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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Last Visible Dog
That is not true - the author provides some evidence in the form of a quote from a famous evolutionist.

Do you consider a quote from one evolutionist, who was in no way involved in the development of the theory, to be definitive proof of the validity of conclusions drawn about the theory and the motives of it's authors? The quote from the evolutionist is no better than the evidence upon which it is based, and that evidence is not there.

I understand I am arguing with someone's qualitative opinion. What is it in the article you disagree with, and on what basis do you disagree with it? You've implied that I have no basis to disagree with anything he's said unless I possess at least equal credentials in biology and theology.

701 posted on 09/29/2006 6:29:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: freedumb2003
Evolution cannot be pro- or anti- ANYTHING. It is a theory, not a person. it is no more anti-religious than mathematics.

Nobody claimed a theory has an option they were speaking of those the are big in the field. Your point is nothing but silliness and you demonstrating you don't understand the topic of the thread.

Straw man. That is evidence that a person can USE TToE to push an anti-religion agenda.

Far from a straw-man (to quote Frank Zappa) this is the crux of the biscuit. That is the point the author is making.

So if there is one false Christian minister then all of Christianity is false?

You are not even close. Your example is a bogus analogy since the statement in question does not conclude that Evolution is false.

You are trying to twist and distort. A valid example would be if there is one false Christian minister than it is invalid to claim there are no false Christian ministers.

702 posted on 09/29/2006 6:37:42 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: finnman69
If anyone does not believe in Darwinism, i'll take them on a tour in the Museum of Natural History and explain it.


Oh man....


That line is going to be way too long.
703 posted on 09/29/2006 6:40:14 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: Al Simmons
Gould came from a family of Marxist atheists. So his views on the matter were fixed long before he became a scientist. Evolution is a theory that is religion-neutral. Therefore "evolution is anti-religious" IS a false statement.

So you think you are mind-reader and know Gould's secret motives - whatever

If there is one "pusher" of evolution that is anti-religion then it is a false statement to claim Evolution is not anti-religion. Unless you want to argue the nonsensical position that "theories have no options"

This is simple logic.

704 posted on 09/29/2006 6:42:07 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: stands2reason
Why didn't you answer the question about the hypothetical anesthesiologist?

Because nobody asked me a question about a hypothetical anesthesiologist.

What are you rambling about?

705 posted on 09/29/2006 6:48:09 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Not sure what you are rambling about. Many evolutionists are very anti-religion.

1. Define "many."

2. Some Mathemetians are anti-religious. Some Bus drivers are anti-religious. Some doormen are anti-religious. There is no linkage.

706 posted on 09/29/2006 6:48:29 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: freedumb2003
By demonstrating to the Left we are willing to substitute religion for science.

Who wants to SUBSITUTE?


Ad hominem "rebuttals" also make conservatives look bad.

But....

Ad hominem statements (creationist goons) made by EVOLUtionists are ok?!

Sheesh!!!

707 posted on 09/29/2006 6:51:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: js1138
That settles it then: Hubert P. Yockey has spoken!
708 posted on 09/29/2006 6:53:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Last Visible Dog
If there is one "pusher" of evolution that is anti-religion then it is a false statement to claim Evolution is not anti-religion. Unless you want to argue the nonsensical position that "theories have no options"

Repeating a non sequiteur doesn't make it so. Since you have a problem understanding logic, let me do the work for you:Substitute the word "Mathematics" for "Evolution." Now lets run the statement again:

If there is one "pusher" of Mathematics that is anti-religion then it is a false statement to claim Mathematics is not anti-religion.

Well, I can guarantee you that of the hundreds of thousands of Mathemeticians there will be at least one who is anti-religion.

Thus, by your "logic" Mathematics is anti-religion. In fact, virtually every single branch of science (and all other trades and professions) are also anti-religious since almost all will have at least one anti-religious adherent.

709 posted on 09/29/2006 6:54:10 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: freedumb2003

YOU got the NUMBER!!


710 posted on 09/29/2006 6:55:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Who said "creatonist goons?"

I must have missed it (it doesn't sound like something I would say).

And the fact that someone who understands TToE said it doesn't change the validity of my statement.

"They did it too" is a very childish response.


711 posted on 09/29/2006 6:56:01 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: Elsie

LOL -- I am sure that represents a lovely symmetry for many here.


712 posted on 09/29/2006 6:56:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: freedumb2003
Who said "creatonist goons?"

finnman69

713 posted on 09/29/2006 6:58:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Well that was just mean.


714 posted on 09/29/2006 6:59:48 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Critical Thinking"="I don't understand it so it must be wrong.")
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To: freedumb2003
"They did it too" is a very childish response.

True, but only if the original tale teller wants to appear much more pure than whom(?)ever is being told upon.

715 posted on 09/29/2006 7:00:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: freedumb2003

LOL!

;^)

(But... sometimes very accurate!)


716 posted on 09/29/2006 7:01:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
That settles it then: Hubert P. Yockey has spoken!

I prejudged him based on the fact that anti-evolutionists bring up his name every time they need a mathematician to prove that evolution can't happen.

Imagine my surprise to read his actual words and find that he says information theory proves Darwinian evolution.

At least Wells is reliable. Unless the Moonies accept evolution.

717 posted on 09/29/2006 7:04:40 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: stands2reason
Group attacks aren't personal. Only personal attacks are disallowed. When I said, "What a dumba$$" that wasn't personal

That is not how the English language works - you said "what a dumba$$" The use of "a" makes it an attack on one person (although this is not necessarily the definition of a personal attack). What you were doing is attacking the person that made the statement rather than attacking the statement - this is a textbook example of a personal / ad hominem - you are not going to be able to spin your way out of this.

But you aren't that stupid, you know that is a personal attack, just like your bozo alert was.

Alert - to warn

All I said is "warning, Evo-Bozo's may infiltrate this thread". I directed it at no one person (unlike you)

Spin all you want, you are clearly the one hurling personal ad hominem attacks

Using you warped logic - who is the person you think my "personal attack" is directed toward? That would be Evo-Bozo's so unless you think you are an Evo-Bozo than it is not directed at you. (you did not think that out, did you) See how deep of a hole you dug?

So do you also think the terms "Terrorist Alert" or "Moonbat Alert" are also personal attacks - if so, who is the person it is directed at?

what else can one expect from a creo

I don't know - I am not a creo

718 posted on 09/29/2006 7:07:37 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: stands2reason
Not bitter or angry. I just don't like to waste my time on fools.

...then don't talk to yourself?

Evo's sure to like to use ad hominem attacks.

When the going gets tough, some Evo's turn to personal attacks as they dive for the tall grass

I would like to say "sorry to see you leave" but this thread does not need you ad hominem personal attacks.

719 posted on 09/29/2006 7:11:54 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Stultis
"Not of the mudskipper(s) in particular, but I know these fish are Gobies, and I have a pretty strong recollection that Gobies don't appear rather late (for a major group of rayfin fish), I wanna say as late as the Eocene, and in any case long after the first amphibians."

Cool - I was just curious.

720 posted on 09/29/2006 7:14:32 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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