Posted on 10/02/2006 11:36:28 AM PDT by areafiftyone
The gunman in the Amish school shooting tied together the feet of most female students and allowed boys to leave the building before shooting his victims execution style, police say.
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Or you could live a little more like the Amish and turn off the cable tv.
IF the news networks were more responsible about what made the air (lots of other stories could be getting coverage), maybe the potential of "24 hour news" could be met.
The Amish don't grow up with the same cultural influences. I don't fault them for leaving; maybe they could've done something, or maybe they too would've been shot.
Yes, it's a safe bet this guy really was demon possessed. I'm serious. I don't think it was a copycat, I think the creature that got the first guy in Colorado to do this just jumped into this loser.
Jesus said something really interesting when asked about the end times- He said that "Matthew 24:12: And because lawlessness is multiplied, most men's love will grow cold. "
That's what's happening- lawlessness, terror, like this is making it impossible to trust your neighbor. We can't form the relationships that we should, because you never know where the next crazy is going to pop up. Our love is growing cold for each other.
I think it's a safe bet that the same demon that influenced these 2 incidents was ordered to go out and cause trouble. Because with fear, comes people's reactions to want to be protected, to be saved. By the time antichrist comes, things are going to be so bad, people will give him everything he wants in order for them to feel safe. Satan is just preparing us to be terrorized so that we'll need him.
FNC was bragging about their ratings just this morning.
True enough. This was another example of evil permeating our society. It is like sewer gas that you never know when it will explode.
In this kind of a situation, we must follow the example of the brave people on Flight 93. Confront evil and kill it. Even at risk of our own lives. I pray that I would have the courage to do so.
The 9-11 hijacking may not be a lone event, but it does present a number of unusual circumstances.
The hijackers are trained fighters. Most American males did their scapping in school (maybe up into college) with the rare barfight for continued experience.
There is suspicion that hijackers (maybe not the 9-11 teams) trained for hand to hand combat inside the close quarters of an airplane in the Iraqi desert.
The hijackers also had the weapons and the hostages. Stewardesses were slaughtered.
If a knife is being held to a hostage's throat, do you lunge (knowing that he may kill the hostage, but suspecting that either way the hostage will be killed) or try to get the hostage released first?
A leather jacket could offer some protection against a knife blade. In a plane, the blankets that are on the seats can be used to drape and bind a hijacker (especially from behind the seat) but is not a weapon and of limited use defensively. Weapons could be fabricated from some things on the plane.
But you understand what I'm saying, it is from a disadvantaged position.
And in the case of Flight 93, the goal was to take the plane down ASAP (keep it from getting to a populated area). Winning the fight against all hijackers was not the goal. Landing the plane safely was not the goal. Knowing that they were all "as good as dead", go all out, crash the plane.
I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the misuse of the word "execute" drives me up the wall.
I don't think they even called the Jewish community center shooting a hate crime.
Two different issues.
CNN has actually gained viewers. That does not mean they are going to be beating FNC any time soon. However, when one loses and another gains, it's cause for concern.
Truth be told, Glen Beck is gaining audience and is going to be a force to be reckoned with, if CNN doesn't mess it up.
A debate would be a good thing. Censureship would not.
What I am suggesting is that maybe we consider armed terrorists on an airliner, and armed gunmen inside a school, in the same category as the bear--an unfeeling, unsympathetic animal who has plans to harm people and won't be stopped unless killed.
I remember hearing about this kind of social theory pre-9/11. Someone was talking about crime, and saying that if we had a social convention that required you to fight the instant someone tried to take a bus hostage, or tries to take over a bank, or pulls a knife on a subway, then no one would ever do those things. It was not stated as a suggestion, just as a "what if". Of course, no one actually thought we should accept this as a convention, because it would not save lives in most situations. Since 9/11, it has become clear that we need to attack terrorists on airliners, even if it means we will die, because we will die anyway. That we may be at a disadvantage against trained terrorists is a potential problem for the passengers, but they have no better option. Being on a plane headed into a building cannot be much fun, and if you can prevent it, your remaining minutes will have some meaning. Besides, you might even survive, if you can get the cockpit under control. On flight 93, they may have nearly succeeded in saving their own lives. We'll never know.
Origins of the Old Order Amish
The Amish, called "The Plain People" or Old Order Amish, originated in Switzerland about l525. They came from a division of the Mennonites or Anabaptists (Re-baptizers). They opposed the union of church and state and infant baptism. They baptized people only as adults at about age l8. Adult baptism was a crime in the l6th century. Therefore, the Amish come from an impressive list of martyrs. They were put in sacks and thrown into rivers in Europe. There are no Amish left in Europe;
The Amish were saved from extinction by William Penn who granted a haven from religious persecution in America. Since early colonial days the Amish have lived in the United States preserving their distinctive culture, dress, language and religion in peace and prosperity.
