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Pulitzer Prize Winner Joe Rosenthal Dies
Las Vegas Sun & AP ^ | August 21, 2006 | JUSTIN M. NORTON

Posted on 08/21/2006 4:42:59 AM PDT by PurpleMan

Today: August 21, 2006 at 3:20:29 PDT

Pulitzer Prize Winner Joe Rosenthal Dies By JUSTIN M. NORTON ASSOCIATED PRESS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -

Photographer Joe Rosenthal, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his immortal image of six World War II servicemen raising an American flag over battle-scarred Iwo Jima, died Sunday. He was 94.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gunnyg; iwojima; joerosenthal; marines; obituary; semperfi; suribachi; usmc; wwii
Sad day for all Devil Dogs.
1 posted on 08/21/2006 4:42:59 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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2 posted on 08/21/2006 5:04:03 AM PDT by gunnyg
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RIP


3 posted on 08/21/2006 5:12:39 AM PDT by allen08gop ("Woman is the most powerful magnet in the universe... and all men are cheap metal!")
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Most Remembered, Most Honored, Pictures of World War 2 in our life times!!!!!!!


4 posted on 08/21/2006 5:24:33 AM PDT by Lee E. Tallent (Lee Tallent)
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Semper Fi!


5 posted on 08/21/2006 5:33:11 AM PDT by Garvin (John F. Kerry is a Masshole.)
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6 posted on 08/21/2006 5:36:32 AM PDT by Dysart
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It was a beautiful, if fake-but-accurate, photograph.


7 posted on 08/21/2006 5:38:29 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: PurpleMan
Joe on Iwo Jima:


8 posted on 08/21/2006 5:39:10 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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9 posted on 08/21/2006 5:47:09 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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Four of the Flag Raisers (Bradley, Hayes, Sousley & Strank) appear with their jubilant buddies. Strank, Sousley and many of these boys would soon be dead
10 posted on 08/21/2006 5:52:55 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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A SEMPER FI, Devil Dog BUMP!!


11 posted on 08/21/2006 6:03:42 AM PDT by TMSuchman (2nd Generation U.S. MARINE, 3rd Generation American & PROUD OF IT!)
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To: PurpleMan
Sadly we have a similar photo of a tragedy right here on US soil.

The three firemen raising the flag over the ruins of the WTC.

12 posted on 08/21/2006 6:03:49 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: PurpleMan
Like many others, I have read the accounts of how this photograph came to be taken. And, while credit certainly goes to Joe Rosenthal for capturing an inspirational moment in time, it is the triumph symbolized by the men in that picture that truly makes it live on.

Rest in peace, Mr. Rosenthal, who never got a swelled head for taking what is arguably the most reproduced photograph in the world. But just as importantly, rest in peace all the men who made that moment -- and thousands more that DIDN'T make front pages -- happen.

13 posted on 08/21/2006 6:04:14 AM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: Piranha
It was a beautiful, if fake-but-accurate, photograph.

No offense, but if you're inferring that it was "staged", you don't know what you're talking about.


Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima

Following the flag raising, Rosenthal sent his film to Guam to be developed and printed. [12] Upon seeing it, AP photo editor John Bodkin exclaimed "Here's one for all time!" and immediately radiophotoed the image to the AP headquarters in New York at seven A.M., Eastern War Time. [13] The photograph was picked up off the wire very quickly by hundreds of newspapers. It "was distributed by Associated Press within seventeen and one-half hours after Rosenthal shot it—an astonishingly fast turnaround time in those days." [14]

However, the photo was not without controversy. Following the second flag raising, Rosenthal had the Marines of Easy Company pose for a group shot, which he called the "gung-ho" shot. [15] This was also documented by Bill Genaust. [16] A few days after the picture was taken, back on Guam, Rosenthal was asked if he had posed the photo. Thinking the questioner was referring to the 'gung-ho' picture, he replied "Sure." After that, Robert Sherrod, a Time-Life correspondent, told his editors in New York that Rosenthal had staged the flag-raising photo. TIME's radio show, 'Time Views the News', broadcast a report, charging that "Rosenthal climbed Suribachi after the flag had already been planted... Like most photographers (he) could not resist reposing his characters in historic fashion." [1]

