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Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny(neo soviet barf alert)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330255,00.html ^ | 8 27 06 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Fat is not a feminist issue, as Susie Orbach once claimed. Fat is a class issue. Rich, educated people are not fat; you see almost no children in private schools who are overweight. Fatness and obesity are directly related to lower education and lower incomes. What is sad is that at a time when this country is richer than ever and ought to have better schools than ever, we have far more fat people than ever — a dangerous explosion of flab. Last week the Department of Health issued a report grimly called Forecasting Obesity to 2010 and its findings were grotesque. Within four years, it predicts, a third of all adults — 13m people — will be obese. So will 1m children

Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat.

This is not just shocking; it has also happened shockingly fast. As the report says, a third of all men will be obese by 2010; in 1993 the figure was only — if one can say only of such a large figure — 13%, rising to 24% in 2004.

The same is true of women, although the rate is rising more slowly; 16% were obese in 1993, 24% in 2004, and the trend is expected to rise until 2010. The proportion of boys who were obese stood at 17% in 2003 and is predicted to rise to 19% by 2010, while among girls it is expected to increase more swiftly from 16% to 22%.

This presents an awkward challenge to libertarians. The libertarian assumption is that we should all be free to do what we want, as far as possible, and if some people’s lifestyle choices involve snacking on deep-fried Mars bars and triple-processed cheeseburgers, other people have no business interfering, still less the government.

Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food. It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

However, obesity does not concern only the obese. It concerns all of us. Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service, quite apart from the many personal miseries involved. Currently 10% of NHS resources are spent on diabetes (two-thirds of which is the avoidable type 2 associated with obesity) and this could easily double within the next four years to 20%.

This is quite apart from the increased risk among the obese of heart disease and other serious illness. More young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, something previously seen only in people over 40. In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government.

Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing. Possibly as a result of the ferocious lobbying of the food industry, ministers restrict themselves to making repetitive noises about healthy living and “small changes” that won’t cost anybody anything.

Tony Blair said last month that if the food industry did not agree to limit junk food advertisements by 2007 he would bring in mandatory rules, but he has said that before and more than once. Besides, why not bring them in straight away? His government has persistently ignored the demands of the Commons health select committee for a traffic light system of food labelling, enabling shoppers to make informed choices.

England’s chief medical officer warned in this year’s annual report that public health budgets were being raided to deal with deficits. That is the reality behind government talk of raising public awareness.

I have never been convinced that government health education has any effect. Despite the “five-a-day” campaign, only a quarter of people in England eat vegetables every day. About half of overweight men are in denial; they don’t see themselves as overweight, according to the report.

There is nothing complicated about being thin. Being fat is usually the result of eating too much junk food and taking too little exercise. Being thin means eating much less food, avoiding junk food altogether and taking exercise every day. It may be that nothing can be done about the plague of obesity; there is a growing epidemic in Europe and worldwide. Perhaps affluence is a disease to which only the fortunate few are immune. But if anything could be done about it, it would have to be radical.

Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

There could be a public campaign against fattening food, just as there was against smoking, aimed at making everyone ashamed of consuming anything naughty but nice. I am just as greedy as anyone else but I have come to think of cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, white bread and puddings as more or less toxic. Foods like this should have health warnings — “cake can kill”. They are not just unnecessary, empty calories; they interfere with your blood sugar levels, affect your appetite and your mood; they may even induce food addiction. The same applies to alcohol: more than a modest amount makes you fat, interferes with your mood and is often addictive.

Just as there would need to be financial incentives to eat well, there should also be inducements to take exercise. The cost should be subsidised or declarable against tax. Employers should be required to give workers time off to go to the gym or jog. We could imitate the Japanese and have mass group exercises at work every day.

And that is the problem. Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty. Fat is a freedom issue.


