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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: ml1954
Irrefutable evidence that these "animals" are actually evolutionary changes instead of just distinctly different animals with similarities.
561 posted on 09/28/2006 2:52:21 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: SoldierDad
I'd be interested in an explanation of what you believe that human qualities are being ascribed to with regard to this topic

"evolution is anti-religious"

562 posted on 09/28/2006 2:53:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: SoldierDad

Irrefutable evidence that these "animals" are actually evolutionary changes instead of just distinctly different animals with similarities.

You need to define what you would consider to be 'Irrefutable evidence' for anyone to be able to say it's possible to provide such evidence.

563 posted on 09/28/2006 2:56:10 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: RobRoy
"The issue here is not "evolution" – a broad term that can mean simply change within existing species (which no one doubts). The issue is Darwinism – which claims that all living things are descended from a common ancestor, modified by natural selection acting on random genetic mutations."

Which is why the first tendency is to abandon the thread.

The statement is disengenuous and specious. And, for the most part, wrong.

564 posted on 09/28/2006 2:56:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: ml1954; SoldierDad
You need to define what you would consider to be 'Irrefutable evidence' for anyone to be able to say it's possible to provide such evidence.

So far it appears that "irrefutable evidence" is what ever is provided, plus 1%. And we have irrefutable evidence that SoldierDad doesn't apply the same standard to other branches of science.



565 posted on 09/28/2006 3:02:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Last Visible Dog
Why didn't you answer the question about the hypothetical anesthesiologist?

And I'm guessing you wouldn't ever judge someone for becoming a Muslim, scientologist or Satanist?

Like MLK said (paraphrased and updated) - we need to judge a man by the context of his character and not the color of his skin or his religion

"Updated" -- like adding a factor that involves choice (religion) alongside one that doesn't (skin color)?

We have freedom of religion in this country - I guess you are against freedom - do you want to force your personal religion on other people?

That's an argument a liberal would use. I am not suggesting this fellow not be free to practice his religion. Far from it. I am suggesting that I question ANYONE'S view of reality who joins a cult. You are saying I shouldn't have the right to do that?

FWIW, my religion is not evangelical at all, so it's not possible to force it on others.

566 posted on 09/28/2006 3:05:33 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: ExtremeUnction

For being here a couple of years, you are ignorant of the purpose of FR. You wrote, "Take your scripture and go somehere else. This site is for people who will open their minds and think." That stance is directly counter to the position of FR's founder. Consider how pro-God the founder of FR is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

Indeed, this site is for people who are thoughtful.


567 posted on 09/28/2006 3:11:53 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Last Visible Dog

Group attacks aren't personal. Only personal attacks are disallowed.

When I said, "What a dumba$$" that wasn't personal, see. All I was saying is here comes the nonsense, name-calling, and unsupported accusations.

The above is based on the logic that you hold.

But you aren't that stupid, you know that is a personal attack, just like your bozo alert was.

You are playing games, but what else can one expect from a creo? Honesty? LOL!


568 posted on 09/28/2006 3:19:49 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: Last Visible Dog

Not bitter or angry. I just don't like to waste my time on fools.

And with that, thank you for reminding me that I am finished with you.

This is my last post to you.


569 posted on 09/28/2006 3:21:27 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: stands2reason

Not bitter or angry. I just don't like to waste my time on fools.

"Wasting Time On Fools": (MI: Middle Internet) An inevitable occupational risk and negative experience, increasingly and strongly, associated with spending time responding to irrational posts on some Internet forums.

570 posted on 09/28/2006 3:43:41 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: freedumb2003

So, the sense I get from this discussion is that my options are to 1) accept your position that all animals evolved from some other animal or 2)

No, wait, there is no option two in your world.

My father had a similar view -

Rule 1) I am never wrong
Rule 2) If I am ever wrong see rule 1.

Lousy world to be raised in.


571 posted on 09/28/2006 3:44:03 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: freedumb2003
It is not clear how such a statement qualifies as anthropomorphizing.
572 posted on 09/28/2006 3:45:53 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: ml1954

Why is it the hostile ones that always accuse me of being bitter and angry?

Gotta be some serious projection going on there...

It's against my religion to be bitter and angry, and I am pretty fricken aware of when I sin, because there's this thing called "guilt" that goes with...


573 posted on 09/28/2006 3:49:31 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: SoldierDad; finnman69
And none of the above "proves" that one species of animal "evolved" into a different species of animal.

Obviously evidence can't prove anything in the sense of a geometrical proof. It can show "proof beyond a reasonable doubt", however.

Here's an interesting and amusing website, Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes. Rather than showing the evidence for evolution, it shows a bit of the evidence against intelligent design. Learn about the recurrent laryngeal nerve, then come back and explain why the hypothetical designer was allowed to keep its engineering license!

574 posted on 09/28/2006 3:51:31 PM PDT by Virginia-American (What do you call an honest creationist? An evolutionist.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Could it be that the American people are skeptical of Darwinism because they're smarter than Darwinists think?

Naw - never - no way!

We is much smarter dan da is!!!


--EvoDude

575 posted on 09/28/2006 4:01:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: finnman69
These creationist goons make thinking conservatives look bad.

How!?

Do EVOLUtionist goons make thinking LIBERALs look bad as well??

576 posted on 09/28/2006 4:02:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Buck W.
It describes a theorized mechanism, one which is perfectly compatible with Christianity. Oh?
577 posted on 09/28/2006 4:03:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Virginia-American

So, a lack of Human understanding of why certain structures are made the way they are is evidence that ID does not exist. Because man (woman) cannot explain these seemingly bizare structures, then God cannot exist. Hmmmmm. Interesting theory. Still doesn't exactly provide any direct evidence of evolution, though, does it?


578 posted on 09/28/2006 4:07:06 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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To: stands2reason

Why is it the hostile ones that always accuse me of being bitter and angry? Gotta be some serious projection going on there...

When they run out of substantive arguments and other irrational rhetoric, they accuse everyone who doesn't agree with them of being bitter and angry, not just 'evos'.

579 posted on 09/28/2006 4:08:38 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954; SoldierDad
... I assume you realize that every fossil found that fits into a 'gap' in the fossil record between two previously discovered fossils creates two new gaps. ...

One fact that's not often emphasized is that fossils always fit into these gaps. We never see, for example, fossilized pegasi or centaurs. There are plenty between dinosaurs and birds, or reptiles and mammals, but none whatsoever between mammals and birds.

Don't forget Tiktaalik; the ToE was used to predict what to look for and where to dig - yet more confirmation that there's something real behind the theory.

580 posted on 09/28/2006 4:09:12 PM PDT by Virginia-American (What do you call an honest creationist? An evolutionist.)
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