Skip to comments.Clinton's Kosovo Whopper
Posted on 09/27/2006 9:38:58 PM PDT by Mount Athos
Of all the whoppers told by former President Clinton in his Chris Wallace interview, perhaps the most outrageous was his claim that he was involved in "trying to stop a genocide in Kosovo..." In fact, Clinton's bombing of the former Yugoslavia killed more people than died in this "genocide." And his policy benefited Osama bin Laden and the global Jihad.
In the year before the bombing, some 2,000 people had been killed in a civil war in Kosovo. A conservative estimate is that 6,000 were killed by U.S. and NATO bombs.
It's strange as well that Clinton complained to Wallace about the "neocons" attacking him when many of the same neocons in 1999 supported Clinton's war on Yugoslavia. The war was never approved by the U.N. or the U.S. Congress, and in fact violated the War Powers Act. The main beneficiary of the intervention was a Muslim terrorist group, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with links to bin Laden, who had declared war on America in 1996, bombed our embassies in Africa in 1998, and would later, of course, orchestrate 9/11.
When former CIA official Michael Scheuer says that the Clinton Administration "had eight to ten chances" to kill bin Laden and "they refused to try," he is making a statement that goes far beyond acknowledging Clinton Administration incompetence or a lack of will. The fact is that Clinton had a pro-Muslim foreign policy that actually benefited bin Laden and facilitated 9/11. Most Republicans don't mention this because too many of them were duped into backing Clinton's misguided policy in Kosovo. President Bush, then a candidate, even backed U.S. military intervention there through NATO.
[...] It is noteworthy that the CIA issued a January 2000 report that essentially whitewashed the nature of the KLA and claimed it was pro-American.
(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...
...said HILLARY angrily to President CLINTON, as their TV diversion to mislead the American People away from his Impeachment saga.
.."It's the TV, Stupid, no matter WHO pays for it"
...has always been the CLINTONS' operative M.O.
...said Mr. "No mass graves in Kosovo".
Whatever. Lemme know when you have your Batajnica spin ready, and we can continue with this act in your little circus here.
Nice citation of a Communist organization to support your lies about Kosovo and Serbia.
Why are you on FreeRepublic? The "sources" you cite are all HARD LEFT-WING propaganda groups. FReepers should beware of anything you cite as "facts" or "sources".
The photo of the death camp was debunked years ago.
On 6 August 1992, the international media broadcast pictures of a supposed Bosnian Serb death camp for Muslim prisoners of war. These pictures were taken from footage shot 5 August at a facility in the Bosnian town of Trnopolje (pronounced turn-OP-ul-yay). The film crew from the British news station, ITN, was led by reporter Penny Marshall, and accompanied by reporters Ian Williams and Ed Vulliamy.
Unfortunately for ITN, there is a hard record of what their film crew actually saw in Bosnia on 5 August 1992. That's because Serbian Television (RTS) covered the visit. An RTS crew followed ITN as they inspected a detention center in the town of Omarska and a refugee center at Trnopolje (pronounced turn-OP-ul-yay.), where the supposed death camp footage was shot. So RTS filmed the same things ITN filmed and sometimes filmed the ITN reporters as well. Based on this RTS footage, Emperors Clothes produced a movie which proves that ITN did not film a death camp. Rather, pictures of the refuge center at Trnopolje were doctored and misrepresented to create the illusion of a concentration camp.
Thanks for posting the informative links. Keep up the good work on these threads.
The REAL truth about the clinton/Gates efforts is that they are aimed at promoting the beyond-the nation-state New World Order!!!! The "humanitarian aid", just like the promise of NATO/EU membership to Serbia and its neighbors, is just a come-on for swallowing the NWO Kool-Aid. clinton, as usual, is not a humnanitarian, but a humaniterrorist!!!!.
Tom, its OK for you to "promote yourself" as someone who was on the ground and behind-the-scenes in Kosovo. We have had individuals on FR like the now-banned "Ronly-Bonly Jones" who claimed to have been on the scene in the Balkans, and spewed the grossest Serbophobic propaganda. (We also of course, have low-level NWO hangers-on like Hoppy who promote themselves as "foreign policy experts" and spew the same lies.) Please keep telling, and documenting, the truth!!!!
