor ignorant savage tribesmen living in tents and herding camels. Then the Arab American Oil company came along and found they were sitting on oceans of oil. Now they are rich ignorant savage tribesmen living in palaces and beheading Christians.

-ccm

54 posted on 08/20/2006 9:18:21 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: ikka

every spot taken by a foreign student, will be one less American educated. THANK YOU VERY MUCH...

turning America into a third world nation


55 posted on 08/20/2006 9:28:03 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Dumpster Baby

"If no one else got it, I did. Thanks for a good line! :o)"

I got it too. Still chuckling. Very clever.


56 posted on 08/20/2006 9:39:55 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: PghBaldy

How many of these colleges are land grant colleges? Are all qualified American students enrolled first?


57 posted on 08/20/2006 10:45:35 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: stm

You read it right. And it is only home to 25,000 students. So we're educating 15,000 of them here. Brilliant!

Le Sorbonne and Oxford: founded in the 12th-century

Harvard: founded in 1636.

King Saud University: founded in 1957. First university in Saudi Arabia.


58 posted on 08/20/2006 11:56:29 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: La Enchiladita

Like we don't have enough problems! More burden on security, 15,000 potential on campus jihad recruiters, selling out America to foreigners. We have enough that don't belong here now, what about our kids, what about protecting American culture! FGS, how much does the WH think they can pile on the back of American citizens.


59 posted on 08/21/2006 2:15:10 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: tkathy
Any girls in this? Or are they at home, illiterate, being beaten up??? Yes and more...they're also getting their clitoris's surgically removed. A Sweet Sweet religion that Islam.
60 posted on 08/21/2006 4:13:18 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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