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America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think
The Washington Post ^ | April 26, 2006 | Geneive Abdo

Posted on 08/26/2006 9:55:51 AM PDT by quidnunc

If only the Muslims in Europe — with their hearts focused on the Islamic world and their carry-on liquids poised for destruction in the West — could behave like the well-educated, secular and Americanizing Muslims in the United States, no one would have to worry.

So runs the comforting media narrative that has developed around the approximately 6 million Muslims in the United States, who are often portrayed as well-assimilated and willing to leave their religion and culture behind in pursuit of American values and lifestyle. But over the past two years, I have traveled the country, visiting mosques, interviewing Muslim leaders and speaking to Muslim youths in universities and Islamic centers from New York to Michigan to California — and I have encountered a different truth. I found few signs of London-style radicalism among Muslims in the United States. At the same time, the real story of American Muslims is one of accelerating alienation from the mainstream of U.S. life, with Muslims in this country choosing their Islamic identity over their American one.

A new generation of American Muslims — living in the shadow of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks — is becoming more religious. They are more likely to take comfort in their own communities, and less likely to embrace the nation's fabled melting pot of shared values and common culture.

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Despite contemporary public opinion — or perhaps because of it — Muslim Americans consider Islam their defining characteristic, beyond any national identity. In this way, their experience in the United States resembles that of their co-religionists in Europe, where mosques are also growing, Islamic schools are being built, and practicing the faith is the center of life, particularly for the young generation. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; War on Terror
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1 posted on 08/26/2006 9:55:53 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
It's a telltale sign of the depravity of your religion when become more religious is a warning sign.
2 posted on 08/26/2006 9:57:49 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

become=becoming


3 posted on 08/26/2006 9:58:34 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: quidnunc

A while back I saw an interview with Walid Shoebat and two other former terrorists. One of those former terrorists was born and raised in Dearborn Michigan and he said it's where he learned extremism.


4 posted on 08/26/2006 10:01:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kinoxi

Religion?? The correct term is "cult".


5 posted on 08/26/2006 10:01:34 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: griswold3
But..but... they're trying to brainwash me into believing it's a religion of piece.
:)
6 posted on 08/26/2006 10:03:23 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: quidnunc

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant...The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,"


Omar Ahmad, Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).


7 posted on 08/26/2006 10:04:43 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: quidnunc

Why should we expect anyone to assimilate anymore when the multiculturalists among us, who run the education "schools" in this country, actively fight against making anyone assimilate and against asserting that the US is good or unique?


8 posted on 08/26/2006 10:05:08 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: quidnunc
Since American "Muslims" didn't, and haven't been, turning in information on potential Muslim radicals in droves to the appropriate authorities, what can we assume?

There is a malignant entity residing amongst us. It will be a matter of time until events push this malignancy to spread and attack the general population. Being armed, ready and capable of defending our nation, society and culture is imperative and the surest way to survive in the dark days ahead.

9 posted on 08/26/2006 10:05:40 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: Thumper1960
(Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)

Best tagline ever.

10 posted on 08/26/2006 10:09:12 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: quidnunc

Ah, yes, 911 was great assimilation... Cow Boy style, they say (/sarcasm off)


11 posted on 08/26/2006 10:09:25 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: quidnunc
I must have posted this dozens of times before but I think it's very important to watch. (It's where I heard the Dearborn terrorist speak)

Former terrorists speak
12 posted on 08/26/2006 10:10:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: quidnunc

This article isn't a surprise - the surprise is that it's in the Washington Post.


13 posted on 08/26/2006 10:11:49 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: quidnunc

When muslims reach a critical mass is when they start the violence. They are biding their time before the butchery starts.


14 posted on 08/26/2006 10:12:43 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: quidnunc
often portrayed as well-assimilated and willing to leave their religion and culture behind in pursuit of American values and lifestyle...

Just sharpening their swords and waiting for Mad Moe's call to jihad.

15 posted on 08/26/2006 10:12:50 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: quidnunc

Their distrust of this country and its leaders gets fostered by the news and entertainment media. Here's something from an article on playwright Harold Pinter:

"He was too ill to attend the Stockholm ceremony to collect his award last November, but used yesterday's sell-out event to launch a blistering attack on British and American policy in Iraq, arguing that suicide bombers' attacks were "acts of retaliation against western domination of the world""


16 posted on 08/26/2006 10:18:23 AM PDT by james500
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To: kinoxi
Behold the Peace of Islam: Picture of the Week



A Muslim on an airplane chanting "Allah Akbar"... what's there to worry about?  This very self-absorbed, 27-year-old Muslim man says he can't understand why fellow passengers found his audible prayers unnerving.  Islam is the Religion of Peace, after all.



