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When Big Brother Wants Your "Stuff" (FL Socialists Trample On Property Rights Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/12/06 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/12/2006 1:56:42 AM PDT by goldstategop

The city of Cooper City, Fla., has given itself the power to seize residents' personal property in times of emergency.

Officials deemed this new law necessary because of what is expected to be a busy hurricane season.

But don't worry, they say. The law would never be enforced unless there were no other options – presumably meaning that the city could not persuade private citizens to permit the government to borrow, rent or buy their equipment.

Think of it as eminent domain for generators, power tools, trucks and anything else local czars determine they need.

Not surprisingly, this plan has met with some resistance.

''These people, with their mindset, should be arrested and put in jail for even attempting to do something like this,'' said Tim Wilder, a mobile mechanic who owns emergency tools and equipment.

While Commissioner Elliot Kleiman acknowledged that such a law is subject to abuse, he explained, ''but it's not going to happen here.''

Wouldn't that make you feel better?

You see, tyrants and dictators always believe they will be benevolent – that they would do the right thing in all circumstances. Few people run for office or seek power believing they cannot be trusted. They almost all trust themselves.

However, if we could trust people in power, we wouldn't need the safeguards we have in America to keep them in check, to limit their authority, to restrict their actions, to maintain the rule of law rather than the rule of men.

What's happening in Cooper City is not unusual. Unfortunately it is happening all over the country. It's happening in local governments. It's happening n state governments. And it's happening at the federal level.

That's why this is worth talking about – worth thinking about, worth praying about and worth fighting with all of our American resolve for independence and liberty and individual freedom.

It's easy for government to respect civil rights in the best of times. The challenge is for government to respect them in the worst of times. And few rights are as foundational as property rights.

That's why I agree with Mr. Wilder. That's the theory behind our rights. But what about the pragmatic implications of seizure laws like this? Are they really effective? Or are they, in fact, counterproductive to saving lives and property in times of emergency?

Think about this.

The best emergency scenario is that people themselves are prepared. Even the most well-equipped, efficient, resourceful and powerful government in the world can't take care of everyone's needs in an emergency.

Does a law like the one approved in Cooper City encourage people to prepare for emergencies? Or does it discourage them?

Most of the adamant objections to the law come from people who are prepared – people who make preparedness a way of life, people who even make a living investing in and operating emergency equipment.

Are these not the very people we need during times of emergency? Isn't it better to encourage people to do just what these folks are doing? Isn't it better for all concerned if we don't discourage people from making those investments and maintaining those businesses? Would any city or state want to drive these people out of their jurisdictions by raising fears of confiscation of their property and livelihoods?

Furthermore, why would other private citizens knowingly invest their own dollars and cents in preparing when city officials are giving them the impression that their neighbor's equipment will be seized by government to rescue them?

It's just one more example of a law that makes people more dependent on government – never a good idea in times of emergency.

You want to hear the real kicker? The Cooper City law, as with so many others like it, would allow officials to prohibit possession of firearms in times of emergency and close any public gathering place.

There go the First and Second Amendments as well as the Third, Fourth and Fifth in one fell swoop.

Is there any point in owning anything any more? Or, maybe a better question would be: Does anyone, besides government, really own anything any more?


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To: Ben Ficklin
Its not my job.

Without evidence, your assertion is useless. What a cop-out.

81 posted on 09/12/2006 11:17:32 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: jmc813

Good question..


82 posted on 09/12/2006 11:20:26 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Ben Ficklin
fail to see how America's/American's willingness to help others here and abroad during catastrophe as "sad" In fact, it is you who oppose such activity, that is sad.

What a barftastic strawman troll post.

83 posted on 09/12/2006 11:24:05 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Simply look at Katrina and other catastrophes."

So the police confiscating law abiding citizens guns was ok with you?

You seem to think that 'government' has all the rights and not the citizens.

I got a clue for you sparky.

WE are the government.

Not some political local hack that wants you, me and anyone they disagree with to just 'step aside' whenever it's convenient for them.

It's one thing for 'citizens' to help each other and quite another for 'government' to force that help.

If I don't want to help, then that's MY prerogative.

NOT the goverment officials.
84 posted on 09/12/2006 11:39:02 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
While Commissioner Elliot Kleiman acknowledged that such a law is subject to abuse, he explained, ''but it's not going to happen here.''

I have these for sale cheap any takers?

Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

85 posted on 09/12/2006 12:47:09 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: All

So if I prepare, I have supplies and the COOPER CITY GOVERNMENT decides that I the "collective rights" demand my preparations be redistributed (without compensation) then they will take?

Does this apply to firearms?
Does this apply to generators?
Does this apply to food?

This law is too broad.


NOTE: cooper city is in Blue Zone Broward (ground zero 2000) county.


86 posted on 09/12/2006 12:47:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sir Gawain

You may not like it, but it is true. This is not to say that are some, such as youself, who would rather piss on them.


87 posted on 09/12/2006 12:54:36 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Bigh4u2

Most everyone, malcontents excluded, would agree with the city council. In fact, the article says that only one asshole complained. Was that you?


88 posted on 09/12/2006 12:59:15 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Yawn. Charity doesn't come at the point of a gun. Next strawman?


89 posted on 09/12/2006 1:00:30 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Drammach; All

How do we get the GOA or the NRA on this.

Cooper city is a den of democrats and those florida cities basically live by the philosophy hat all laws are constitutional until a judge (who lives in cooper city broward) says otherwise.


90 posted on 09/12/2006 1:00:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sir Gawain

As the article points out, the state and other municipalities have laws similar. Deal with that, outside agitator.


91 posted on 09/12/2006 1:04:22 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Oh, well that makes it alright. As long as it's legal, it's all good huh?


92 posted on 09/12/2006 1:05:45 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

Not only is it legal, but is accepted. Except for the single complainer.


93 posted on 09/12/2006 1:07:54 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Glad to know you would have gone along with slavery while it was legal and accepted.


94 posted on 09/12/2006 1:10:43 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Ben Ficklin

So you're agreeing? The government has all the rights and the citizens have none!!

Now that I know where you stand (like I didn't to begin with) I can just dismiss your incessant inaneness!!

No need to reply. In fact, I prefer you didn't!

Bye now!


95 posted on 09/12/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Ben Ficklin; Sir Gawain
Except for the single complainer

Oh I'm just sure that the people who planned for emergencies and spent their money for emergency generators, fuel, and food are just hoping that the government comes and takes their stuff and gives it to someone more worthy - like some welfare recipients whose air conditioning didn't work. Hell I'd even give 'em my ammunition - or at least part of it.

96 posted on 09/12/2006 1:20:24 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: abbi_normal_2; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
97 posted on 09/12/2006 1:32:37 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: from occupied ga

Same here. I don't care what kind of cheap badge they're wearing. A tyrant is a tyrant.


98 posted on 09/12/2006 1:34:17 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: from occupied ga
The article points out that the state and other municipalities have a similar law.

Can you show me abuse associated with this?

99 posted on 09/12/2006 1:52:30 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Sir Gawain

99 is for you also


100 posted on 09/12/2006 1:53:37 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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