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Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)
kuelap Peru.com ^ | 10-7-2006

Posted on 10/07/2006 3:43:02 PM PDT by blam

Kuelap – the Machu Picchu of Northern Peru.

The mysterious super fortress of the Chachapoyan Cloud People

Kuelap is the largest building structure of the Americas. It is estimated to contain 3 times more material than Egypt’s largest pyramid. Peru considers Kuelap to be as good as Machu Picchu and is trying to make this its equal 2nd major destination. It is twice as old as the Incas and in remarkably better condition before restoration.

Kuelap is an unknown giant just waking up. Peru is a huge country the size of the 5 west coast states, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and Montana. At present 99% of the tourists only go from Lima to the south while only 1% goes to the void north of Lima. Until this new century, the largest unexplored mountains in the in the Americas was in this zone. The Andes would stretch from San Francisco to London, with only the Himalayans higher. When the Spanish arrived, the Incas ruled the Andes.

The reason this zone is America's best kept secret is that the first dirt vehicle road came only 35 years ago. Previous to this the natives say that few came or went by their only access, -- a two-month walk on ancient Inca major routes. One “Inca highway” goes through here in a partially explored zone from Columbia to the Inca heartland. Another unexplored lateral route goes from Levanto and Kuelap to the coast through Cajamarca where the Inca was captured. This former Kuelap East-West road may have been the “gold and feather route” used by the spectacular Moche and Chimu cultures from the coast to the Moyobamba jungles zone. No other cultures reached their superior level of goldsmiths, and hundreds of pyramids.

Kuelap’s mystery has barely been studied. Construction began about 800AD at the same time that the Andes’ most spectacular empire began its expansion from Bolivia. This was the Tiahuanaco or Wari Empire, known as “The Golden City Building Era of the Andes”, or the Middle Horizon. The Wari (or Huari) built most of the “Inca roads and trails” and almost every ancient city. They were in power 300 years compared to less than 100 years of the Incas. The Wari evolved to an empire of cities sustained by a sophisticated transportation system implying specialization of labor, engineers, artisans, etc. Today the Wari Empire is barely known because the Spanish did not discover and document them with their gold. A parallel comparison would be similar to the Mayans which the Spanish ignored because of their decline in power and gold. Today the world’s interest in the Mayan Culture has grown to pass the Aztecs, as studies reveal their ability to write and build spectacular cities & structures. A great reference book about the complete Andes history is “The People and Cultures of Ancient Peru” by Luis Lambrates, translated into English by the Smithsonian Institution Press.

Now it seems that Kuelap was not built by the empire but rather a confederation of the Chachapoyan Cloud People to stop the Wari invasion. A relative short distance across the Marinon River was the most advanced stronghold cities of the Wari in the north of Peru at Cajamarca and Huamachuco. A glaring fact is that on the other side of the river, all of the pottery and artifacts mirrors the Bolivian style of the empire. The total lack of Wari artifacts in this zone would indicate the Wari either could not defeat the Chachapoyans, -- or were themselves defeated at Kuelap causing the collapse of the empire at that time.

The greatest mystery of the Chachapoyan Cloud People was, “who were they”? How would they know to start construction of mountain top citadels and fortresses 250 years before the Wari advanced to conquer them? Was it a coincident that Kuelap was completed at just the right time to stop them? John Hemming wrote in “Conquest of the Incas” that Kuelap was the strongest fortification in the Americas, and if the Inca could have made a stand there, - the Spanish horses and artillery would be useless and history might have been different today. Keith Muscutt wrote in his book that this zone was so heavily populated in the past, -- it would be unlikely today to go to any likely peak in the cloud forest, and NOT FIND a lost stone citadel. Being made of stone, these ruins can be found today. I have been approached 10 times in the last couple of years by pioneers wanting me to see an “undiscovered ruins” they have found on their land.

Vanquished cultures of the Andes usually were displaced to lower areas and the jungles. An interesting fact was the Incas first began their conquest after Inca Pachacutec defeated the Chancas from Wari. At that time the Chancas were the former Wari Empire culture, - but now in decline. Later when the Incas were approaching their peak, the former Wari nation bolted and fled from the Inca influence. Their king said that their elite class were like the Incas in that they came from a strange land elsewhere, so their pride wouldn’t allow them to remain under Inca domination. So, where did the former Wari flee as the most secure place of the entire Andes? They fled down in the lower slopes below Kuelap in the jungle of Lamas. Did they perceive that the Incas couldn’t defeat the Chachapoyans to get to them? Even today these former Wari people contrast drastically in their customs, clothing and appearance from the jungle cultures. Now ANOTHER large stretch of speculation of displaced cultures being forced to lower jungle areas. PERHAPS one could conclude and believe a predominance of the fair skin and often blond people living in the nearby jungle of Rodrigues de Mendoza were the former Chachapoyan Cloud People?

Inca chronicles and legends persist that the Cloud People were tall fair (skin and hair) warriors. This is reinforced by an unusually large proportion of blond, fair natives in this zone who know of no European ancestry. However Julio C. Tello and anthropologists speculate the Chachapoyans may have been a jungle culture that migrated there through the Magdalena Valley of Columbia, and preferred the mountaintops. Whatever case, the Cloud People don’t fit the pattern of other Andeans. They lived behind walls in well crafted stone round houses with a pointed thatch “tepee” roof. One would suspect they farmed better land below the cloud forest, which wasn’t leached out and eroded, but lived on the peaks.

