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Lowry: Score One for the Neanderthals on Immigration(Present!)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 9/22/2006 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 09/23/2006 7:47:13 AM PDT by kellynla

When it comes to the border, we're all Neanderthals now.

When the amateur border guards, the Minutemen, first set up with their lawn chairs and binoculars at the U.S.-Mexico border and started talking about the need to build a fence, polite opinion scoffed. Now, the fence almost represents a consensus position, embraced by the left and right alike, from likely Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to the rabble-rousing pro-enforcement conservative Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

Sixty-four Democrats just voted with Republicans in the House to pass legislation authorizing 700 miles of double-layered fence along the border. The Senate recently voted 94-3 to spend nearly $2 billion on 370 miles' worth of fencing and will take up the House bill soon. As the panicked National Immigration Law Center says, ''In recent days, there has been a serious deterioration of the position of pro-immigrant forces in Congress.''

This political state of play is the exact reverse of what was widely predicted earlier in the year when illegal immigrants were marching in the streets; Hispanic and church groups were decrying the harsh treatment of illegals in a pro-enforcement House bill; and the Senate was passing an amnesty bill euphemistically dubbed ''comprehensive reform.'' Back then, it was assumed that the crazies in the House would bend to a Senate bill endorsed by all the great and the good. But a funny thing happened on the way to ''comprehensive reform'' - the political marketplace worked.

Instead of embracing the Senate approach, the House undertook field hearings around the country. The delay gave candidates a chance to sample public opinion that is markedly sympathetic to the crazies.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; atzlan; borders; danehatesamerica; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; metrosexual; reconquista; richlowry
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"Consider the Democratic senator from Nebraska, Ben Nelson, who is running for re-election. He once opposed crackdowns on illegals in his state, but now complains that illegal labor crowds out American workers."
1 posted on 09/23/2006 7:47:14 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: gubamyster; A. Pole; HiJinx

ping


2 posted on 09/23/2006 7:47:47 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Oog happy now.


3 posted on 09/23/2006 7:48:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kellynla

"The delay gave candidates a chance to sample public opinion that is markedly sympathetic to the crazies."

Yea, us crazies who favor the rule of law in a modern society.


4 posted on 09/23/2006 7:49:30 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: kellynla

I'm glad to see people coming around to an idea Pat Buchanan has been pushing since 1992.


5 posted on 09/23/2006 7:52:01 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: kellynla
Totally serious now Kellynla.

Do you think the writer of this article has ever picked up a shovel or cleaned a toilet in his metrosexual life.


6 posted on 09/23/2006 7:52:24 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: kellynla

Pfft, it's called "research".


7 posted on 09/23/2006 7:53:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Dane
Not completely metrosexual. He has two strands of hair out of place. ;')
8 posted on 09/23/2006 7:57:31 AM PDT by Rocko (" I tried and failed" -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: kellynla
Now, the fence almost represents a consensus position, embraced by the left and right alike,

"Almost" is correct. The far left and the RINO "the Minutemen are vigilantes" crowd still maintain their suicidal, pathologically stupid positions.

9 posted on 09/23/2006 8:01:11 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: kellynla; MNJohnnie
Another example of why I do not subscribe to National Review. That little twerp Rich Lowry is so consumed with his inside-the-beltway crowd that he feels the need to call border security people "crazies." Nice job, Rich.

Although some people think that I am pro-illegal, this is in fact not true. My disagreement has been with what is both practical and effective to secure the border and solve the problem, with the anti-Mexican statements I see in a few posts, and with the personal attacks on the President.

I do not consider people concerned about border security "crazies" and Lowry is a fool for putting such a characterization in print.

10 posted on 09/23/2006 8:02:08 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: cripplecreek

"Oog happy now."

11 posted on 09/23/2006 8:02:59 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Dane

Rich Lowry is a total waste as a writer, a pundit, and as a conservative. As I told MNJohnnie on another thread, he and his fellow NR buddies are totally consumed with their superiority. meanwhile, every time he appears on Fox he gets rolled by his democrat opponent.


12 posted on 09/23/2006 8:04:12 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Excellent points. May I suggest you email them to National Review Online?


13 posted on 09/23/2006 8:04:13 AM PDT by Rocko (" I tried and failed" -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: Rocko

I will do so this afternoon. I am due at a grandson's football game in an hour, and I need to get my thoughts in order. "Lowry, you little twerp" isn't going to make a good impression. LOL!