He made a short visit to Rwanda after the genocide was stopped - by an invading army of expatriate Tutsis, and their children who'd served in the armies of surrounding African countries - and didn't even bother to turn off the aircraft engines, as he gave an insincere - or so it appeared to the Rwandans themselves - "apology".
That war took several times the entire Balkan war deaths in less than 3 1/2 months, and it was directed against peaceful civilians - not separatists, paramilitary, or an army. It was not a civil war againsts armies and armed combatants - but pure genocide where women and children were killed along with the men by the Hutus as quick as they could.
Feel free to ignore the agreement between HRW's and the then Serbian government's numbers.
If new numbers been provided by the Serbian government since Slobo was booted, feel free to cite them, along with the relevant link.
Sorry. It was the debunking which was debunked.
Or are you going to argue with Hume and Deichmann's own statements given under oath during their libel trial?
That does not disprove that in fact the reporters were behind a fence and that the people being photographed were outside the fence.
And given what we've seen with the fake photos from Lebanon, if I was on the jury, I would have convicted ITN of willful deception!
Those people were at Trnopolje because they subject to an ongoing Serbian ethnic cleansing operation, were not free to leave Trnopolje, and were liable to further victimization at the hands of their Serb captors while at Trnopolje.
But if the reporters were behind a fence, it's all Ok?
No, the people were refugees from the war, and many would soon go to Europe on airplanes. Even the skinny man was only there a bit over a week, and lives today in Scandinavia with a wife and at least one son.
Still selling your lies, Hoplite?
There were a grand total of 2,700 bodies found in Kosovo after the Nato intervention. And that count does not break down ethnicicity.
Since then, the Kosovars have ethnically cleansed most of the Serbs.
So go stuff your spin. It might work against the uninformed, but not here.
The Serbian ethnic cleansing campaign undertaken in Bosnia is a matter of historical record, and is beyond your ability to change.
Sorry we had no busisness in Kosovo.. There was no strategic importance for this nation..
Population census shows no overall % shrinking of the Muslim population after the war. They simply dominate in certain cities/areas, as do Croats and Serbs.
It was a land swap, and many people packed their bags and left for Europe - especially the Muslims, which were catered to above the others, and given plane rides to Europe by the 10s of thousands.
Food and medicine to Afghan refugee camps in Pakistani, not cash to the Talaban.
You know, you have a lot of knowledge and wisdom teeth....I'm sorry, Wisdom.....can you explain to me why since genocide was being committed in the Balkans...what? you said, 800K Muslims...why would this happen just recently...being there were....800,000 bodies? so, explain this to me.
Bosnian Serb cleared of genocide
Wednesday September 27, 12:57 PM
THE HAGUE (Reuters) - The U.N. tribunal in The Hague acquitted Bosnian Serb politician Momcilo Krajisnik of genocide charges in the 1992-95 Bosnian war on Wednesday but sentenced him to 27 years in prison for crimes against humanity.
Judge Alphons Orie pronounced him guilty of murder, expulsion and persecution, but said Krajisnik did not have the specific intent necessary to be found guilty of genocide.
Krajisnik, a former right-hand man to Bosnian Serb wartime leader Radovan Karadzic, went on trial in February 2004 charged with genocide, complicity in genocide, crimes against humanity and violating the laws or customs of war.
Krajisnik, who was seized by NATO-led peacekeepers near Sarajevo in 2000, pleaded not guilty on all counts. Defence lawyers had called for Krajisnik's acquittal, saying witness testimony against him was not credible.
Kosovo was a terrible mistake, one of the many bad things that resulted was the lost of Russia as an ally. The US was wrong, badly wrong in Kosovo. Clinton and Chater are fools.
Okay...this means...what? the post? three per grave is a mass grave? You call it a mass grave to give it that impression to the public. Nevermind.....:) you are too far gone and have virtually no valid retort, so we could do this all evening..........
