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Old McDonald had a labor hassle (rumors of federal raids causing 'foreign workers' walk out)
© Copyright 2006, Messenger Post Newspapers. All Rights Reserved. ^ | 09/15/06 | Messenger Post reporter Julie Sherwood

Posted on 09/15/2006 8:32:02 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws

And this is a problem...why?

Basically, the farmer is saying that he should be allowed to break the law.

Mark James, executive director of the Finger Lakes Office of the state Farm Bureau, said other problems stem from workers not coming to work because they've heard rumors of raids. He cited a recent case in which workers at a vegetable processing plant in Ontario County didn't show up one day because they heard of a possible raid. So the plant had to shut down, losing that day's production.

That's the whole point of deterrance, my friend.

1 posted on 09/15/2006 8:32:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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And milking machines were first patented in 1879, so it's not like it should be news to any dairy farmer anywhere in the world.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 8:35:54 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Why yes only in America could milking cows become a crime.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 8:37:10 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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"Brown said he’d been using Mexican workers since 1999, with no problems"

Gee, how were cows milked before 1999??

4 posted on 09/15/2006 8:41:18 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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How do cows get milked in Europe without Mexicans? And don't tell be Muslim immigrants, they're all unemployed per the MSM.

Illegal immigration has been the number one reason for wage stagflation in the United States.


5 posted on 09/15/2006 8:41:45 AM PDT by SampleMan
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Brown is among a growing number of farmers experiencing the effects of stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws.
Oh well..........
6 posted on 09/15/2006 8:43:03 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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How do cows get milked in Europe without Mexicans? And don't tell be Muslim immigrants, they're all unemployed per the MSM.

Probably not muslims, but Polish and other eastern Europeans.

7 posted on 09/15/2006 8:43:50 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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Even with milking machines, it takes one worker over an hour to milk 40 cows. 600 cows would require 15 helpers.


8 posted on 09/15/2006 8:44:01 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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How do cows get milked in Europe without Mexicans?

Eastern Europeans and Pakis

9 posted on 09/15/2006 8:44:16 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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We pay for the schooling of illegal aliens children and foot the health care costs for nearly all of them.
A nice subsidy for the farmers, forced onto the American tax payers.
It's time for farmers to pay the rate needed to hire American workers, and to push for more efficient equipment that reduces the need such labor intensive farming practices.


10 posted on 09/15/2006 8:45:56 AM PDT by em2vn
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BTW, sampleman, when are you going to take a job milking cows, instead of posting on a computer?


11 posted on 09/15/2006 8:46:01 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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If you can't make it without ILLEGAL labor, then you shouldn't be in business in the first place.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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BTW, ShillforIllegalscalledDane, when are you going to take a job doing anything other than shilling for illegals, instead of posting on a computer?
13 posted on 09/15/2006 8:47:19 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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If you can't make it without ILLEGAL labor, then you shouldn't be in business in the first place.

As Mikey says as he milks his own backyard cow within a suburban sub division.(/sarcasm).

14 posted on 09/15/2006 8:48:23 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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BTW, ShillforIllegalscalledDane, when are you going to take a job doing anything other than shilling for illegals, instead of posting on a computer?

Mikey I ain't the one condemning and sliming the farmer getting his milk to market as you are.

15 posted on 09/15/2006 8:49:44 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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Boo Hooo, sniffle, sniffle....

I have an idea. This novel idea has worked for generations. It also removes the fear of all your employees going to jail or deported, all at one time.

HIRE LEGAL EMPLOYEES


16 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:13 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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GREAT MESSAGE, hire illegals and run the risk of losing them all in one fell swoop! Oh yeah, he ought to be fined for hiring them as well.
17 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:39 AM PDT by drypowder
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As Mikey says as he milks his own backyard cow within a suburban sub division.(/sarcasm).

Dane if you want to continue to cover for ILLEGAL activity, that's on you, but you are most definitely NOT going to convert ANYONE to your point of view by being your typical smarmy ass self. I don't have time today to absolutely smash your weak arguments for protecting people breaking our laws, so this will be the last communication between me and you.

Keep shilling for your illegals, I'm sure the ICE would LOVE to inspect whatever business you have....
18 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:43 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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Drug dealers are just trying to their product to market, too. Perhaps we should allow them to thumb their nose at the law as well?


19 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:57 AM PDT by nhoward14
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I'm in a minority here, but I support a guest worker program for this reason. Canada has a program, which strictly controls the workers, forces them to go back to mexico after the growing season, and forbids them any "path to citizenship".

Under those guidelines, having a well-regulated program which tracked these workers, made them pay taxes, but brought them out of the shadows so they weren't paid less than what americans would get paid if they wanted to do these jobs, would solve a large part of the immigration problem.

What i mean by solve is this -- a lot of pressure to NOT crack down on immigrants is the farm lobby which uses this labor, and which really CAN'T find workers in america to do the jobs. If we provide a program for them that makes those jobs available to americans but allows importing temporary workers under strict control when americans cannot be found, we remove a large part of the political support for the stupid amnesty and other parts of the senate plan.

You could certainly implement a guest worker program in a bad fashion, but I don't think we should reject the concept just because it could be done wrong -- we should embrace the concept but done RIGHT. The other side has already sold the name, if we passed a program called "guest worker" that was for part-year employment and threw the workers out at the end of each employment season, the other side would have a hard time with the "wait, that's not what we really meant by "guest worker" argument.


20 posted on 09/15/2006 8:52:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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