A few years ago they were again accused of crimes -- failing to have their children attend school with state certified teachers or failure to send them beyond the eighth grade. Until the United States Supreme Court in the case of Wisconsin vs. Yoder ruled in l972 that it was unconstitutional to force Amish into high school. The decision was based on the Constitutional legal issues of Parental Rights and Religious Freedom.
Since the Amish believe in "turning the other cheek" and do not defend themselves, the National Committee for Amish Religious Freedom and its attorney William B. Ball of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, defended them in court.
It may seem strange that failing to send children to school past the eighth grade would be a permitted or acceptable practice. But the Amish society is itself a school. They train their young people vocationally -- how to be homemakers and farmers, carpenters, and tradesmen from very early ages. By the time an Amish girl is twelve years old she knows how to cook a meal for a whole crew of Amish workers, and a young man knows farm operations by the time he is a teenager.
The Amish therefore have practically no unemployment, since their society is a vocational school. The Amish operate one-room parochial schools and are taught by teachers with only an eight-grade education. However, the teachers have learned how to be teachers with on the job training by an older and experienced Amish teacher. The Amish pupils have been tested with standardized tests by the U.S. Office of Education, and the pupils usually perform above the norms when compared to public schools pupils in their communities. The students are not therefore educationally deprived.
Furthermore, it is difficult, if not impossible, for a non-Amish teacher to teach the values of humility, quietness, and shunning of technological things like automobiles, television, video games, movies and fashions. Some people think the Amish are ignorant because they shun technology, but the Amish are also making profound statements about the environment. They do not use gasoline, electricity, commercial chemicals, CFCs -- all of which pollute the environment.
The Amish live in nineteen states, Canada, and Central America. However, 80 percent of the Amish live in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana. The Old Order Amish take their name from an early Swiss Anabaptist, Jacob Amman, who became their strict Bishop and taught them the Amish ethics -- Living non-resistant lives (They do not serve in the military, but only in hospitals or alternate service), with brotherly love, sharing material aid and living close to the soil and following the Bible literally. They cite the Bible which says, "Be ye not conformed to the world" as their chief tenet.
To this day they endure as a distinctive folk group because they have preserved a mentality of separation from the world and the sentiments of persecuted strangers in the land. They wear plain clothing fastened with hooks and eyes, not buttons. Their men wear broad-brimmed black hats, plain-cut trousers and the women and even little girls wear bonnets and ankle length dresses. They generally oppose automobiles, electricity, telephones and higher education beyond eighth grade.
Their congregations number only about 300. They worship in homes and not in church buildings. They do not drive cars or ride in airplanes, but drive horses and buggies. This keeps their communities small and close-knit, and their children do not live all over the world. Family values are important to them. They are slow to change and speak the German language along with English. They drive horses and buggies for transportation. They practice "shunning" for any of their members who break their rules.
Although many people do not understand their simple way of life, the Amish are maintaining a very profound position. They want to be prepared for the world to come rather than for becoming rich or famous in this world. They would rather maintain a close-knit family life than travel all over. The norms and educational goals of our society which stress product centered, high pressure, technological and secular values are antithetical to Amish beliefs. Therefore, they practice old ways, slowness of pace, simplicity, close-knit agrarian living. The 80,000 Old Order Amish oppose higher education because it violates their morals, their religious convictions and takes their children away from the simple ways of the Amish.
I have no problem with using deadly force against any passenger who tries to break into the cockpit of a plane but we've seen numerous incidents where it has happened (people going crazy) since 9-11 and the media was quick to say that these crazed passengers were not to be held responsible for their actions (which could kill everyone on the plane).
So tackling a potential terrorist/crazy person on a deathtrip could result in a murder charge. You could spend the rest of your life in prison or even on death row even though you'd be acting in a completely self-less manner.
I do suggest in the future when a gunman comes in, that the girls should NOT stay put. Complying with their requests does not provide safety and he can't shoot them all. Men/boys can put themselves between the women and the shooter(s). Provide them some cover.
This is shocking and horrifying. I pray for the families of those Amish girls. I'm just too shocked to say to much here.
I think people can recognize the difference between a terrorist that is threatening a plane, and a disruptive person who is just annoying the rest of the passengers. No one is suggesting that the latter can be murdered. But they can be subdued, tied up and held for the Feds to process upon landing. That has been done a few times in the past few years, and I am not aware of any passengers getting in trouble for defending the plane from loonies.
Islamofascists are counting on crazed lunatics to do what AQ cannot do to America. Something to think about.
Colorado, now Pennsylvania. Someone not liking seeing girls going to school? The timings of these are curious.
And probably involve black helicopters.
I was in another state when the Colorado school hostage/murder crsis happened. Then another one involving a shoot up at a school in Wisconsin. Now, Pennsylvania, and I think there was another in NY today.
I don't think it is AQ connected, directly. I think it's just crazy people thinking like Charlie Manson's mind meld group-chaos type of thinking, happening.
No kidding. They're scary enough when they're just packing rulers!
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