His links are half truths and left wing + government spins that have been debunked for years. It's almost a pathetic attempt to keep the government cover alive.
Putin is in far greater control of Russian foreign policy than you give him credit for. He's hardly so unimaginative that he would only react to what the U.S. did under a previous President (Russian and American), and then stay on that course for a decade.
Since not all of those have been identified as of this time, you have a point as to their not all being K-Albanians, but the discovery of the 1,100 bodies in Serbia proper renders it all moot - Milosevic's forces targeted K-Albanian civilians, and lost Kosovo for Serbia.
It's forum protocol to PING the person you're trashing.
Wrong. First of all, I don't trust the numbers you have cited, because I have not seen them in the larger media - they would have been all over that. The government that replaced Slobbo in FRY had a vested interest in having him removed from the country for a war crimes trial.
And once again, the conflict in Kosovo was a low-grade civil war prior to Nato intervention. For all the talk of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the Serbs, what happened after the Nato intervention? Genocide and ethnic cleansing of Serbs. And that you cannot spin away.
How nice. Then simply consider the Serbs poor traders, given their present straights, and move on.
So your defence is your ignorance of the reporting of the mass graves in Serbia?
Ok. Have fun with that. Meanwhile, the Government of Serbia is carrying the relevant news report on their website, and it's dated October 2005, 4 years after Slobo was extradited.
Show me reporting, Hoplite. And from neutral parties.
Meanwhile, the Government of Serbia is carrying the relevant news report on their website, and it's dated October 2005, 4 years after Slobo was extradited.
Like I said, they had a vested interested in going after Slobo as well.
Show me neutral reporting.
this is true.....my mistake per protocol as I've heard this before and relaxed my Proper Protocol. I've seen both, as it happens frequently, however, this is no excuse...so, thank you for reminding me.
Lemme guess - any news source reporting items not favorable to Serbia won't be considered neutral.
No dice - it is what it is, and if you don't like it, then that's something for you to come to terms with.
...Another whopper. Each new one gets bigger and stinkier. Will this man EVER stop?
There was no cleansing operation by the Serbs...as proven by court testimony and the lack of convictions for genocide. We WILL NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA KEEP LYING TO THE PUBLIC..........I'm going to make this my life mission to write the truth......:) thanks to you Hoplite. No kidding.
Wow....there you go again. you are reading my mind. I was just going to write you and say....any news source reporting items not favored to the Government, left wang groups, and Clinton's lies won't be considered neutral. And, most amazing, I was also going to say, no mice, it is what is and if you don't like it then it something that you will have to cry back to your official experts to give you more BS answers that fits the spin.
Let's try "Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting, Journalism and Tragedy in Yugoslavia". Peter Brock; everyone......for a truthful chronical about the lies the Media told to allow innocent Albanians and Serbs to be murdered by Islamist Fundies and NATO bombs......this is true. High impact statement but true. I'm getting tired of this spin and we are going to to turn up the heat. In due time this will become apparent.
You're working on denying the mass graves at Batajnica right now, remember?
I can tell it's hard for you, but try to concentrate, m'kay?
"The Serbian ethnic cleansing campaign undertaken in Bosnia is a matter of historical record, and is beyond your ability to change."
Big mistake Hopelite. Your answer gives you away. You don't give statements of fact, or bodies or debunk the documented truth tellers. Your answer is the summation of the scum that set this thing up illegally. First you make the statement of spin for cover. Then, as they so well planned by their spin, to make it a matter of historical record to justify their evil intentions for future operations. Third, you stated what the arrogance of these self rightous maggots, to rest in their laurels, believe that one, Americans will believe anything if we spin it the right way, and two; when we write these lies in the history books we can use this to brainwash future generations was our generations perpetrates more of these ops.........
I was wondering how far you went back Hoplite...and you go back quite a bit. You are the same all the way. Offering little proof except the very well constructed and documented spins. Very deep pockets..the same pockets that got Ceku pardoned. Amazing......The same pockets that all most deep six'ed the book about the 1933 Coup Attempt squashed by a Marine Corps General whose shoes these rats aren't good enough to even polish......