14 posted on 09/23/2006 8:05:59 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: kellynla
If the Feds funded (see below) a bounty pool and each state could license bounty hunters (after doing a background check) and then put a $250 bounty on each illegal captured. Let the market place take care of the situation.

Also, fine each employer $10,000 for each illegal and use that to fund the Bounty Pool.

15 posted on 09/23/2006 8:06:56 AM PDT by magoo70804
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To: kellynla
Consider the Democratic senator from Nebraska, Ben Nelson, who is running for re-election...

Clair McCaskill (D, MO) brilliant disguise as a "Tougher Than Talent"
anti-illegal-immigration crusader is the reason she's running a competitive
race for Senate.
16 posted on 09/23/2006 8:07:59 AM PDT by VOA
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To: taxed2death
Ugh, I protect border.

S/off

17 posted on 09/23/2006 8:08:58 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: kellynla
"When it comes to the border, we're all Neanderthals now."

Not quite Rich, I think your buddies over at the Weekly Standard still think open borders is a good thing. That said, I'm glad to see that you have embraced a rational position on protecting our with Mexico. Keep working on Kristol, Barnes, et al.

18 posted on 09/23/2006 8:10:54 AM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: Miss Marple

There are a lot of us who sincerely don't like the idea of them coming here because it's degrading to them and it's disgusting that Americans feel above certain types of work.

In a way I feel the same about forced labor in China producing goods for America.


19 posted on 09/23/2006 8:11:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Miss Marple
meanwhile, every time he(Rich lowry) appears on Fox he gets rolled by his democrat opponent.

Especially by bob shrum, disciple, bob beckel.

How many eletions has bob shrum lost now. You can't count them on one finger, but yet little metrosexual "conservative" Richy Lowry rolls over when he "debates" them.

20 posted on 09/23/2006 8:11:52 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Miss Marple
"I do not consider people concerned about border security "crazies" and Lowry is a fool for putting such a characterization in print.

Lowry used the word "crazies" and "neanderthals" with tongue firmly in cheek -- he's firmly in the pro-border security/fence camp.

21 posted on 09/23/2006 8:13:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
LOL!

You all are freakin bonkers. What part of the pro-tancredo article by #1 metrosexaul "conservative" did you not get?

22 posted on 09/23/2006 8:21:07 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: USS Alaska

He'd do a better job of protecting the border than Congress has been doing.


23 posted on 09/23/2006 8:22:55 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Dane

So you're taking issue with my observation that Lowry is taking a pro-border security, anti-illegals position? Your reputation for being an ignoramus is richly deserved.


24 posted on 09/23/2006 8:28:03 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
So you're taking issue with my observation that Lowry is taking a pro-border security, anti-illegals position? Your reputation for being an ignoramus is richly deserved.

As you refuse to amswer the question posited by me in reply #6 of this thread.

25 posted on 09/23/2006 8:30:28 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Lowry used the word "crazies" and "neanderthals" with tongue firmly in cheek -- he's firmly in the pro-border security/fence camp.

Of course it's written tongue-in-cheek. Good grief, people!

26 posted on 09/23/2006 8:36:47 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Thorin
Even an broken clock is right twice a day.

Other than on immigration, Buchanan is one can short of a sixpack.

27 posted on 09/23/2006 8:38:16 AM PDT by Clemenza (Dave? Dave?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

"Lowry used the word "crazies" and "neanderthals" with tongue firmly in cheek -- he's firmly in the pro-border security/fence camp."

That is the way I read it too. It seemed obvious, but not to everyone, apparently.


28 posted on 09/23/2006 8:42:12 AM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: kellynla
''You show me a 50-foot wall, and I'll show you a 51-foot ladder at the border.'' This is true, and also beside the point. If illegals have to deploy 51-foot ladders to get here, their transit manifestly is going to be more difficult, and therefore fewer will attempt it.

Has anyone ever been up on a 50 foot ladder? I was a paratrooper, and I shudder to think about being on a wobbly 50 footer. However, I will show you a fifty foot wall for you to consider climbing.

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29 posted on 09/23/2006 8:52:20 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: gas0linealley; truthkeeper
That is the way I read it too. It seemed obvious, but not to everyone, apparently.

Amazing that anyone could've interpreted it otherwise.

30 posted on 09/23/2006 8:54:38 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GarySpFc

Oh, I forgot to add, after you climb over the wall with your 50 foot ladder have fun going down the other side.