For further information... try here.
17 posted on 08/26/2006 10:18:47 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: tkathy
When muslims reach a critical mass is when they start the violence. They are biding their time before the butchery starts.
Very true.
18 posted on 08/26/2006 10:19:28 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: quidnunc

19 posted on 08/26/2006 10:19:33 AM PDT by Gritty (In multiculturalism, all values are equal: in effect, our values are that we have no values-Mk Steyn)
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To: quidnunc

just drove through dearbornistan michigan and all you see are lebanese and other arab flags flying from the windows and NO AMERICAN FLAGS!!


20 posted on 08/26/2006 10:22:18 AM PDT by democrats_nightmare
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To: quidnunc

"Being ambassadors of Islam is daring behavior when you consider that American Muslims live in a country where so many people are ignorant of -- if not hostile to -- their faith. In a Gallup poll this year, when U.S. respondents were asked what they admire about the Muslim world, the most common response was "nothing" (33 percent); the second most common was "I don't know" (22 percent)."

So, apparently all Americans have to learn about Islam. Do the Muslims have to learn about the Catholic culture or Jewish identity, or will they want to learn?


"My biggest fear is that I might assimilate to the American lifestyle so much that my modesty goes out the window."

What a canard against American women. This lady needs to learn about the Western culture rather than a culture portrayed by the media. She needs to adopt a diverse multicultural respect which Americans find lacking in Islam.



"U.S. foreign policy persists in dividing Muslim and Western societies, making it harder still for Americans to realize that there is a difference between their Muslim neighbor and the plotter in London or the kidnapper in Baghdad."

This nails it: It's all Bush's fault.


21 posted on 08/26/2006 10:26:11 AM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: khnyny
It's not surprising that the article is in the Washington comPost: the subtext is that ordinary Americans' hostility to Moslems is a major reason they're withdrawing from American life.

What is striking to me is that they equate assimilation with giving up their religious views. The vast majority of Americans could care less whether they wear headscarves or frequently pray to the Arabian moon god, only that they be good citizens, obey and uphold our laws, and accept that our social compact requires religious tolerance. More we cannot demand, less we cannot tolerate.

22 posted on 08/26/2006 10:26:38 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: quidnunc

"America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think"?



I never thought they were.


23 posted on 08/26/2006 10:28:55 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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The five pillars of Islam..... murder, bestiality, terrorism, cowardice and abuse of women and children.

Know islam, no peace
No islam, know peace


24 posted on 08/26/2006 10:29:50 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: khnyny

That was my initial reaction upon reading the title and first sentence, but after having read the article more closely, it seems that the overall messages that we're supposed to take away from it are pretty much in line with the Washington Post's worldview - namely that Americans are intolerant, hateful people who misunderstand the vast majority of peaceful Islamic peoples, and if it weren't for America's hostile policy towards and oppression of all of the world's friendly Muslim countries, and America's hateful support of the Zionist occupiers, and Americans' hateful discrimination against Muslims, and Americans' disgusting infidel ways, we could all get along well, but since changes won't happen until Islam eventually takes over in America, Muslims need to avoid assimilating (it's America's fault that they're not assimilating after all)... It is rubbish to its core...


25 posted on 08/26/2006 10:31:10 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: MikefromOhio
Yo, mike, here's an article about muslims assimilating in the U.S. lol
26 posted on 08/26/2006 10:31:58 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: quidnunc
America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think

We never for a minute thought they had or would assimilate. Their culture is so ingrained, so imbedded, so indoctrinated from birth there is no way they ever will assimilate into the USA.

Plus they murder their family members if they even try to assimilate.

27 posted on 08/26/2006 10:32:09 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: quidnunc
Ask anyone who lives near a long-time Islam conclave in a suburb if they are assimilated or not......or ever will be.

In your dreams.

Leni

28 posted on 08/26/2006 10:32:38 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Israel, Hold Firm !................No Retreat means No Repeat !)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think"?

I never thought they were.

Careful, the muslim appeasers and apologist will jump down your throat for uttering such words.

29 posted on 08/26/2006 10:35:06 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: tkathy

I'm not sure in the US they'll ever get there.....except in those cities that ban guns.


30 posted on 08/26/2006 10:36:13 AM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: CatoRenasci

Right, good points. What doesn't seem to be recognized, is that Muslims of whatever sect can safely practice their religion in any way they choose (as long as they abide by the law). One would think that a religious Muslim would recognize and appreciate this freedom and value the country that enabled this to be their daily reality.

I think the problem is that some of these so-called religious Muslims take this freedom, but resent the fact that other religions in the US have the same freedoms. They resent the temple down the street, they resent the church down the block and are quite vocal about their condemnation of Western religious institutions and Western culture in general. They pride themselves and are encouraged to be separate and apart, to disdain those around them and the very country that gives them sanctuary.


