Posted on 10/04/2006 10:49:48 AM PDT by areafiftyone
FORMER FOLEY CHIEF OF STAFF KIRK FORDHAM RESIGNS AMID QUESTIONS OVER WHETHER HE SUPRESSED INFORMATION ABOUT FOLEY EMAILS
Brian Ross, Jake Trapper.
Interesting post at 28...
Seems the lavendar mafia has it in for the Grand Old Party.
Drip, drip, drip.
Exactly right. I do suspect the motives and agendas of some posters here.
Previously, Hastert didn't see the IM's, he did see the emails. He saw the IM's on Friday, 9/29.
Like the Roman Catholic Church, the lavendar mafia has creeped into the GOP bent on undermining its very foundation and destroying it. Foley, Fordham, whomever.
Time to take out the trash, folks.
You, and a lot of people, seem to be confusing the innocuous E-MAILS from 2005, which Hastert said he DID see, with the nasty Instant Messages from 2003, which are the ones Hastert has said he had NOT seen, and about which he wrote to the Attorney General, asking for an investigation, both to see if Foley had committed any crimes AND to find out who had these IMs and didn't tell any authorities what Foley might be up to with the young men.
Wonder if it was Fordham who logged on/off to Foley's email account yesterday while Foley's in rehab?
Seems this bit-by-bit crap will continue until Election Day.
Doesn't matter to me. As a Christian conservative, my message to the DemocRATs is in my tagline!
Have you been listening to Rush today? Sounds like there is an ex-R. page, Haymen that went to work for the Dems. including the Clinton White House staff. Wonder if Fordham can be traced to this guy? Could Fordham have passed Foley's AOL login info. over to the Dems. through this guy? Could Fordham been a lover scorned taking revenge?
I wish I could listen to Rush but he's on when I'm at work. I FEEL SO DEPRIVED!! LOL
Hmmmmmm.....not sure what to make of all this.
Either him or the FBI could have done it. I would think we shall see some more resignations.
Hmmm. I am thinking here. I have a theory.
It is against the law to discriminate against anyone for sexual orientation in hiring.
Now, suppose that a certain number of gays cultivate a conservative personna for the purpose of getting inside information. Now suppose those people find damaging information and forward it to people like Brian Ross.
I am seeing an alarming similarity between this and the situation in the Catholic Church.
There is more than meets the eye in this scandal, that's for sure.
"I want to clarify a few things: When I sought to help Congressman Foley and his family when his shocking secrets were being revealed, I did so as a friend of my former boss, not as Congressman Reynolds' Chief of Staff. I reached out to the Foley family, as any good friend would, because I was worried about their emotional well-being."
"At the same time, I want it to be perfectly clear that I never attempted to prevent any inquiries or investigation of Foley's conduct by House officials or any other authority. Like so many, I feel betrayed by Mark Foley's indefensible behavior."
I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure his background will come out soon too.
Every report I've seen claims the parent didn't want the emails released and Foley was told to cut off contact based on the parent's wishes. How then, did they get the emails?
Isn't Reynolds the head of the RNCC? Or RCC? I think we get mail with his name on it.
Nevermind I'm confusing the Rep and the Senator...there are two Tom Reynolds.
That's right -- Trapper is a left wing, Christian hating zealot.
I like your thinking --- this plot has been in the planning stages for quite some time and the drip, drip, drip was anticipated.
I hadn't seen that.
Crossed my mind as well.
My sole source of confidence is that if I can see this, I am sure Rove and the President also see it, and will be capable of taking appropriate action.
Why does it make a difference? Hastert KNEW about the e-mails either way, but knowledge does not make him guilty of anything. The rest of your info is correct.
Hastert must NOT resign. In fact, he ought to strike back forcefully. At this juncture, it's all about getting Hastert to resign.
Whoa... Not even sure which way to go with this. My brain can't wrap around it. If you told me that Foley was on the Intelligence committee, I'd blame him for leaking national secrets to the press.
That story about Hollywierd is on NewsMax
It matters in that if the parents didn't release them, someone else did. How did they get them and who are they?
Good point. I think someone showed them to the parents, they weren't aware of them before that. Alexander maybe is the person. Can't remember the first name.
They always emerge at election time. Sleepers.