31 posted on 09/23/2006 8:55:07 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

"I shudder to think about being on a wobbly 50 footer."

Especially when there are armed guards in the towers. LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly


32 posted on 09/23/2006 9:13:22 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Miss Marple

I have yet to see on fox a liberal rolling over a conservative. They're lucky if they get a draw. You must have some inner rage against him.


33 posted on 09/23/2006 9:18:13 AM PDT by DWC
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To: Thorin
I'm glad to see people coming around to an idea Pat Buchanan has been pushing since 1992.

Yep, we Arizonans really needed Pat Buchanan to tell us we are being invaded. /sarc off

34 posted on 09/23/2006 9:28:06 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Miss Marple
I couldn't DISagree more. I think Lowry comes across better against Alan Colmes than Sean Hannity, who comes across as too self-rightous.

I guess different people see things a different way.
35 posted on 09/23/2006 9:35:56 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: kellynla
Right. The best they can muster is the ladder argument. Weak. i wouldn't say it's a victory for the neanderthals, more like a defeat for those who depend on illegal cheap labor to survive. Let's not forget those who believe America can not go forward unless she is driven by a huge underclass.
36 posted on 09/23/2006 9:39:34 AM PDT by fantom
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To: Mr. Mojo

Funny how it was 94-0, not 94-6. Who sat out?


38 posted on 09/23/2006 9:44:28 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: Dane
Good old Dane.

This is an immigration thread so, of course, you're here.

Funny we never see you on any threads when you don't have the opportunity to support a pro-Mexico agenda.

How's your one-man lawn care service coming?
39 posted on 09/23/2006 9:44:44 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: Dane
Do you think the writer of this article has ever picked up a shovel or cleaned a toilet in his metrosexual life.

Do you really think he needs a shovel to clean out his toilet. LOL! From the sounds of this article, he does. ;o)

40 posted on 09/23/2006 9:48:32 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (ISLAM IS A CULT OF DEATH AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!)
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To: Dane
Excellent point.

Way to many metrosexuals in congress and the MSM to my way of thinking.
41 posted on 09/23/2006 9:48:46 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia now a certified socialist state reporting to Mexico City for further instructions)
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To: Mogollon
>>>>>>Yep, we Arizonans really needed Pat Buchanan to tell us we are being invaded. /sarc off

Well, you needed someone to tell you something, since you keep electing open borders fanatics like McCain.

42 posted on 09/23/2006 9:51:55 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Rocko
Not completely metrosexual. He has two strands of hair out of place. ;')

His hairdresser charges an extra $200 for the casual effect, don't you know?


43 posted on 09/23/2006 9:53:13 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kellynla
Especially when there are armed guards in the towers. LOL

That does make a big difference. LOL

44 posted on 09/23/2006 9:56:40 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (ISLAM IS A CULT OF DEATH AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!)
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To: fantom

"The best they can muster is the ladder argument. Weak."

Incredibly weak. An analogous statement would be "why bother with locks on your door, since there's always someone who can pick your lock"


45 posted on 09/23/2006 10:03:34 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: USS Alaska

Looks like a shop teacher I had in high school.


46 posted on 09/23/2006 10:09:12 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Dane
"Do you think the writer of this article has ever picked up a shovel or cleaned a toilet in his metrosexual life."


Not sure what that has to do with anything, but I submit that neither you nor I know. When I worked physically hard I cleaned up like a new dime. And I still clean my toilets, especially since that inane federal law was passed. Regardless Lowery is a sharp dude.
47 posted on 09/23/2006 10:33:42 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: kellynla

I agree. I am very greatful to the Minutemen, they have brought attention to problems we have had for years and could get no one to listen to. If the Minutemen never accomplish anything other than getting attention to the problems, it will have been a great achievement.


48 posted on 09/23/2006 11:06:28 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Dane

I have no idea what WFB saw in rich lowry. Why on earth would Buckley make him editor.


49 posted on 09/23/2006 11:08:35 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: kellynla

A significant difference between America and Europe. Rarely does one find in Europe this sort of voluntary action which is capable of forcing government to action without overthrowing it. Tocquevillle took note of this. Europeans generally defer to authority, which is why their welfare states are so much more paternalistic than our own. Our craziness results in more criminals but also more direct democracy, more moderate and long lasting change. Our politcal system lends itself to this, because our congressmen defer to the wishes of their constituents, whereas in Europe, their MPs defer to the party leadership at all times.


50 posted on 09/23/2006 11:18:43 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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