Anyway, your interest lies beyond that of someone doing this for a pastime. You are too dedicated and persistent with the same BS........:) You are good practice....
no hoppy, I'm working on items that you can't even imagine right now. Dealing with these are child's play. I'll get around to that when I do....right now this is just over eating a chicken leg....and drinking a beer....:))
I'm jest giting warmed up there ole hopper...ya'll know what I am uh meaning. You haven't seen nuthin yet....lolol :) and I don't mean on this forum ole boy.
From our perspective, it was a mistake. But, from the inner government's point of view, and the strategy it is working quite well and is almost going according to plan. This is the kicker.....it was not by a mistake by no stretch. It was well orchestrated and planned right down to the disinformation, exaggerations and outright lies......for several objectives.....and it's working right now. We have to put a stop to it by writing your congressman to fight against our government supporting an Independent Kosovo for one.
Really? Like who?
Mike "Imperial Hubris" Scheuer is a neo-con now?
Oh by the way.....Russia is the target and they know it already as does Serbia. This is the kicker. Clark ordered a British General to Block the Russians advance to take the Pristina Airport. The Brit General basically told him (Clark) to stuff it....he wasn't starting WWIII for him. Clark somewhere along the way, I am told was relieved of his command......for some reason I don't know for sure. But apparently warranted. Russia is the target as kosovo is designed as a chess piece to move on toward the other Russian states.
No, I'd settle for stories in the IHT or the NY Times for starters on this one, since they were cheerleaders for the Kosovo intervention.
Fine, here ya go.
Now, compare that to the Serbs killed over the years by the Kosovar Albanians. Old women and old men, for starters.
Face it, Hoplite - you are allied with Islamist thugs.
Most people think of Kosovo in the past tense. Democratic critics of the Bush Administration cite Kosovo as a "good war." Allied negotiators refer to Kosovo's final statusindependence in some formas a foregone conclusion.
The Western alliance would prefer to forget the Kosovo war, having become responsible for one of the largest episodes of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. The ninth round of U.N.-sponsored talks on Kosovo recently ended with no agreement. Observes Albert Rohan, in charge of the Vienna negotiations: "We're approaching a moment where by talking alone we won't accomplish the goal. We could talk for another ten years and not change anything."
Unfortunately, the United States and Europeans guaranteed failure by attempting to predetermine the results. The ethnic Albanians know that the West is desperate to get out. They have no reason to make any concessions beyond formalistic promises to respect the Serb minority, promises which are unlikely to be kept by them or enforced by the allies.
The Serbian government has offered everything save independence. After all, which Western government has cheerfully cut itself into pieces? Czechoslovakia begins and ends the list. Belgrade has received no reward for its concessions. Instead, Serbia is supposed to accept prospective membership in the EU as payment for services rendered.
Even as the U.S. and Europeans decided on independence, their deteriorating relationship with Russia raises the possibility of resistance by Moscow. China also has indicated disquiet at the forcible dismemberment of Serbia. If either power vetoes an allied UN resolution, the Balkans will become a global problem.
From the beginning Western officials have lived in a fantasy world. They believed that they could maintain a multi-ethnic territory after the war. It is no surprise, however, that the ethnic Albanians, after using the American-supplied air force to eject the Serbian military, saw no need to retain the Serbian population.
To the contrary, the victorious ethnic majority kicked out roughly a quarter million Serbs, Roma, Jews, and non-Albanian Muslims. The few remaining Serbs were regularly attacked. In March 2004 some 4000 Serbs were displaced as rioters destroyed homes, farms, churches, and monasteries.
Give it up, Hoplite.
Thanks guys good information.
And so are you, if you're an American, both in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's simply a case of choosing and working with the lesser of two evils in order to accomplish your policy goals.
It's a pretty strong commentary that both political parties in the United States are united in their dislike of Serb nationalists - I guess the Serbs are uniters, not dividers. LOL.
Just 'cause I can.
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