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To: Verloona Ti


I don't know that I ever had a Space Stick. Is this the box? Were they good, or did the interest lie in the novelty?
81 posted on 08/28/2006 12:23:00 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: A knight without armor

perhaps they weren't French :)


82 posted on 08/28/2006 12:23:45 PM PDT by aimee5291
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To: steve-b
You make soup in a microwave? In a pot?
83 posted on 08/28/2006 12:26:18 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
It's strange how they don't seem to be anywhere near as worried about anorexia and bulimia

Thank you! I haven't heard of those two things in a long time. I knew a 12 y/o boy with anorexia about 20 years ago. That was before the huge "you're fat" campaign began. I shudder to think what has become of him now.

Anorexia and bulimia are probably just a trade off for the better cause of the "greater good"

84 posted on 08/28/2006 12:27:10 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody
"Bravo Sierra! I am rich, educated AND fat."

Just like my Aunt Ann, a great lady, God rest her soul. She knew where all the best restaurants in DC were, especially for seafood and elaborate desserts. I used to love going to dinner with her.

85 posted on 08/28/2006 12:28:17 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The author just wanted to write an article in which she got to call people fatass deadbeat ignoramuses.

LOL! It must be rewarding in its way, since so many people seem to enjoy it!

86 posted on 08/28/2006 12:28:30 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Gingersnap
We don't eat a lot of processed food because I'm a good cook and I'm thrifty but half the people in the country have never even had a homemade soup.

I'm with you.

I've basically taught myself how to cook things like homemade soup because I never had it as a kid....soup always came out of a can. I admit that when I'm sick I still crave, and eat, Campbell's Chicken Noodle, but for the most part I make all of our soups.........and I do it in a 20 quart stock pot and then freeze it.

Like you I'm a pretty good cook, and I actually enjoy doing it and so make time to do it. But there are also times when I'm not in the mood, and so that is why I always make sure I've got plenty of stuff already in the freezer that just needs to be defrosted and heated.

87 posted on 08/28/2006 12:29:05 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

You forgot pizza...



Good point. With a few cups of flour, some inexpensive meat, a can of tomatoes, some mushrooms, onions, peppers, you have a meal fit for ... (me) ... or a hungry family, for less than a buck a person. (A $79 bread machine makes it lazy-easy.)


88 posted on 08/28/2006 12:30:05 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: maryz

Not if you eat the ACTUAL serving size. Too many people think that a portion is an entire dinner plate stacked high (cause it is only "one helping". A serving of meat or chicken is about the size of your palm.


89 posted on 08/28/2006 12:32:08 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Good luck Andre! I hope you go out with a win, you're a great tennis player & even greater man.)
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To: freepatriot32
Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat

Awhile back, I made a point of really looking at people here in my small Missouri town (22,000 pop.) while I was out running . I don't know if I just happened to be out when only thinner people were out or what, but what I noticed was how everyone I saw was slim to average or slightly plump, and at worst maybe 20-30 pounds too heavy to be fashionably slim. I didn't see anyone who appeared morbidly obese or much more than 40 pounds overweight-men and women alike. A few weeks later, I had to pick someone up at the KCI airport, and again-only slim to average sized people in the waiuting area, with the pudgier people only 20-30 lbs too heavy, and only 2 or 3 people (all women) I'd call fat. That was with about 40 minutes of sitting there 'people-watching'.(Bear in mind that I am 5'4" and 113 lbs, so it's not like my view of what's fat is skewed too low or too high -I don't consider Callista Flockhart or Lionel Ritchie's daughter 'fat chicks', or Roseanne 'slightly chubby'.) Now, anecdotes don't equal scientific data, I know...but it really seems to me like I'm seeing fewer and fewer really gigantic people when I'm out, and the ones that are fat are "1970s fat" : 50 pounds overweight, tops, not 300-400-500+ lbs, as was all too common here only a few years ago. Is it possible that headway is slowly being made here in the US? What have other freepers noticed in your towns/cities?

