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To: mugs99
We don't practice what we preach.That is why Jesus had to die for us.
To: FreedomProtector
refute the Colossian heresy of Gnosticism
Without the Gnostics you would have no "Bible Stories" to teach in Sunday School. I find it humorous that Gnostic texts are "heresy" yet you base your Bible stories on them.
The King James version of the Bible is riddled with errors, mistranslations and contradictions.
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10/10/2006 12:00:04 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: mugs99
"The King James version of the Bible is riddled with errors, mistranslations and contradictions."
The reliablity and unity of the Bible is a topic that is worth exploring. The bible is remarkably internally consistent with itself and remarkably externally constistent with the rest of the world (archaeology/other historical documents). Former sceptic Josh McDowell writes: "One of the unique and fascinating aspects of the Bible is that in no other religious literature do we find the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy. Biblical predictions recorded sometimes hundreds of years in advance of their happening are fulfilled in minute detail." There have been many people in history that set out to prove the bible is false, only to conclude that the bible is right after all.
To: FreedomProtector
Former sceptic Josh McDowell writes:
Why do so many claim to be former skeptics?
It's not whether the Bible is true or false. It's a collection of stories. Some are true, some are embellished and some are myth.
Hint: Was Jesus a carpenter or a Rabi?
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10/10/2006 12:42:17 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: mugs99
"Why do so many claim to be former skeptics?"
Because they were.
Josh McDowell was a skeptic.
C.S. Lewis was an atheist.
Lee Strobel was an atheist.
Saint Augustine was a skeptic of Christianity.
etc...
Christianity changes peoples hearts and minds....
While a student at Kellogg College in Michigan in the early sixties, Josh McDowell was challenged by a group of Christian students to examine the claims of Christianity. Josh considered himself an atheist and was sure that Christianity was worthless, but he accepted the challenge. He focused his energy on discrediting the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Instead, he discovered compelling historical evidence for the reliability of the New Testament and the Resurrection.
http://www.leftbehind.com/channelinteract.asp?pageid=498&channelID=79
"It's not whether the Bible is true or false. It's a collection of stories. Some are true, some are embellished and some are myth."
If the bible is true then it is not a collection of embellished stories and myths.
To: FreedomProtector
If the bible is true then it is not a collection of embellished stories and myths.
Like I said, some stories are true and some are embellishments or myth. If it were all true we wouldn't have the great contradiction of carpenter/Rabi.
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posted on
10/10/2006 1:49:58 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: AppyPappy
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10/10/2006 6:46:48 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: .30Carbine
448
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10/10/2006 6:47:18 PM PDT
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Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: mugs99
Actually, imho,
Jesus is not very useable in those ways. The folks involved may THINK AND ACT otherwise. Appearances may appear otherwise . . . but sooner or later . . . if the limb they are out on is other
THAN THE TRUE VINE,
sooner or later, God has a way of insuring it's sawn off or at least that the individual comes to an awakening . . . a 'rude' one, if warranted.
449
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10/10/2006 6:49:15 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: .30Carbine
Does Jesus have a problem with you?
= = =
Certainly that's a crucial question for every human alive.
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10/10/2006 6:50:08 PM PDT
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Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: FreedomProtector
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10/10/2006 6:51:23 PM PDT
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Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: FreedomProtector
452
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10/10/2006 6:59:01 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: .30Carbine
We don't practice what we preach.
That is why Jesus had to die for us.
= = = =
YUP! YUP!
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10/10/2006 6:59:35 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: FreedomProtector
As I recall, Josh McDowell was a fiercely angry atheist because of his abusive alcoholic RC Dad.
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10/10/2006 7:01:13 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: mugs99
the great contradiction of carpenter/Rabi. And just why do you see it as a contradiction for Jesus to have been both a carpenter and a great and wise teacher?
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10/10/2006 7:01:40 PM PDT
by
Celtman
(It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
To: mugs99
Josh McDowell handles the supposed contradictions as well as anyone I've known or read.
In any complexity as complex as our observed universe . . . . paradoxes are likely to abound.
Truth includes mystery and paradox. Even Christians will learn to deal with it when God makes things more abundantly clear.
I suspect that at least some Deists will discover that they know even less than some Christians who think they know everything.
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10/10/2006 7:04:07 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: Celtman
Particularly given that God seems to love such paradoxes.
457
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10/10/2006 7:04:51 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: Not just another dumb blonde
1. I'm not altogether sure what you mean? Are you talking about the fact that some people think you have to be baptized to be saved?
2. Humans can try to put God in a tidy little box, but that's not possible. There's no escaping God.
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1. Yeah.
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2. True, God is not boxable. But folks construe Him in tiny inadequate ways in the tiny boxes of their own creation and then pretend that
THAT'S
spiritual reality.
Shoot--even in the Old Testament . . . God was persistently breaking out of the spiritual boxes HE HIMSELF created for the Children of Israel.
Man's addiction to RELIGION seems to require it rather frequently, imho.
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10/10/2006 7:07:09 PM PDT
by
Quix
(LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
To: Celtman
And just why do you see it as a contradiction for Jesus to have been both a carpenter and a great and wise teacher?
It's not a matter of how I see it. It's a contradiction that all scholars of history recognize. Becoming a Priest (Rabi) was not a career choice. You had to be born into it. The Cohanim were the priestly class. The Cohanim were Hebrews who traced their lineage all the way back to Moses. A Cohanim boy became a Rabi, he had no choice. It was passed on from father to son. The Cohanim were the high class. Carpenters were craftsmen, middle class.
I'm not saying the Bible story is right or wrong. I'm only pointing out the contradiction. Scholars have been debating the issue for centuries and will probably continue to do so for centuries to come.
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10/10/2006 7:32:44 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: Quix
Josh McDowell handles the supposed contradictions as well as anyone I've known or read
He hasn't satisfied a single one. A good example is his reference to Josephus: "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man.... He was the Christ, and when Pilate condemned him to the cross...he appeared to them alive again the third day"...Josephus didn't write that.
There are so many inaccuracies in his books that I couldn't even begin to list them on this thread. If you'd like to cite something of his, please do so and we'll look at them one by one.
In any complexity as complex as our observed universe . . . . paradoxes are likely to abound.
That's what makes it all so interesting!
Truth includes mystery and paradox. Even Christians will learn to deal with it when God makes things more abundantly clear.
Of course they will, we're all on the same quest to learn God's nature.
I suspect that at least some Deists will discover that they know even less than some Christians who think they know everything.
You may be right!
But we aren't afraid to admit; "I don't know". That's why we study Christianity more than most Christians.
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posted on
10/10/2006 8:01:14 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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