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1 posted on 09/30/2006 8:56:38 PM PDT by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

Good news on a dismal day...


2 posted on 09/30/2006 8:57:10 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: VU4G10

Maybe if he had concentrated on fixing his own rotten country instead of trying to interfere with ours he wouldn't have been such a miserable failure.


3 posted on 09/30/2006 9:01:00 PM PDT by Hugin
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He gives up awfully easily. It hasn't been built yet, lots could happen between now and then. Call me cynical, but I see it as one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" things.


4 posted on 09/30/2006 9:03:30 PM PDT by kalee
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In my mind, there are a lot of reasons to secure the border. This will impeded easy entry by both illegals and drug dealers. It will also make it harder for terrorists to come in with the millions of illegals.

The really solve the illegal and potential terrorist problem, we still need interior enforcement, but this is a good and needed step.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 9:05:42 PM PDT by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: VU4G10

If he had been such an insulting a$$clown to those of us who want an end to ILLEGAL immigration, perhaps we would have been more accomodating of legal immigration.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 9:08:02 PM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head (Yahoo!)
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Bush came into office hoping to transform our relationship with Mexico, he saw them as very close partners and hoped to essentially open the border between us.

Most people were so glad Clinton was gone that we were willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt, but there was a lot of doubt about opening the border.

The September 11 attacks changed all that in several ways. First, it put border issues on the back burner. Secondly, it made border security much more important than open border considerations, although it is true that Bush has tried to keep his dream alive. But what made it politically easy for conservatives to oppose Bush on this issue was really Fox's doing. When Mexico drug its feet in acknowledging 911, when they did nothing to help in Afghanistan, opposed us openly in the UN during the run-up to the Iraq war, when they openly sided with France against us, any sympathy on the part of conservatives for a pro-Mexico border policy died.

In discussions with Mexicans about the border, I have told them that a reform of our Mexico policy was almost a sure thing, and for 200 soldiers Fox could have had it cinched. Honduras managed to send 200, Mexico sided with France and killed any notion of an open border for probably a decade if not for good. Any idea that Mexico was our loyal and trusted partner died when they sided against us in the war.


8 posted on 09/30/2006 9:10:48 PM PDT by marron
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To: VU4G10

I'd love to think this title is true.

Color me exceedingly skeptical.

I think the DIMRATS and RHINOS and other clueless sorts in the service of the globalists will get it signed and supposedly ready to be implemented . . . only to insure that it dies on the vine with "not me" to blame.


11 posted on 09/30/2006 9:20:47 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: VU4G10

Ironically, it was 9/11 which stopped "Fox's Dream" from becoming a reality. Bush and Fox had scheduled a major effort just after 9/11 to push for The Plan. That plan is now dead.


14 posted on 09/30/2006 9:30:39 PM PDT by montag813
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but did they actually fund the wall?

Are we going to have a Kerry-esque "vote for the wall, until I vote against funding the wall."


15 posted on 09/30/2006 9:34:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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" Mexican President Vicente Fox retires in November with his dream shattered of a U.S. immigration overhaul that would allow millions more Mexicans to work legally north of the border."

Gee,
Now I feel all bad,
shattered his dreams and all that............

19 posted on 09/30/2006 9:40:54 PM PDT by norton
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Too bad!


21 posted on 09/30/2006 9:41:57 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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The fence is mostly boob bait. It will take years to complete. Meanwhile the illegals are colonizing our country and their employers/landlords don't even get slapped on the wrist for enabling them.


28 posted on 09/30/2006 11:40:43 PM PDT by Mogollon
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Mexican President Vicente Fox retires in November with his dream shattered of a U.S. immigration overhaul that would allow millions more Mexicans to work legally north of the border.

How does the wall change that? All it does is keep out illegal immigrants. In fact, it could strengthen the procedures for getting legal Mexican immigrants in the US if US businessmen need them that badly by cutting off the supply of illegal immigrants.

30 posted on 10/01/2006 1:38:19 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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Bush said at the time the United States had no more important foreign relation than the one with Mexico, but his focus shifted to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq after the September 11 attacks. Mexico insisted on some kind of concession on immigration but critics say Fox did not understand that the new U.S. focus on homeland security made that almost impossible... "It was a total failure by Fox's government," said Manuel Camacho Solis, of the main opposition Party of the Democratic Revolution.
Meanwhile, Fox did nothing while the drug cartels (and soon, Venezuela-financed guerrilas) took over much of his country. The Fence had better be complete, sea to sea, before much longer, but in the meantime, I'll be grateful for the 700 miles approved thus far. Mexico is a goner. American retirees will decamp (or die off by natural causes, with no fill-behind) and US tourism to Mexico will fall, precisely because of the lawlessness; that will accelerate the decline.
31 posted on 10/01/2006 4:14:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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What's wrong with millions of Mexicans finding jobs in Mexico? Revolutionary idea?