As a result of this report, Rosenthal has repeatedly been accused of having staged the picture, or covering up the first flag raising. One New York Times book reviewer even went so far as to suggest revoking his Pulitzer Prize.[1] For the decades that have followed, Rosenthal has repeatedly and vociferously refuted claims that the flag raising was staged. "I don't think it is in me to do much more of this sort of thing... I don't know how to get across to anybody what 50 years of constant repetition means." [1] Genaust's film also shows the claim that the flag raising was staged to be erroneous.


(The above is an excerpt, to read more, follow the posted link.)

14 posted on 08/21/2006 6:09:30 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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Additonal notes:

The first flag raised was too small to be easily seen from the beaches, and was ordered replaced with a larger flag.

It was the second flag raising which we have all become familiar with, and which was immortalized by Mr. Rosenthal.

The second flag rasing was not "staged", "fake", or anything of the kind.

15 posted on 08/21/2006 6:14:07 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: PurpleMan

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/flagwtc.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/flagwtc.html

Gunny G's
The Flag Raisings - Lest We Forget!
By
R.W. "Dick" GAINES
GySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952-'72
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED!

Iwo FlagWTC Flag
Lest We Forget!


Of the two photos above, the one of the NYC firemen raising the flag at the site of the WTC after the 9/11 attack is now well known.

The other photo, however, is not so well known. That photo is one of the photos by Leatherneck magazine photographer, S/Sgt Lou Lowery, taken on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima on 23 February 1945, of the actual flag raising there at about 1020 on that morning.

Lowery had accompanied 1/Lt. Harold G. Schrier and his 40-man combat patrol (Easy Company, 2ndBn, 28th Marines), up the hill to raise our national colors; this was the first time in 2,000 years that a foreign flag had been raised on the Japanese homeland.

Later that same day, a larger, "replacement" flag was substituted for the original, and was photographed at that time by Joe Rosenthal; and it was that photo that soon became famous as The Iwo Jima Flag Raising.

The WTC Flag picture, above, has recently appeared many times displayed together with Rosenthal's photo, but I have never seen it in combination with the genuine article by Lowery, therefore, I think that this combination of photos above is more appropriate, and each photo complements the other most fully. .

WHO RAISED THAT FLAG ON IWO JIMA?

(The following is from the book, Iwo Jima..., by Marling/Wetenhall) The answer may surprise even long-time Marines who think they know their Marine Corps history...)

"...on February 24 when Schrier was notified, "Request you designate one member group of flag raisers report aboard Eldorado (AGC 11) early morning 25 February.Purpose news broadcast.

Schrier sent his second in command of the original patrol--PltSgt Ernest Ivy "Boots" Thomas.

At 0430 the next morning, Thomas found himself aboard the ship in the presence of Admiral Turner and General Howlin' Mad" Smith. He was then interviewed by Don Pryor of CBS, who, microphone in hand, introduced him as "a modest but tough 20-year old fighting man from Tallahassee," leader of the Marine platoon that captured Suribachi, "the first American in history who has ever raised Old Glory over a part of the Japanese Empire."

A stunned pause. "No, Mr. Pryor," Thomas interjected, "I don't want to give that impression. The honor belongs to every man in my platoon. Three of us actually raised the flag--Lieutenant Harold G. Schrier, our company executive officer, Sergeant H.O. Hansen of Boston, and myself. But the rest of the men had just as big a part in it as we did."

Thomas continued to point out that although he felt "mighty proud," he did not consider himself a hero, or that he had done anything that the others hadn't also done."
(PltSgt Thomas, speaking to the media and Navy/Marine Corps top brass just a couple days after the flag raising on Iwo Jima!)

