A Giuliani Conservative Tilts at Religion

NY Observer ^ | September 6 2006 | Niall Stanage

[nickcarraway]

Gerald Ford was a libe4rtarian? In what universe?

[BW2221]

It's interesting how divisive the Rudy threads are. If he is the GOP standard-bearer in 2008, I expect the Constitution Party candidate will receive a significant bump in votes.

[Jane Austen]

Yes, Rudy will not win. Amazing that he is completely soft on national security. Did you read where he wants a variety of services specially for illegal aliens? Not a man who will stand up for his country.

[Blackirish]

Did you read where he wants a variety of services specially for illegal aliens?
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No ...but last month I saw him on O'Reilly saying that we need to secure the border.

[Always Right]

The libertarian wing, he said, “is muted. They count for much less than they used to. In many ways, Gerald Ford was the last President to represent that tendency.

Gerald Ford a libertarian????

[Reagan Man]

Since we have a couple years to go, along with a primary season and a convention, the choice for conservatives in 2008 might come down to the final months, weeks and days before the election. Maybe election day itself. Consider that when you find yourself being unable to control your rhetoric. Trashtalk is easy. If you want a united front in 2008, be respectful of conservatives. They constitute more then half of all GOP voters.

For well over 30 years all my votes have gone to a Republican candidate. Only once have I ever voted for a pro-choice candidate for POTUS. That was Gerald Ford in 1976. Back then Roe v Wade was only three years old and abortion rights wasn't a major political issue for the majority of Americans. Reagan changed all that in 1980. And since Reagan in 1980 every GOP candidate for Prez has been a pro-lifer.

As a conservative Republican, I've never voted for a true leftwing liberal politico in my life. As things stand today, I never will either.

[Blackirish]

As this thread shows if Rudy is nominated the relationship between the social right and the fiscal-libertarion/right may snap.

If Rudy wins in the general the dims could also split out of anger...one part a DNC repub lite the other an angry Move-on mob.

Maybe these splits are overdue and a good thing. We shall see.

[Jake The Goose]

One issue one belief.

We can win without you.

[Tax-chick]

he did transform NYC from a crap hole to one of the finest and safest larger cities in the world and did keep his cool (unlike chocolate-city nagin) during the worst crisis in American history.

Maybe he'd like to relocate and run for Mayor of Houston, or something.

Speaking of "worst crisis in American history," U.S. Grant won the Civil War, was a personally virtuous man, supported the NRA, and had a swell beard ... but he was a rotten President!

[JamesP81]

“I’ve just been impatient over the last six years,” she told The Observer. “I don’t remember anything like this current assumption that candidates should talk about their relationship with God. What is that supposed to tell citizens?”

One of the Founding Fathers (John Jay, IIRC) commented that it is desireable for people to select and prefer Christians as their leaders. Not required, but preferred. We are, as a nation, a long way from where we came.

[JamesP81]

Any candidate that is pro-choice, pro-civil unions, and pro-gun control may be a republican, but he's NOT a conservative.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>.... last month I saw him on O'Reilly saying that we need to secure the border.

I've got the interview. Giuliani did say we need to secure the borders. Giulaini also said to O'Reilly that he wanted to "regularize" illegals. Regularize is the latest buzz word, the newest code word for, amnesty. Giuliani doesn't support the Hosue enforcement ONLY bill, HR4437. Giuliani supports the Senate's amnesty bill, S.2611. Giuliani stands with Bush, McCain and Kennedy.

* RG: And then you have to have a way in which people can regularize themselves as well. I mean, you need to get people out from under the table.

* BOR: So you would give them a pathway to citizenship?

* RG: I would say -- this is a classic thing where you've got to do both, carrot and stick.

[DManA]

Mr. Giuliani, long viewed with suspicion by me because of of his pro-socialism positions.

[longtermmemmory]

Obviously Ruddy's supporters "don't get it"

Rudy is a typical lawyer candidate. That's it.

Being president is not the same as being qualified to be a mayor of NYC.

I bet many politicians are going to do this BS (non christian christianity) religion because they personally are anti-religion.

[JamesP81]

RKBA is not a specifically "religious right" issue, but it's more than enough to keep me from voting for the man for any national office.

I agree. Unfortunately, many of my Christian brothers and sisters see pols wanting to outlaw firearms and they don't see anything wrong with it. In this case, Guiliani has other downsides that will turn them off, but if he were pro-life and pro-traditional marriage I expect a great many Christians wouldn't care if he were pro-big govt and pro-gun control.

[DManA]

What in the world kind of name is Mac [space] Donald? Was her maden name Mac and she married a Donald? Where's the hyphen. Can you have two last names?

[Coleus]

Maybe he'd like to relocate and run for Mayor of Houston, or something. >>

Like they say, "he's America's mayor" that's a good idea.

U.S. Grant was a rotten President! >>>

he sure was.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>We can win without you.

You maybe able to win without my single vote. Its the other 50+% of Republicans voters you'll have trouble winning without.

[Jake The Goose]

My suggestion:

[Zack Nguyen]

Well said, Sauropod.