Why Darwinism Is Doomed

WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

[ml1954]

The lack of evidence that the earth is the center of the universe..you are familiar with this, no?

[freedumb2003]

If I had 1/10th Dimensio's knowledge and 1/4 his brains this would be a LOT easier on me.

(great post)

I try to supplant my deficiencies with humor, wit and in the extreme, DRIPPING sarcasm

[Cinnamon Girl]

No. The mudskipper does NOT so appear. It has fins, not feet. It has none of the amphibian skull anatomy of Tiktaalik or other genuine transitional candidates. Etc. And of course as a living creature, with no indication of a long fossil history, the mudskipper is not properly positioned in time to be a transitional, even ignoring its anatomical unsuitability.

Respectfully, this isn't a very good answer. Notice that the mudskipper has little legs with feet in the front and is mobile out of water. Also, are you saying that it can't be transitional because it's alive? At what point do you determine that something is "done" "evolving?"

[Boiler Plate]

So you have no idea how life got here and yet claim to know everything that happened thereafter?

[freedumb2003]

So you have no idea how life got here and yet claim to know everything that happened thereafter?

I have a Scientific Theory, supported by evidence and proper application of scientific principles that provides a general picture of how species now in existance became as they are.

I leave "knowing everything" to those (humans anyway) who know nothing.

[freedumb2003]

Also, are you saying that it can't be transitional because it's alive?

That woulld explain SOOOO much in my life! ;)

[Boiler Plate]

I have a Scientific Theory, supported by evidence and proper application of scientific principles that provides a general picture of how species now in existance became as they are.

Charles, are you back from the dead?

[freedumb2003]

Charles, are you back from the dead?

No, but thank you for the compliment. Darwin was one of the greatest thinkers in recorded history. His assembling of available information into a cogent theory was the MENTAL equivalent of the "747 out of a tornado in a junkyard" analogy that the CR/IDers learned not to run.

[Boiler Plate]

Well if you are not Charles, then all you really have is what you are told. The basic problem is at the molecular level. So here you go Jr, what was the first form of life?

[TOWER]

You are missing the point. Scientific theories are not all encompassing. They explain a certain set of phenomena and let other theories handle the rest. For example, the theory of plate tectonics doesn't include star formation. The theory of evolution do not include the origin of life because 1) we don't know, and 2) it doesn't matter.

God could have made the first organisms, then evolution happened. TToE still stands.

Natural processes could have made the first organisms, then evolution happened. TToE still stands.

Super advanced aliens from another dimension could have made the first organisms, then evolution happened. TToE still stands.

So you see, the origin of life is a moot point. Now matter how it happened, evolution still took place afterward.

[freedumb2003]

Well if you are not Charles, then all you really have is what you are told. The basic problem is at the molecular level. So here you go Jr, what was the first form of life?

Strawmen don't cut it here. And if you want to play the sophomore "what is life" game, I can FReepmail you a list of people who will play (although I think Dan likes to play).

We ALL have what "we are told." I guess it is POSSIBLE (for example) that we never landed on the Moon and it was all done in a Hollywood studio.

But the evidence is that we really went.

And you have already been pinged with some pretty good speculation on the beginning of life, sonny.

But as I told you, that has nothing to do with TToE. Your childish clutching onto the apron strings of what you think makes your case doesn't change a thing -- it just makes you look desperate and ignorant.

[Boiler Plate]

Sorry I wasted your time I thought you might actually know what you are talking about.

[freedumb2003]

Sorry I wasted your time I thought you might actually know what you are talking about.

Some friendly advice to you. Learn the subject before you make your ignorance known the the entire Internet.

Conflating Abiogenesis with Evolution is like conflating the creation of the Universe with sunspot activity. Perhaps related but the study of the latter is not dependent on the former.

Also, your continued hammering of "so where did Life come from" tells us all that you can't take on TToE on its merits, so you create a Strawman (which burns so easily).

Just some friendly advice to help you not look so silly next time.

'Night.

[Boiler Plate]

dumb.
Some friendly advice to you bro,
"Nothing is what it seems"

You only know what you have been told and have not taken the time to critically analyze the fatal flaws in TOE. To say TOE and abiogenesis are not linked is like saying Math and Calculus have nothing to do with each other. The same forces are in play with both. If you can not recognize that then you're a made man, as ignorance is bliss.

[freedumb2003]

You only know what you have been told and have not taken the time to critically analyze the fatal flaws in TOE. To say TOE and abiogenesis are not linked is like saying Math and Calculus have nothing to do with each other. The same forces are in play with both. If you can not recognize that then you're a made man, as ignorance is bliss.

LOL -- bombast in place of analysis (and, we assume, lack of knowledge). Just because you don't understand the subject, don't substitute another. Just admit you don't understand and we can all move on.

And you are free to show us all the "critical flaws" in TToE. We are all eyes.

[Boiler Plate]

You are the one who can't answer the questions. So I now leave you in your Bliss!
Warmest Regards,
Boiler Plate

[freedumb2003]

You are the one who can't answer the questions.

I can answer the ones that aren't rooted in a strawman.

And with that I leave you in your ignorance.

Buenos Noches. FD2003

[Dimensio]

To say TOE and abiogenesis are not linked is like saying Math and Calculus have nothing to do with each other.

Please explain why the process of evolution could not occur if the first life emerged through a process other than abiogenesis.

[Names Ash Housewares]

Lets say its all wrong then for argument sake.

There is so much more evidence around us. The cratered moon, our own world with millennia of erosion, our cratered surface long gone, fossilized past life long gone, moving from simple to complex in the fossile record, there is just so much more evidence that things have been around a very long time.
There would have to be a massive willing conspiracy by so many for hundreds of years in so many different disciplines it is simply not possible.
But lets forget all that too, for argument sake.

Faith in the unseen, unmeasurable, unprovable is still required for belief in any religion.
I can't go there. That is my choice. I need evidence and sound theory tested by consensus. That is my nature, it is who I am, how I look at the world. And I am astonished at how much we have learned and what is yet to learn. Supernatural beings? entities? creators? animals? Which ones? There are thousands. And all of them the same when it comes to evidence of their existence. Faith. Isnt that the requirement of all such beliefs? I am just not wired that way. I however respect most people of different faiths. The country was founded by people of faith and most people hold belief in a creator. Most of the time it is a positive thing for society. Just not for me.

[Names Ash Housewares]

"It is impossible to find evidence of the supernatural in science>"

And why faith in such things for me remains quite elusive.