THE VANDEGRIFT REVELATIONS

The following is from Tedd Thomey's Immortal Images, A Personal History of Two Photographers and the Flag Raising On Iwo Jima, Naval Institute Press, 1996 "

The Vandegrift revelations surfaced in a book about Iwo Jima published in the spring of 1995. Albee and Freeman present evidence that, over a period of 2 1/2 years, from early 1945 to September 1947, General Vandegrift laid down a policy that suppressed issuance or recognitionof any of the Marine Corps' Iwo Jima photography that might have diminished the uniqueness of the Rosenhtal classic.1" "

...The man most affected by this policy was Sgt Lou Lowery, the Leatherneck magazine photographer who had shot the photo of the first flag raising. Genaust was also affected because the commandant's office used the policy to reject all efforts to honor the sergeant posthumously for his motion picture achievement..." "

...Vandegrift decreed that Leatherneck could not publish any of the Suribachi photographs that Lowery shot on 23 February 1945, including the first flag raising. The decree remained in effect until late 1947, when the magazine came under increasing pressure--much of it from an angry Lowery himself--to publish his photos...." "...Albee and Freeman obtained some of their data on 28 December 1992 in interviews with former WO Norman T. Hatch, the 5th Divisionphoto section director....Hatch...received orders to leave Iwo Jima and report to the commandant in Washington...." "

...The commandants who served after Vandegrift let the Rosenthal photograph speak for itself and made no effort to censor the work of any of the other Suribachi photographers..."
1. Albee and Freeman, Shadow of Suribachi, 83--90
SEE ALSO:

And there is a photo of a letter from Lou Lowery to Ray Jacobs, on Leatherneck letterhead stationery, dated September, 1947. It reads as follows...

"Dear Raymond:
I am always very glad to hear from any of the Marines who were on the original flag raising. You fellows did all the dirty work and the ones who were on Rosenthal's picture got all the credit. Up until the September issue my pictures and the correct story of the flag raising have been held in secret because the flag shot of Rosenthal's, although a phony, was a great picture and did much to publicize the Marine Corps. It is a darn shame that the men who actually were on the first patrol never received the credit they deserved. I am returning the clippings you enclosed as we have duplicates and some originals from the pics we used in the story. If you ever have occasion to visit Washington be sure and pay me a visit.
Best wishes,
/s/ Lou Lowery"
See Also, Ray Jacob's Story HERE!!!!!

Semper Fidelis
-RWG

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Gunny G's
The Flag Raisings - Lest We Forget!
By
R.W. "Dick" GAINES
GySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952-'72
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED!

Iwo FlagWTC Flag
Lest We Forget!


Of the two photos above, the one of the NYC firemen raising the flag at the site of the WTC after the 9/11 attack is now well known.

The other photo, however, is not so well known. That photo is one of the photos by Leatherneck magazine photographer, S/Sgt Lou Lowery, taken on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima on 23 February 1945, of the actual flag raising there at about 1020 on that morning.

Lowery had accompanied 1/Lt. Harold G. Schrier and his 40-man combat patrol (Easy Company, 2ndBn, 28th Marines), up the hill to raise our national colors; this was the first time in 2,000 years that a foreign flag had been raised on the Japanese homeland.

Later that same day, a larger, "replacement" flag was substituted for the original, and was photographed at that time by Joe Rosenthal; and it was that photo that soon became famous as The Iwo Jima Flag Raising.

The WTC Flag picture, above, has recently appeared many times displayed together with Rosenthal's photo, but I have never seen it in combination with the genuine article by Lowery, therefore, I think that this combination of photos above is more appropriate, and each photo complements the other most fully. .

WHO RAISED THAT FLAG ON IWO JIMA?