31 posted on 08/26/2006 10:38:48 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: quidnunc

Why do we still accept immigrants (legal) from Muslim countries? This is pure nonsense. We are inviting in trouble and sorrow and death into our country.


32 posted on 08/26/2006 10:39:00 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I never thought they were.

You and I know better but the media has firmly convinced themselves that muslims in America were different. They've been wondering "what went wrong in Europe and britain?" but have completely ignored the problem here.
33 posted on 08/26/2006 10:39:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: MichiganConservative

"... the multiculturalists among us ..."


Ditto! Exactly my thoughts. But of course, it's all part of Cultural Marxism, even if the useful idiots don't recognize it as such.


34 posted on 08/26/2006 10:43:01 AM PDT by Anselma (Visualize whirled peas.)
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To: The Electrician
Well, I see that the Washington Post, once again, does not disappoint, lol. Thanks for setting me straight, for a minute I thought they might have found a writer with a brain.
35 posted on 08/26/2006 10:43:26 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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Nothing new here. Americans don't trust the PC media and political elites and have never believed that "our Muslims" are essentially different from those in Europe. The real difference is between non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslim Europeans. Europe has lost its collective nerve. Bearded, unwashed mullahs are permitted to publicly trumpet assassination threats and advocate mass murder in the streets of London, Brussels and Amsterdam. This intolerable behavior would not be tolerated here. "Our Muslims" know it and tread carefully. On mature reflection it was an historical error to admit to our country people whose values run so counter to the western democratic ethos. They are the seeds of a dangerous Fifth Column and bear careful scrutiny.
36 posted on 08/26/2006 10:44:39 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: quidnunc
Don't forget it's islam first , they have no allegiance to any country including the USA . . .
37 posted on 08/26/2006 10:44:59 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: quidnunc

The next step in this progressive alienation is obvious: Leave the U.S.A. and go to live in a "Muslim nation."


38 posted on 08/26/2006 10:45:08 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: tkathy
When muslims reach a critical mass is when they start the violence. They are biding their time before the butchery starts.

Some Freeper recently posted this "schedule" of Islamization of the earth. I thought it was an excellent analysis of the mortal dangers posed by Muslim "critical mass." ------------ The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness. At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community. From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none. They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply). At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats. After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines). At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia]. From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt). After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria]. 100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

39 posted on 08/26/2006 10:45:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: khnyny
This article isn't a surprise - the surprise is that it's in the Washington Post.

I'm not suprised. Did you read the article? The last paragraph says it all!

It is too soon to say where the growing alienation of American Muslims will lead, but it seems clear that the factors contributing to it will endure. U.S. foreign policy persists in dividing Muslim and Western societies, making it harder still for Americans to realize that there is a difference between their Muslim neighbor and the plotter in London or the kidnapper in Baghdad.

Don't you see? It's all Bush's fault!

40 posted on 08/26/2006 10:45:28 AM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: quidnunc
America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think

Well, now there's a press-shocker! (/sarcasm)
41 posted on 08/26/2006 10:46:30 AM PDT by VOA
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To: cripplecreek
From London last year ....

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42 posted on 08/26/2006 10:49:06 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Why, ain't she just the sweetest thing?


43 posted on 08/26/2006 10:50:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: quidnunc

I never thought they were assimilated.


44 posted on 08/26/2006 10:52:38 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I never thought they were.

Dittos. Never.

45 posted on 08/26/2006 10:53:45 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: The Electrician

Correct assessment.


46 posted on 08/26/2006 10:54:51 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Once again, this time with paragraphs (for the old fogeys among us who don't use IM):

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

47 posted on 08/26/2006 10:54:53 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: CatoRenasci

Ah, there's the rub!

In the Islamic belief system, there is only room for Islam. All work is to bring the entire world to Islam. Anything not in the Koran, Hadith or Sharia is not of Islam and must be destroyed.

That doesn't leave much room for the rest of us. Just as with the Left, the ratchet only goes one way.

The "Useful Idiots" of the Left had better wake up. They seem to think they can ride this tiger to destroy Western Civilization so that it can be rebuilt in a new Socialist order.

They are wrong. The tiger will eat them too.


48 posted on 08/26/2006 10:58:15 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: quidnunc
So runs the comforting media narrative that has developed around the approximately 6 million Muslims in the United States

Maybe the MSM has been stupid enough to believe that, but I don't believe I or any Freepers ever did.

49 posted on 08/26/2006 10:58:27 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: khnyny

Here's the deal, FRiend. Learn the code in which the enemy* speaks.

"Alienation" in this case means islam is growing, getting stronger and aiming for a takeover ...

*media, islamists, etc.


50 posted on 08/26/2006 11:00:03 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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