Skip to comments.Remember the anthrax attack following 9/11?
Posted on 09/27/2006 4:55:59 AM PDT by Renfield
Remember the anthrax attack following 9/11?
Ray Robison does.
There are two prevailing theories. One theory is that a US scientist did it. The other is that the Saddam regime of Iraq or another rogue government with anthrax capability gave anthrax to al-Qaeda. Other theories abound but I will limit the argument to the two theories that fit the facts best.
Those who follow the news about the anthrax attack know that for years the FBI has been investigating American defense scientists. Let me be more specific. The FBI has been pursuing U.S. citizens with high level clearances, years of professional experience and demonstrated loyalty to this country. The FBI has found nothing.
Ray finds a lot of problems with this theory. Then, theres the alternative. Ray looks at it with logic and informed perspective, and finds it more probable that Saddams supply of weaponized anthrax was delivered by Al Qaeda. But, as he notes, a lot of people have made up their minds that no such collaboration existed.
What does your common sense tell you? Most of my friends (usually military) at the time of the attacks believed the anthrax was a continuing, near simultaneous attack with the plane hijackings of 9/11. It seemed like a combined arms attack, a fundamental of modern warfare. Could it just be so simple that al Qaeda hit us not once, but twice in a week? And what would the effect of such a scenario be on an FBI charged with the domestic counterterrorism mission? Would a second al Qaeda attack rub salt on an already horrible wound? And wouldnt it be better for the FBI if the second attack was done by a military scientist, thus the Department of Defenses fault and not a subsequent FBI counterterrorism failure? There are still a lot of questions and for me the answer is and always will be that until I see the proof I will never believe an American scientist did this instead of al Qaeda. I just dont believe it.
Thomas Lifson 9 27 06
The first cases turned up ten miles down the road from where Atta and other 9-11 jackers were staying, and there is no other reasonable source for such stuff those guys would have had other than Saddam Hussein.
There are lots of sources now that it's official that the anthrax was not "weaponized". It was merely well grown, cleaned and ground.
The woman who's husband died of it in SOuth Florida....is suing the government for $50 million dollars. Says it was there fault.
Hey, fools, some of my friends just knocked your two towers down and if you try to do anything about it, this is what could happen, ****-you, and have a nice day.
Nobody else on the planet ever had an anthrax program that sophisticated.
My 5 year contract was cut short by 3 years as a direct result of these attacks (There was more than one antrhax attack). My company folded and ten people lost their jobs because of it.
Once a perp is identified, I intend to file for damages.
Keep in mind, the postal service has investigated anthrax threats for many years, but they almost always turned out fake. Until this one.
I agree. I think it was a carefully planned death cultist who mailed the letters, then got on a plane out of the country.
Unfortunately for the attackers, they screwed up ~ the letters they so carefully mailed in Florida ended up in mail transport equipment (MTE) thought to be empty.
Rather than spreading anthrax spores through airport baggage and express operations, several airplanes, postal facilities and important government buildings, the letters got carried by ground transport and bypassed almost everything but 3 main postal facilities and a US Senate mailroom.
This attack was not a "warning" ~ it was a full scale attack against the main postal operations in the capital city of the United States of America, the Congress, and the main baggage and express operations in New York City, and Washington DC.
It's roughly the equivalent of a severing of the head!
I thought I read that we originally got Saddam started with some anthrax during the Iran-Iraq war. If that is true, Saddam's anthrax would have a USA signature. So, if we gave it to Saddam, Saddam could have conducted the attack with our own anthrax and it would have been traced back to our own supply.
The question is, why was that anthrax attack a one-time bad deal? We responded to 9/11 by overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan and (IMHO) we responded to the anthrax attacks by invading Iraq. Why was it possible to attack us once but not again?
I doubt the DIRECT involvement of al Qaeda or Iraq...notwithstanding the "Death to Israel", "Death to America", and "Allah is Great" at the end of the letters.
Those phrases are pretty much "standard" Left Coast rhetoric: the kind you'll see on signs in San Francisco,etc.
I've read the FBI microbiology (David Beecher's)report, and it is clear there was no "additive": just very fine particle size-obtainable in a flash dryer,or (perhaps) a bead grinder.
I always THOUGHT clumping would keep the stuff from being effective, and that is true if you are talking about a battlefield weapon, but fine powders will aerosolize when disturbed by air currents.
I'm sure most mailrooms - especially in Florida- had AC running - or fans, at the very least.
Beecher cited one case in his report, in which overseas researchers carelessly dropped a little piece of infected brain tissue on steps. Ordinary foot traffic ground it fine enough to disperse,and to contaminate a large area.
My theory all along is that Hatfill somehow was compromised to SUPPLY Al-Qaeda or whoever---maybe even unknowingly or indirectly. It's just too convenient that the attacks ended the minute he became the target. Al-Qaeda continued to function in the U.S. (as seen in the Buffalo stings) well after 9/11.
Does anyone besides me remember a National Enquirer feature just days after 9/11 tell all by a woman who had been in the sack with OBL? I remember she insulted his size, insulted his entire performance. It was hilarious at the time, but I've always wondered if that could have triggered the attacks.
"I thought I read that we originally got Saddam started with some anthrax during the Iran-Iraq war. If that is true, Saddam's anthrax would have a USA signature. So, if we gave it to Saddam, Saddam could have conducted the attack with our own anthrax and it would have been traced back to our own supply."