(The following is from the book, Iwo Jima..., by Marling/Wetenhall) The answer may surprise even long-time Marines who think they know their Marine Corps history...)

"...on February 24 when Schrier was notified, "Request you designate one member group of flag raisers report aboard Eldorado (AGC 11) early morning 25 February.Purpose news broadcast.

Schrier sent his second in command of the original patrol--PltSgt Ernest Ivy "Boots" Thomas.

At 0430 the next morning, Thomas found himself aboard the ship in the presence of Admiral Turner and General Howlin' Mad" Smith. He was then interviewed by Don Pryor of CBS, who, microphone in hand, introduced him as "a modest but tough 20-year old fighting man from Tallahassee," leader of the Marine platoon that captured Suribachi, "the first American in history who has ever raised Old Glory over a part of the Japanese Empire."

A stunned pause. "No, Mr. Pryor," Thomas interjected, "I don't want to give that impression. The honor belongs to every man in my platoon. Three of us actually raised the flag--Lieutenant Harold G. Schrier, our company executive officer, Sergeant H.O. Hansen of Boston, and myself. But the rest of the men had just as big a part in it as we did."

Thomas continued to point out that although he felt "mighty proud," he did not consider himself a hero, or that he had done anything that the others hadn't also done."
(PltSgt Thomas, speaking to the media and Navy/Marine Corps top brass just a couple days after the flag raising on Iwo Jima!)

THE VANDEGRIFT REVELATIONS

The following is from Tedd Thomey's Immortal Images, A Personal History of Two Photographers and the Flag Raising On Iwo Jima, Naval Institute Press, 1996 "

The Vandegrift revelations surfaced in a book about Iwo Jima published in the spring of 1995. Albee and Freeman present evidence that, over a period of 2 1/2 years, from early 1945 to September 1947, General Vandegrift laid down a policy that suppressed issuance or recognitionof any of the Marine Corps' Iwo Jima photography that might have diminished the uniqueness of the Rosenhtal classic.1" "

...The man most affected by this policy was Sgt Lou Lowery, the Leatherneck magazine photographer who had shot the photo of the first flag raising. Genaust was also affected because the commandant's office used the policy to reject all efforts to honor the sergeant posthumously for his motion picture achievement..." "

...Vandegrift decreed that Leatherneck could not publish any of the Suribachi photographs that Lowery shot on 23 February 1945, including the first flag raising. The decree remained in effect until late 1947, when the magazine came under increasing pressure--much of it from an angry Lowery himself--to publish his photos...." "...Albee and Freeman obtained some of their data on 28 December 1992 in interviews with former WO Norman T. Hatch, the 5th Divisionphoto section director....Hatch...received orders to leave Iwo Jima and report to the commandant in Washington...." "

...The commandants who served after Vandegrift let the Rosenthal photograph speak for itself and made no effort to censor the work of any of the other Suribachi photographers..."
1. Albee and Freeman, Shadow of Suribachi, 83--90
SEE ALSO:

And there is a photo of a letter from Lou Lowery to Ray Jacobs, on Leatherneck letterhead stationery, dated September, 1947. It reads as follows...

"Dear Raymond:
I am always very glad to hear from any of the Marines who were on the original flag raising. You fellows did all the dirty work and the ones who were on Rosenthal's picture got all the credit. Up until the September issue my pictures and the correct story of the flag raising have been held in secret because the flag shot of Rosenthal's, although a phony, was a great picture and did much to publicize the Marine Corps. It is a darn shame that the men who actually were on the first patrol never received the credit they deserved. I am returning the clippings you enclosed as we have duplicates and some originals from the pics we used in the story. If you ever have occasion to visit Washington be sure and pay me a visit.
Best wishes,
/s/ Lou Lowery"
See Also, Ray Jacob's Story HERE!!!!!

Semper Fidelis
-RWG

Back To Gunny G's
GLOBE and ANCHOR Marines

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Gunny G's
The Flag Raisings - Lest We Forget!
By
R.W. "Dick" GAINES
GySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952-'72
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED!