Top GOP Staffer Forced Out for Role in Page Scandal
ABC NEWS THE BLOTTER ^ | October 04, 2006 | Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz
Posted on 10/04/2006 1:28:28 PM CDT by navysealdad
various posters are providing more bits of info about this guy that both bolster and contradict the notion that he's one of the sources of the IMs
Kirk Fordham was chief of staff for Foley for about 10 years then apparently resigned that job "rather suddenly." For the last couple of years he's been on the staff of another Republican from New York. Fordham was outed as gay by one of the folks and organizations that definitely is involved in the whole Foley IM mess some time ago. He has been open about his homosexuality since. I don't know if the outing is why he left Foley's staff. Others are saying that he's been involved with the activists that held the IMs and they infer from that that he may be their source.
He's apparently being forced out now, however, because he tried to intervene with ABC to get them to not publish the contents of the IMs, suggesting that Foley would give them an exclusive interview following his resignation in exchange. ABC turned him down. Speculation would be that he either was trying to protect Foley in some way, or trying to cover up the contents. That might be important if he had faked any of the IMs, as releasing the contents would let at least Foley know that someone else wrote the offending IMs (if that is, in fact, what's going on... I think).
Now you know why I'm waiting until we actually have some facts and some ability to examine witnesses and evidence before I'm willing to pass any judgment on just what the hell is going on!!!!!!
As the great Vinni Barbarino (John Travolta) used to say "I'm so confused!"
Things getting curiouser and curiouser....
Because he resigned his post working for Congressman Tom Reynolds who is Chairman of the House Republican Campaign Committee, responsible for getting Pubbies elected to congress.
Everyone is so busy covering their own asses that it's hard to tell what the truth really is.
I see this comment all the time. What is the logic behind it? If Pubs lose a chamber in '06, why does that make it unlikely they can win it back in '08 or '10? If voters think their policies are better in a future election cycle, what's to stop them from giving control back to the Pubs?
You were right the first time. Yes, that's the same Tom Reynolds.
I haven't seen ABC say they contacted the parents or the boy before putting the e-mails on their web site.
So my question is, who authorized ABC's disclosure of private e-mail communication, and is doing so a violation of law?
Hastert said he didn't see the e-mails. The e-mails WERE looked at by somebody in Congress, and Hastert COULD have looked at the e-mails if he wanted to.
It seems the republicans were trying to honor the family's wishes, but they still should have involved the entire page board, or AT LEAST the democrat on the board, just so it COULD NOT BE CONSTRUED as a republican coverup.
Remember though that SOMEONE got the e-mails, and leaked them to multiple news sources, and eventually to some obscure blog that posted them and then CREW sent them to ABC.
That doesn't jibe with the parents and kid NOT wanting the e-mails released, so exactly where did they get leaked from?
Hastert's ORIGINAL press release said he had not seen the original e-mails, that they had gone to his staff. His statement was that he had NO RECOLLECTION of seeing the e-mails, but he was not going to DISPUTE the republican who said he DID discuss them with him.
His original statement was a problem -- he needed to get his facts straight in a case like this, because you have to know the democrats are looking for blood.
yes indeed, they are having a field day aren't they.
Indeed.
Alexander backs off claim Hastert knew
Associated Press ^ | October 4, 2006 | Associated Press
Posted on 10/04/2006 3:18:50 PM CDT by libstripper
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., the congressman who sponsored the page at the heart of the recent Capitol Hill sex scandal furor and initially said Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "knew about the e-mails that we knew about," including one in which Foley asked the page to send his picture, has now backed off that comment, saying he discussed the e-mails with Hastert's aides, not the speaker himself.
"I guess that's a poor choice of words that I made there," Alexander told AP.
The speaker has said he was not aware of the e-mails when they were discussed with his staff. The No. 2 House Republican, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, and House GOP campaign chairman Rep. Tom Reynolds of New York, said they had spoken with Hastert about a complaint concerning a former page from Louisiana last spring, after Alexander told them about it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1713734/posts
Might I request that we change the title of this thread to reflect a "firing" as the story subsequently said and not a resignation.
The details are coming so fast that I'm starting to get confused.
I have pinged you to the capitulation by Alexander.
The speaker NEVER saw the emails.
Frankly, I don't know if Hastert ever SAW the e-mails, but he KNEW about them, and knew they were not of a sexual nature. Maybe he knew that because the parents of the young man told him that. If that's the case, then he can only rely on what he'd been told by the people closest to the situation. He said he knew NOTHING of the nasty IMs, which apparently were written before the e-mails I mentioned above, but have been held back for the opportune time to release them.
THanks.
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