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Brain-Injury Patients Should be Used for Medical Experiments, Suggest Bioethicists
LifeSiteNews ^ | 10/5/06 | Gudrun Schultz

Posted on 10/05/2006 3:49:28 PM PDT by wagglebee

MELBOURNE, Australia, October 5, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Patients designated as in a “persistent vegetative state (PVS)” should be used for medical experiments, according to several top bioethicists, regardless of whether or not prior consent was obtained.

Several articles published in the recent issue of the Journal of Medical debated the potential use of patients with non-responsive brain function for such medical experiments as animal organ transplants—to bypass ethic prohibitions against using a living human being for medical experimentation, some even suggested designating such patients as “dead,” saying their cognitive impairments justified treating them as cadavers.

Dr. John Shea, medical advisor to Campaign Life Coalition, told LifeSiteNews.com it would never be ethically or morally acceptable to use a living human being for medical research without their permission, regardless of their level of cognitive function.

“A person who has PVS is not dead! If you claim to respect the sacredness of human life, you can’t use a human person for medical experimentation—that would be grossly immoral.”

In fact, little is understood about the capacity for awareness and understanding of people suffering from severe cognitive impairment, Dr. Shea said. Documented cases of patients who have unexpectedly “woken up” from a supposedly permanent PVS state have refuted the argument that their condition is irreversible. (See: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06070409.html)

Dr. Steven Curry of the University of Melbourne, who supports experiments using PVS patients, said it would be too difficult to convince the public that PVS patients were “dead”, according to commentary by the bioethics news watch BioEdge on Oct. 3.

Regardless, he said, their bodies should be used for medical research. Repeating a common fallacy of the bioethics debate on PVS, Curry stated that such patients will not recover. “Those who are in a PVS will not ever wake up, they feel no pain or discomfort and have no continuing interest in their own survival…”

While making the argument that PVS patients have no right to mental autonomy since they have no apparent functioning mental capacity, Dr. Curry excused the medical “use” of their bodies by suggesting such patients should be allowed to choose to donate their bodies for the good of science, saying, “…these patients must also have a right to risk that life for the common good.”

As a further basis for his argument, Dr. Curry stated that PVS patients’ inability to bear children and their lack of any capacity for movement justified the “possible confinement” caused by experimentation.

“Also,” he said, “no risk of withdrawal of consent exists.” While stating that obtaining prior agreement to experimentation would be preferable, he pointed out that such agreements would be unlikely, since few people would anticipate living in a “comatose” state for several years.

Dr. Curry would support permitting family members to give permission for a comatose relative to be used for medical experimentation, “with reference to the person’s values and stated preferences.”

Read commentary from the Australasian bioethics newsletter:
http://www.australasianbioethics.org/Newsletters/currentbioe...

See related LifeSiteNews coverage:

Man Wakes from Two-Year Coma – was Aware and Remembers Everything
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/oct/05100604.html

New study questions “brain-death” criterion for organ donation
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/sep/06091502.html



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; braininjury; cultureofdeath; eugenics; prolife; pvs; wtf
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Dr. Mengele has been reincarnated.
1 posted on 10/05/2006 3:49:29 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Once again affirming my deep conviction that anyone who styles himself an "ethicist" should be put to death for the well-being of humanity.


2 posted on 10/05/2006 3:51:06 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: wagglebee

It wasn't much of a step from starvation being a euphoric death to "Let's torture them, they can't complain".


3 posted on 10/05/2006 3:51:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: wagglebee

They should use themselves as the experiments - how awful.


4 posted on 10/05/2006 3:52:09 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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I am going to be sick.

5 posted on 10/05/2006 3:52:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Disgusting.


6 posted on 10/05/2006 3:53:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: wagglebee
“A person who has PVS is not dead! If you claim to respect the sacredness of human life, you can’t use a human person for medical experimentation—that would be grossly immoral.”

Many people have no such respect. Many people look upon human life as a purely biological function, and not sacred at all.

7 posted on 10/05/2006 3:53:58 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Irish_Thatcherite

Culture of Death Ping.


8 posted on 10/05/2006 3:54:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: thoughtomator
"anyone who styles himself an "ethicist" should be put to death for the well-being of humanity."

AMEN!




BTW, I think Sanger considered herself an ethicist as well:


9 posted on 10/05/2006 3:55:49 PM PDT by blues_guitarist (Splunge!)
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Brain-Injury Patients Should be Used for Medical Experiments, Suggest Bioethicists

Perhaps, but Democrats are more plentiful.

10 posted on 10/05/2006 3:55:50 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Cold Heat
See where this is going, and these people are 'bioethicists', and I am sure they have a bevy of lawyers all line up to make their case, maybe starting in a state's legislative body.
11 posted on 10/05/2006 3:56:10 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: wagglebee

"Patients designated as in a “persistent vegetative state (PVS)” should be used for medical experiments, according to several top bioethicists, regardless of whether or not prior consent was obtained".


Sounds like Nazi Germany.


12 posted on 10/05/2006 3:57:10 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee

Gee, every time I go to sleep, I have this cognitive impairment. I don't recognize what is going on around me and I hallucinate. I guess I'm just prime material for medical experimentation.


13 posted on 10/05/2006 3:57:11 PM PDT by Socratic ( "Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" - J.S. Mill)
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To: wagglebee

Evil walks


14 posted on 10/05/2006 3:57:17 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: wagglebee
Read Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro if you want a truly tragic view of where this is taking us. It's about children at a British boarding school - who are being raised as organ donors, which is what they were bred for from the very start. It's exquisitely written and absolutely blood-curdling.
15 posted on 10/05/2006 4:00:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee

Talk about brain dead.