Iwo FlagWTC Flag
Lest We Forget!


Of the two photos above, the one of the NYC firemen raising the flag at the site of the WTC after the 9/11 attack is now well known.

The other photo, however, is not so well known. That photo is one of the photos by Leatherneck magazine photographer, S/Sgt Lou Lowery, taken on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima on 23 February 1945, of the actual flag raising there at about 1020 on that morning.

Lowery had accompanied 1/Lt. Harold G. Schrier and his 40-man combat patrol (Easy Company, 2ndBn, 28th Marines), up the hill to raise our national colors; this was the first time in 2,000 years that a foreign flag had been raised on the Japanese homeland.

Later that same day, a larger, "replacement" flag was substituted for the original, and was photographed at that time by Joe Rosenthal; and it was that photo that soon became famous as The Iwo Jima Flag Raising.

The WTC Flag picture, above, has recently appeared many times displayed together with Rosenthal's photo, but I have never seen it in combination with the genuine article by Lowery, therefore, I think that this combination of photos above is more appropriate, and each photo complements the other most fully. .

WHO RAISED THAT FLAG ON IWO JIMA?

(The following is from the book, Iwo Jima..., by Marling/Wetenhall) The answer may surprise even long-time Marines who think they know their Marine Corps history...)

"...on February 24 when Schrier was notified, "Request you designate one member group of flag raisers report aboard Eldorado (AGC 11) early morning 25 February.Purpose news broadcast.

Schrier sent his second in command of the original patrol--PltSgt Ernest Ivy "Boots" Thomas.

At 0430 the next morning, Thomas found himself aboard the ship in the presence of Admiral Turner and General Howlin' Mad" Smith. He was then interviewed by Don Pryor of CBS, who, microphone in hand, introduced him as "a modest but tough 20-year old fighting man from Tallahassee," leader of the Marine platoon that captured Suribachi, "the first American in history who has ever raised Old Glory over a part of the Japanese Empire."

A stunned pause. "No, Mr. Pryor," Thomas interjected, "I don't want to give that impression. The honor belongs to every man in my platoon. Three of us actually raised the flag--Lieutenant Harold G. Schrier, our company executive officer, Sergeant H.O. Hansen of Boston, and myself. But the rest of the men had just as big a part in it as we did."

Thomas continued to point out that although he felt "mighty proud," he did not consider himself a hero, or that he had done anything that the others hadn't also done."
(PltSgt Thomas, speaking to the media and Navy/Marine Corps top brass just a couple days after the flag raising on Iwo Jima!)

THE VANDEGRIFT REVELATIONS

The following is from Tedd Thomey's Immortal Images, A Personal History of Two Photographers and the Flag Raising On Iwo Jima, Naval Institute Press, 1996 "

The Vandegrift revelations surfaced in a book about Iwo Jima published in the spring of 1995. Albee and Freeman present evidence that, over a period of 2 1/2 years, from early 1945 to September 1947, General Vandegrift laid down a policy that suppressed issuance or recognitionof any of the Marine Corps' Iwo Jima photography that might have diminished the uniqueness of the Rosenhtal classic.1" "

...The man most affected by this policy was Sgt Lou Lowery, the Leatherneck magazine photographer who had shot the photo of the first flag raising. Genaust was also affected because the commandant's office used the policy to reject all efforts to honor the sergeant posthumously for his motion picture achievement..." "

...Vandegrift decreed that Leatherneck could not publish any of the Suribachi photographs that Lowery shot on 23 February 1945, including the first flag raising. The decree remained in effect until late 1947, when the magazine came under increasing pressure--much of it from an angry Lowery himself--to publish his photos...." "...Albee and Freeman obtained some of their data on 28 December 1992 in interviews with former WO Norman T. Hatch, the 5th Divisionphoto section director....Hatch...received orders to leave Iwo Jima and report to the commandant in Washington...." "

...The commandants who served after Vandegrift let the Rosenthal photograph speak for itself and made no effort to censor the work of any of the other Suribachi photographers..."
1. Albee and Freeman, Shadow of Suribachi, 83--90
SEE ALSO:

And there is a photo of a letter from Lou Lowery to Ray Jacobs, on Leatherneck letterhead stationery, dated September, 1947. It reads as follows...