Nope, anthrax occurs all over the world. We diagnose cases in livestock in several US states every year and the same can be said in other countries. This was not an unusual anthrax strain but one found in multiple locations throughout the world. Nevertheless, I see Al Qaeda fingerprints all over the human targets on the basis of common sense. Just as a side note--the head of Saddam's bioweapons program did her graduate work at the University of Missouri.
The anthrax strain was a highly weaponized one.
The only possibilities that make sense is that a person in the military/industrial complex wanted to wake us up to the threat; or,
Saddam gave a very small sample to al-Qaeda and he decided to not give them any more after the US starting beating the war drum against Iraq as well as Afghanistan.
The letters were postmarked a week after 9/11, and the location where the hijackers trained was already reported in the news by then - the National Enquirer letter seems to me an attempt to create a false geographic link to the hijackers.
There's so much people just dance around or ignore - like why Daschle and Leahy, of all people, are the governmnental figures singled out for animus by Al Queda or Iraq, in the second set of attacks.
I believe that was its purpose. The targets were obviously going to make the news.
How is it that they even discovered it was anthrax for Stevens EXCEPT that the other letters had been received. I think we're missing a piece.
The attacks must have been planned for some time and weren't just some spur of the moment. There must have been one real target and the other targets were just red herrings IMO.
The Ames strain was provided to Iraq as part of a then routine exchange between agricultural schools -- anthrax was generally considered a veterinary medicine issue.
And the US didn't supply Saddam with anything other than some relatively low level intelligence (by our standards) concerning the location of the Iranian military.
(1) The personnel trained to carry out the attack died in the airplanes on 9/11
(2) It didn't start on time ~ like they'd thought. The attackers imagined hundreds of thousands of people throughout the country coming down with pulminary anthrax shortly after the WTC and DC (Pentagon) attacks. Obviously it's not the sort of thing that creates very much of a dramatic flourish.
(3) Although there was widespread exposure to anthrax, only a small fraction of those exposed got sick, and even fewer died. Unexpectedly (to everyone) Cipro "cures" the condition if you catch it in time.
(4) If there's been another attack using the USPS as a vehicle, you haven't been told about it, and the anthrax (and lebenteenzillion other germs and poisons) were detected in a timely matter by special equipment installed in postal facilities since 9/11.
He sent his stuff to Planned Parenthood ~ they complained ~ he got prosecuted.
One of the largest fake attacks, amounting to hundreds of thousands of letters, was actually carried out by Planned Parenthood against its own donors, practitioners, and victims.
Fortunately it was stopped in time to prevent widespread panic ~ no one was prosecuted ~ presumably they're being protected by the Gonzales Justice Department, but this case should be readdressed and people sent to jail for a long time.
You could do it at home.
One of the victims reports that she received such a letter by September 18, just a week later, and during a period when no First Class Mail was being carried by air.
All the mailpieces could have been dropped in mail collection boxes in Boca Raton, Florida on the evening of September 7 or 8, and been "lost in the mail". (I've explained how this can be a normal experience for single-piece rate First-Class Mail letters weighing one ounce or less many times).
They would then travel by truck to Philadelphia BMC, and from there to a major mailer in the Trenton area.
These letters would be found during the course of operations during the week of September 10-14, and September 17-21, and dispatched out with non-presorted First-Class Mail from the mailer's plant to the nearest USPS MPC. They would have been canceled and sent through the system.
This backdoor route would successfully avoid contaminating postal equipment between West Palm Beach facility and the destination points (addresses) except for one letter which was delivered to an individual at American Publishing (National Enquirer, Star, etc.). That one was dropped in the inside letter mail drop at the Boca Raton post office, most likely while the attackers purchased an additional half dozen postage embossed envelopes from an afterhours vending machine.
Apparantly someone at Planned Parenthood thought it would be useful to INFORM their crowd of how dangerous anthrax could be by sending them what amounted to a fake anthrax attack ~ just to wake them up you know.
Of course that would have inspired wholesale panic particularly since Waggener was busy doing the same thing himself.
I still think someone at PP needs to spend a long time in jail for it.
yes, but in whose home was the lab? if AQ made this stuff inside the US - where is their lab?
Who said it took a laboratory to grow it ~ dead cows in the field can do the job.
it had to be milled, needed dryers, it didn't "come from the field".
Works both ways.
What you say makes sense.
It will be hard for you to file for damages from Saddam. His wealth is gone and his life will be too.
SPEAKING OF MOSUL:
I disagree with the "no other reasonable source" part. There are literally tens of other possible sources, if you count governments and agencies within governments separately.
1988 : (IRAQI SCIENTISTS NASSIR HINDAWI & ABDUL RAHMAN THAMER TRY TO ACQUITE THE AMES STRAIN FROM THE UK’s PORTON DOWN) Also, top Iraqi scientists Nassir Hindawi and Abdul Rahman Thamer first tried to acquire a sample of the Ames strain from Porton Down in 1988. They were turned down, but over the next two years they did manage to purchase an enormous quantity of anthrax-ready biological growth medium from a British commercial supplier. And nine other strains of anthracis from the Institut Pasteur and an American company now located in Manassas, Virginia. And at least two variants of the intensely pathogenic Vollum strain from...who knows where, and in addition to who knows what else. ————http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/669487/posts
Yep, very old... every so often I run onto an old thread and update it if I have anything in the files to add.
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