33 posted on 10/01/2006 4:17:53 AM PDT by hershey
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I don't plan on holding my breath until the wall is built.

Carolyn

39 posted on 10/01/2006 4:32:37 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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"Mexican President Vicente Fox retires in November with his dream shattered of a U.S. immigration overhaul that would allow millions more Mexicans to work legally north of the border.".............Maybe I'm missing something here but what does building the fence have to do with Mexican workers coming north of the border to work LEGALLY ???


50 posted on 10/01/2006 9:16:22 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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The Drive By Media is crying in its beer. F*ck them. I don't usually resort to a profanity but in this case I feel its warranted. They care more about Vicente Fox's dreams than they do about our national sovereignty... and the safety of Americans.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

52 posted on 10/01/2006 9:19:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Mexico has a back-up quasi amnesty plan... Officials there are about to submit to the president-elect a proposal allowing individual U.S. states to negotiate immigration pacts with Mexican regions for the "temporary" visits of Mexicans in the USA (among other perks and favors that seemingly do little for us up here, or for the struggling pro-entrepreneurial reform movement in Mexico).

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http://www.el-universal.com.mx/notas/378507.html

Entregarán senadores a Calderón propuesta de reforma migratoria

La propuesta elaborada en la pasada Legislatura por el entonces diputado federal del PRI, Roberto Pedraza, contempla una reforma que permita a las entidades federativas de México signar acuerdos regionales con sus homólogos de EU para la contratación de migrantes
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El Universal
Ciudad de México
Domingo 1 de octubre de 2006
09:42 Senadores del PRI entregarán al presidente electo, Felipe Calderón Hinojosa, una propuesta de reforma migratoria mediante la cual podrían evitarse cientos de muertes de mexicanos y terminar con el tráfico de indocumentados.
La propuesta elaborada en la pasada Legislatura por el entonces diputado federal del Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI), Roberto Pedraza Martínez, contempla una reforma que permita a las entidades federativas de México signar acuerdos regionales con sus homólogos de Estados Unidos para la contratación de migrantes.
“Intentamos desde el Senado revivir esta iniciativa denominada Por Una Migración Ordenada entre México y Estados Unidos, mejor conocida como 10-2 y 5-1 la cual se encuentra guardada en el algún escritorio de la Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores desde hace tres años”, lamentó su autor.
El ahora senador suplente dijo en entrevista que se prevé el consenso de más senadores de todos los partidos para entregar la propuesta al presidente electo e impulsar desde el principio de su administración una verdadera agenda nacional en el tema migratorio.
La propuesta establece que además de los acuerdos regionales o interestatales, se promovería la “certificación” de los emigrantes mexicanos, para evitar que se les acuse de delincuentes y con ello también acabar con las bandas de “polleros”.
“El sexenio del presidente Fox fue el de las cuentas alegres en materia migratoria y al final terminas con la construcción de un nuevo muro, vigilado por militares”, expuso Pedraza Martínez.
Deploró que la iniciativa elaborada por diputados federales y consensuada por toda la Cámara de Diputados en la LIX Legislatura haya sido desechada primero por el titular del Ejecutivo y después por el canciller Luis Ernesto Derbez.
Recordó que la propuesta del Congreso mexicano establecía la “certificación de migrantes”, la posibilidad de realizar convenios migratorios entre estados de los dos países, un esquema de trabajo temporal y el pago de fianzas que garanticen que los trabajadores mexicanos regresen al país.
“Se dilapidaron seis años de la actual administración en reuniones de presidentes de ambos países en sus ranchos, de diálogos de amigos, de impulsar el endurecimiento de las medidas migratorias, pero no en una verdadera reforma en el tema que frene las más de 500 muertes de mexicanos en la frontera común”, agregó.


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59 posted on 10/01/2006 11:05:51 AM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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President Fox can still immigrate.

Legally.


62 posted on 10/01/2006 1:10:47 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Las buenas cercas hacen a buenos vecinos)
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