"Dear Raymond:
I am always very glad to hear from any of the Marines who were on the original flag raising. You fellows did all the dirty work and the ones who were on Rosenthal's picture got all the credit. Up until the September issue my pictures and the correct story of the flag raising have been held in secret because the flag shot of Rosenthal's, although a phony, was a great picture and did much to publicize the Marine Corps. It is a darn shame that the men who actually were on the first patrol never received the credit they deserved. I am returning the clippings you enclosed as we have duplicates and some originals from the pics we used in the story. If you ever have occasion to visit Washington be sure and pay me a visit.
Best wishes,
/s/ Lou Lowery"
See Also, Ray Jacob's Story HERE!!!!!

Semper Fidelis
-RWG
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/flagwtc.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/dickg/flagwtc.html


16 posted on 08/21/2006 6:31:07 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: holymoly

I'm glad to be corrected.


17 posted on 08/21/2006 6:54:53 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Piranha

I apologize for the harsh tone of my reply.


18 posted on 08/21/2006 7:42:33 AM PDT by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: PurpleMan

Anyone who hasn't read "Flags of Our Fathers" might want to give it a look.


19 posted on 08/21/2006 7:48:46 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: holymoly

No apologies necessary. All you did was state the facts. I can't argue with the need for historical accuracy. In fact, thank you.


20 posted on 08/21/2006 8:15:31 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Piranha

There was nothing fake about it. You would make a great college history professor. Tear it down and learn the facts later.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 9:19:34 AM PDT by olrtex
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To: PurpleMan
I had heard Mr. Rosenthal was a fellow USF alumni and still lived in the city. So on the 50th anniversary I obtained a large picture of the flag raising the SF Chronicle had ran and sent it to a J Rosenthal I found in the phonebook. A few weeks later I received it back in the mail with the man's autograph.

That piece of paper is among the few items I own I deem worthy enough to pass along to my kin once I depart this mortal coil.

RIP, Joe and thanks.

22 posted on 08/21/2006 6:04:50 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: olrtex

Read the thread before blasting people who are trying to acquire the truth.


23 posted on 08/21/2006 6:06:55 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Piranha

There was nothing fake at all about the picture. What the hell are you saying?


24 posted on 08/22/2006 1:43:11 PM PDT by IGOTMINE
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To: IGOTMINE

Read the thread. Asked and answered.


25 posted on 08/22/2006 1:45:00 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: Piranha

Yep. I think we've all learned something here. You learned that picture wasn't posed, and I learned that I need to be quicker in dropping the hammer on someone that exposes that much ignorance. I was like third in line...well below my usual performance :)


26 posted on 08/22/2006 1:50:58 PM PDT by IGOTMINE
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To: skeeter
I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Rosenthal at the Press Club in San Francisco in 1975. I was introduced to him by the late and legendary Clem Whitaker of Whitaker & Baxter, a California PR firm which had much to do with electing Ronald Reagan as Governor.

Clem during lunch mentioned that Joe was the unfortunate victim of a lie or story that the photo was staged. Joe sat patiently while Clem explained the entire matter to me and then Joe said that what really mattered was that "the bravest men in the world, those United States Marines, got recognition for their heroism. I was just lucky to be there to take the photo which without planning was balanced and clean."

27 posted on 08/22/2006 2:12:11 PM PDT by masadaman
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To: PurpleMan

bump


28 posted on 08/22/2006 3:15:41 PM PDT by VOA
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