90 posted on 08/28/2006 12:34:27 PM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: Just A Nobody

Something's seriously wrong when boys are worried about their weight to the extreme.

Thank God for the Campaign For Real Beauty!


91 posted on 08/28/2006 12:34:44 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Just A Nobody
Easy to do when one keeps moving the goal posts.

And that is it in a nutshell.

People look at me and have asked what kind of a diet am I on...people who don't know me well are actually surprised by the vast quantities of food I can consume. I'm 5'10" and bounce around 120-125lbs.

OTOH, my husband is considered fat by the new standards because he is 5'11" and 175.

92 posted on 08/28/2006 12:35:04 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: fortunecookie
Just as one example - a single walmart red pepper, $1.43. No-name mac n cheese, 3 boxes for a dollar.


Your exception proves the rule. Eating out-of season produce from Belgian greenhouses is not the way for the poor to feed themselves.

Try the green pepper. Try some frozen peas, beans, or broccoli (frozen veggies are aways in season.) Try frozen red peppers (Trader Joes has a green/yellow/red bag for cheap.)

And if you want to save money compared to mac and cheese (which there is nothing wrong with if it is supplemented with some vegetables), try homemade mac and cheese, with actual cheese.

Moreover, please tell us what that pepper is for. It probably is just an accent for things that are cheap, like Spanish rice with chicken, Jambalaya or Gumbo (those creoles knew how to eat well cheap),

And you don't need a red bell pepper to make Tacos or burritos, for goodness sake (meat/beans, cheese, tomatoes, onions and lettuce are still cheap, and everyone loves them, especiallo poor kids.)
93 posted on 08/28/2006 12:36:02 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: PCBMan

"Some people just don't have the time."




I'm sure alot of those people who "don't have the time" can name every contestant on Survivor, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, etc. Like so much else in life, healthy eating is a matter of priorities.


94 posted on 08/28/2006 12:36:45 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Beelzebubba
I'm not "chubby" and I made no reference to what I buy. Merely observations. (I'm bitter about paying $.79 a pound for watermelon in August -- LOL!)
95 posted on 08/28/2006 12:37:02 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Xenalyte
Those *might* be them, or at least they're a knockoff of the original "astronaut's food" craze. (Can't remember the packaging, but each one in the box was individually wrapped). I really can't remember much about them tastewise, except they were soft and chewy and like a Tootsie roll in shape but much larger. I used to irritate my mom because she'd buy them and I'd only want the chocolates.

I think my failure to remember their taste suggests they weren't very good, except to someone too young to know any better.

96 posted on 08/28/2006 12:37:41 PM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: A knight without armor
If you have $3 for the week you buy those things instead of a bag of grapes.


Are you insane? No one proposes to feed a family on $3/week. (I could do it, but even feeding one on that would be tough.)

When you inject false premises, you end up with bad results.

Let's try $30/week for the welfare mom and her 2 kids. That does not force them to buy all potatoes and bread(which is rather expensive, by the way, but a $3 loaf of whole grain bread will last the better part of a week anyway.)
97 posted on 08/28/2006 12:40:07 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Gabz

Mmmmm. Homemade soup.

I'm making a big pot of cream of cauliflower soup right now. My son just walked in and asked me, 'What stinks?' I guess I better be coming up with an alternative meal for him tonight. :)


98 posted on 08/28/2006 12:41:30 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Gabz
I'm 5'10" and bounce around 120-125lbs.

Those charts I spoke of.....my "ideal" weight for my bone structure and height of 5' prox, was 125 back then.

my husband is considered fat by the new standards because he is 5'11" and 175.

That is just sick and wrong! He looks great just the way he is. ;*)

99 posted on 08/28/2006 12:42:18 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Verloona Ti
My number 90 should read "-out running ERRANDS"-I was driving all over town, so I got to see quite a cross section.
100 posted on 08/28/2006 12:42:33 PM PDT by Verloona Ti
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