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Thought provoking and worth serious consideration. It does go a long way toward explaining why (both parties) appear to be [un]willing to take a serious approach in securing our borders.

I have read somewhere, that we (the US) purchases just about all of Mexico's oil that it produces.

Thus ANY measure we were to impose in which we actually to stem the flow of illegals streaming across would probably result (and here I’m assuming that perhaps W’s good “bud” Vincente “may” have “cautioned” Bush and others against moving to close and secure the borders) in the flow of much needed oil, suddenly, becoming less available, though this would severely disrupt and hurt Mexico’s economy.

This scenario, appears to lend credibility to those who argue that there must be a reason in which pols are unwilling to do what we could/should—if we were really serious—in securing our Southern Border, other than the influence from the pro-illegal alien/amnesty crowd as well as pressure from bidd business who desperately want to keep the flow of cheap labor unabated.

Last but not least, there are some here who will discount this “automatically,” as the author references Jerome Corsi who co-authored the book which is quoted herein as source for the arugments advanced by Vernon, much as they automatically (regardless of how many other reputable people espouse the same) discount the possibility that there is a movement to eliminate our borders and join Mexico and Canada into a North American Union.

Oh, well, flame on!!!

1 posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:40 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist
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Next time you stop at the pump and pay trough-the-stratosphere prices
BS. Gas prices are high, but nothing compared to what they were in the 70s.
2 posted on 09/05/2006 7:09:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: seasoned traditionalist; oh8eleven
oh8eleven makes a perfectly valid point: in constant dollar terms, gasoline prices are not 'stratospheric.

There, in fact, is a perfectly good reason why petroleum prices are high: the world's two most populace nations, China and India, are both undergoing rapid economic development and generating huge new demand for petroleum.

The 'running out of oil' stuff is, of course, rubbish: at these prices oil shale is viable as an oil source, and we've got lots of that.

3 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:18 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Supply and demand. Unfortunately, illegals are pure demand.


4 posted on 09/05/2006 7:15:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

The mayor of Houston Texas was very worried about
a plague of pigeons in Houston.



The mayor could not remove the pigeons from the city.
All of Houston was full of pigeon poop. The people of
Houston couldn't walk on the sidewalks or drive on the
roads. It was costing a fortune to try to keep the
streets and sidewalks clean.



One day a man came to City Hall and offered the Mayor
a proposition. "I can rid your beautiful city of its
plague of pigeons without cost to the city. But, you
must promise not to ask me any questions. Or, you can
pay me five million dollars and ask one question."



The mayor considered the offer briefly and accepted
the free proposition.



The next day the man climbed to the top of City Hall,
opened his coat, and released a red pigeon. The red
pigeon circled in the air and flew up into the bright
blue Texas sky. All the pigeons in Houston saw the red
pigeon. They gathered up behind the red pigeon. The
Houston pigeons followed the red pigeon as she flew
eastward out of the city.



The next day the red pigeon returned completely alone
to the man atop City Hall. The Mayor was very
impressed. He thought the man and the red pigeon had
performed a wonderful miraculous feat to rid Houston
of the plague of pigeons.



Even though the man with the pigeon had charged
nothing, the mayor presented him with a check for 5
million dollars and told the man that, indeed, he did
have a question to ask and even though they had agreed
to no fee and the man had rid the city of pigeons, he
decided to pay the 5 million just to get to ask ONE
question.



The man accepted the money and told the mayor to ask
his question.



The mayor asked: "Do you have any red Mexicans?"


5 posted on 09/05/2006 7:15:23 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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Two words: OIL SHALE

There's 2 trillion barrels of oil right here in the good ol' USA...F the Middle East!!!


7 posted on 09/05/2006 7:20:07 AM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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So Mexico would just hold onto all of its oil? They wouldn't sell it to anyone?

Puhleeeze.


8 posted on 09/05/2006 7:23:13 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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"...there must be a reason in which pols are unwilling to do what we could/should—if we were really serious—in securing our Southern Border... ."

Because there is ---NO---"Southern Border."

Been gone a long time...flame on....

10 posted on 09/05/2006 7:25:13 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (III John 2)
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The author has been reading FR; it's been mentioned many times that the ultimate reason for Bush's open-border policy is the necessity of maintaining stability in Mexico.

And it's not just oil either, although that is a factor. More serious is the potential opportunity for players like China/Iran to take advantage of a civil war-torn Mexico in similar fashion as N Korea/Lebanon.

The long-term play is the WoT - the bet is the US will internally survive.

11 posted on 09/05/2006 7:27:40 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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Illegals and Gas shortages reminded me of the old Charlton Heston flick Soylent Green.

Mexico "Fueling" America's economy?

14 posted on 09/05/2006 7:31:12 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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That is BS, if the Mexican govt is holding us ransom over allowing illegals in, they are pretty stupid. I would be willing to bet that they make more than 17 billion that the illegals send home every year, selling crude to us.


16 posted on 09/05/2006 7:32:00 AM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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Oh sheesh, high oil prices is the immigrants fault? What about the mostly white bread envirowhackos, they are the ones for the cause of high gas prices.


21 posted on 09/05/2006 7:38:03 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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The "Deep Hot Biospere" as a potential source is irrelevant because, even if it does exist, it does not refill depleted pools at a rate needed to be beneficial and there is no technology needed to drill into the deep-hot.

As for Mexico's potential, that is largly dependent on foreign oil companies(hopefully US) developing that potential because Mexico doesn't have the technology or capital to do it.

As for this book, it is just another stoooopid attempt to weave a conspiracy theory so Corsi can sell books and Craig Smith can sell gold to the kooks.

22 posted on 09/05/2006 7:38:58 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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Check this out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060905/major_oil_discovery.html?.v=10

New oil find in Gulf of Mexico could boost U.S. reserves by 50%!


29 posted on 09/05/2006 7:52:20 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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they ought to mark this one political incest alert....


32 posted on 09/05/2006 7:56:38 AM PDT by PDR
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Bogus argument in this article.

Gas costs what is costs because consumers are willing to pay that price. The argument that gas prices are high due to some supply problem is not valid. Has anyone seen widespread "We Have No Gas" signs in front of filling stations?

The number of illegal aliens in this country has little to do with the price of gas. It has a lot more to do with the amount of spine in the backs of our politicians.


35 posted on 09/05/2006 8:07:09 AM PDT by kidd
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38 posted on 09/05/2006 8:14:22 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


45 posted on 09/05/2006 9:28:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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on the immigration myth, remember we have amnesty now for those who have been in the USA. There ALREADY IS A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

the difference between the law now and the senate amnesty bill is that the law now is a 15 year path and the senate wants it to require LESS PROOF and last only 5 years.


46 posted on 09/05/2006 9:28:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Next time you stop at the pump and pay through-the-stratosphere prices to fill your car's tank

Gas prices are not stratospheric and in fact, the prices have dropped considerable in the last month.

At the Circle K where I buy, the price has dropped over 25 cents in the last 3 weeks.

47 posted on 09/05/2006 9:33:36 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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"Mexico has the third-largest proven reservoirs of crude oil in the Western Hemisphere — behind Venezuela (dominated by the America-hating pro-communist Hugo Chavez) and the United States. Any crackdown on illegal immigrants, according to authors Smith and Corsi, "would have an immediate [negative] impact on Mexico."

I noted this on an FR thread months ago and was castigated for it.


57 posted on 09/05/2006 4:20:40 PM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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