16 posted on 10/05/2006 4:01:35 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: diamond6

These people ARE Nazis.


17 posted on 10/05/2006 4:03:36 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: darkangel82

Use all the Liberals you need!! Go ahead and start today!


18 posted on 10/05/2006 4:07:06 PM PDT by mmyers
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To: wagglebee

& the culture of death marches on.

Let's start with some of these idiots . . . who are obviously already brain dead!


19 posted on 10/05/2006 4:08:04 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wagglebee
This is how they think.
20 posted on 10/05/2006 4:08:50 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: mmyers

No, no one deserves this, not even the psychos who propose things like this.


21 posted on 10/05/2006 4:09:29 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: wagglebee

Noticeably missing from this thread, are the responses from those FReepers who frequent the pro-life threads, to declare that brain damaged people aren't human, and aren't entitled to human rights. Could it be that they recognize how repugnant their views are, and would like to pretend this isn't really happening, until they gain more support?


22 posted on 10/05/2006 4:10:11 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: BykrBayb

You are so very right!


23 posted on 10/05/2006 4:11:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Perhaps Dr. Steven Curry could be the first research body.


24 posted on 10/05/2006 4:12:18 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Redcloak; OKSooner

And perhaps even more brain-dead.


25 posted on 10/05/2006 4:20:08 PM PDT by Honeybunch ("Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." ~Rudyard Kipling)
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To: thoughtomator

Here, here!!!


26 posted on 10/05/2006 4:23:13 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Condoleeza Rice. President. 2008.)
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To: wagglebee

Considering I suffered a head injury nearly a year ago, I find that chilling!

It was relatively minor, considering how bad head injuries can get, but still...


27 posted on 10/05/2006 4:23:53 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: wagglebee; cpforlife.org; Coleus; redgolum; narses
Ditto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_code

28 posted on 10/05/2006 4:24:01 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: blues_guitarist; wagglebee

Margaret Sanger with the KKK - that sums it up!


29 posted on 10/05/2006 4:25:55 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

If the Culture of Death gets away with this, one day it will be kidney stones that doom a person to being "no longer worthy of living."


30 posted on 10/05/2006 4:26:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: livius

You could just watch, "The Island", or the original "Clonus Horror" on which it was based. These "bioethicists" are ghouls of the highest order and any person alive who may end up in a hospital someday should be able to kill these Nazis and call it pre-emptive self defense!!!!


31 posted on 10/05/2006 4:26:48 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Condoleeza Rice. President. 2008.)
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To: wagglebee

Under the guise of 'quality of life'.


32 posted on 10/05/2006 4:28:19 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: wagglebee
If the Culture of Death gets away with this, one day it will be kidney stones that doom a person to being "no longer worthy of living." 30 posted on 10/05/2006 7:26:13 PM EDT by wagglebee

"Sir, since you are already dying of cancer, we'd like to try a few experiments..."

33 posted on 10/05/2006 4:28:37 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: wagglebee

This is horrible! How can anyone even contemplate this??


36 posted on 10/05/2006 4:40:17 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: wagglebee

These guys are absolutely NOT "leading" anyone - except, possibly the whole discipline down the drain.


37 posted on 10/05/2006 4:40:53 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: BykrBayb

Exactly...


38 posted on 10/05/2006 4:44:07 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: wagglebee

"Dr. Mengele has been reincarnated."

Dr. Mengele has been reincarnated as his idiot twin.

There are far more Muslims in OZ than PVS patients. Arguably, as Muslims don't seem to be using their brains, they could be considered "brain-inactive" and ear marked (notched) for future experiments.

;-)


39 posted on 10/05/2006 4:47:02 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: BykrBayb; Triggerhippie

They have quite a reputation here, those individuals in question...


40 posted on 10/05/2006 4:51:18 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

So I've heard.


41 posted on 10/05/2006 4:54:12 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

I know. I've committed double-plus-bad thoughtcrime before and been put on a few hours-worth of "time-out" for having the temerity to disagree.

Certain people support eugenics and suppression of free speech... wawawewa! (to quote Borat.)


42 posted on 10/05/2006 4:54:54 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: wagglebee

Deeper and deeper they go....where they stop...we ALL know.


43 posted on 10/05/2006 4:56:05 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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To: wagglebee

Anyone seen Howard Dean lately??.......


44 posted on 10/05/2006 4:56:51 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: Triggerhippie

How do I always wind up hanging out with the bad kids?


45 posted on 10/05/2006 5:00:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: wagglebee
While making the argument that PVS patients have no right to mental autonomy since they have no apparent functioning mental capacity, Dr. Curry excused the medical “use” of their bodies by suggesting such patients should be allowed to choose to donate their bodies for the good of science, saying, “…these patients must also have a right to risk that life for the common good.”

So who gets to make that call? Is a three year old child also not have any "Functioning mental capacity"? What about my uncle in laws son, who has Downs?

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly. For demons of hell who masquerade as those who heal are rising in power.

46 posted on 10/05/2006 5:01:49 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BykrBayb

They're ruining the reputation of this site!


47 posted on 10/05/2006 5:02:11 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: BykrBayb

Just lucky, I guess.

Biketoberfest is right around the corner! WooHoo!


48 posted on 10/05/2006 5:02:30 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Triggerhippie

Yup, I hear the term 'gene pool' mentioned a lot of late.


49 posted on 10/05/2006 5:03:13 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Kind of makes you wonder whose payroll is footing the bill.


50 posted on 10/05/2006 5:03:21 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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