This zone gets seasonal rains from November to April, but Kuelap is always accessible. The dry season is from June to October but still has brief showers that are usually tiny droplets. This is caused by moist air of the jungle, pushed up over the peaks causing it to chill. This humid air condensates forming almost perpetual clouds, -- just before the droplets get large enough to rain. In this environment air plants dominate so bromeliads, orchids and moss cover the trees and stone citadels. Rapid clouds coming and going create photogenic panoramas adding a veiled mystery to the peaks.

This zone is called “la ceja de la selva”, - meaning the eyebrow of the Amazon. Above the ceja is the nightly freeze line which is a bald grassland high on the crest of the cordillera. Below the cloud forest are often desert river valleys where often only cactus will grow. A dense forest forms a band 2/3 of the way up the cordillera, resembling an eyebrow overlooking the Amazon Basin. After the clouds were chilled being pushed over the peaks, they dive downwards and warm up so the vapor turns to gasses, and the clouds disappear before your eyes. There are spectacular rainbows every day. The rainfall may be a drastic 2 to 3 meters difference from the valleys to the peaks and only a very few kilometers vertically away. All of this creates thousands of mini ecological zones, depending on elevation, sun orientation or prevailing winds, etc. The Incas had access to many jungle medicines, -- but a majority of their best medical plants were adapted to these mini-ecological zones. Today’s fad is to search for lower jungle medical plants while neglecting these more likely ones at higher altitudes, which have even a greater threat of deforestation.

Kuelap’s five walls inside of walls contain over 400 buildings. Each wall is from one to two telephone poles high with its 2nd level walls being the highest, extending a kilometer along a mountain ridge overlooking the Utcabamba River. Some think Kuelap was positioned to defend the Gran Vilaya region that was heavily populated behind Kuelap and the cordillera. There are some mysterious structures inside the fortress. One is a large cone shaped stone structure, defying gravity with the top much larger diameter than the bottom. Now the inside of this “tenador” (ink well), is shaped like a rose bud vase, - or a light bulb without the plug. The top hole is about ½ meter diameter, and a few meters down below, it opens into a large circular room. Some think it was a prison. Others think it was an oracle observatory where the shaman can be inside to observe a special star pass over “the lens” to signal an exact time or event of the year. A separate odd stone structure is an 8 pointed star with the longest 4 points pointing EXACTLY to north, south, east & west. Now at the north end a high stone tower is called the mitador, or observatory. From here signals could be sent to Choctomal that could relay the signal around the valley’s bend to another ruins high on the Abra Yumal Pass. This would then relay the signal to Gran Vilaya (which some think Kuelap was built to defend).


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To: muawiyah
"Let me tell you when I saw that collection I about dropped my jaw on the ground, particularly when I saw the one that was decorated up like a mushroom."

Here's what I found about the mushrooms.

Amanita Muscaria Mushroom

"Perhaps no other ethnobotanical is more shrouded in mystery and intrigue than the Amanita Muscaria mushroom. Some scholars have suggested that the Viking berserkers ate the mushroom before battle to enter a frenzied state. Others have claimed that it is the legendary intoxicant Soma, worshipped as a God by early Hindus. In Western culture, it is the mushroom of fairy tales, a symbol of both poison and magic. For generations, the tribal shamans of Siberia and the Pacific Northwest have ingested Amanita Muscaria to enter Altered States of Consciousness."

21 posted on 10/07/2006 5:11:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

extremely fascinating! i was a latin american studies major at the U of Pittsburgh 28 years ago and never heard of this civilization. but this piece says Kuelap was just discovered 35 years ago. so it makes sense that they wouldn't exactly be in the textbooks back then.


22 posted on 10/07/2006 5:14:03 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
"extremely fascinating! i was a latin american studies major at the U of Pittsburgh 28 years ago and never heard of this civilization. but this piece says Kuelap was just discovered 35 years ago. so it makes sense that they wouldn't exactly be in the textbooks back then."

Yup. From the sound of things, you'd be hard pressed to find much in the books today too.

23 posted on 10/07/2006 5:18:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
It IS soma ~ we know that because the devotees are reported in the vedas to have drunk the urine of the priests.

The hallucinogen in amanita muscaria is the only hallucinogen that is NOT metabolized by the human body and just goes right out in the urine. It may then be used by another devotee.

The Sa'ami in the far North of Scandinavia, used it in pursuit of visions in their old religion. The Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born in the United States, where it still uses a narcotic as a sacrament, uses peyote.

Try: http://www.evilchili.com/mediaview/4588/Swedish_Midsummer_Feast for a recent video on the situation.

24 posted on 10/07/2006 5:20:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
It IS soma ~ we know that because the devotees are reported in the vedas to have drunk the urine of the priests.

It was processed through animals as well; reindeer in northeast Asia and cattle in India (sacred cows).

A lot of these details are in R. Gordon Wasson's writings.

25 posted on 10/07/2006 5:23:02 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: blam
BTW, DO NOT search around at that site. There are other things you are not meant to see ~ your eyes will pop out and where will you be then.

Still, this little film is the best visual I've ever seen of people drunk on Amanita.

The nonpotable X on the plastic water jugs disguises the real substance in there. On some of the clips you can see that it is clearly urine!

Again, this is strictly in the interest of science so you should not let your eyes stray.

26 posted on 10/07/2006 5:27:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coyoteman
I've not found a specific reference to the practice, but it seems to me that urine can be freeze dried quite readily in Polar regions. That would enable you to create a powdered soma suitible for export as "magic pixie dust", for example.

It's always the court jester who is a midget who has the magic dust. The highest incidence of dwarfism in any European group is among the Sa'ami.

And then there's Santa Claus, the red and white decor, the flying reindeer, helpers, etc.

27 posted on 10/07/2006 5:29:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
Thanks Blam. Since there's another topic about this, no ping?

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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28 posted on 10/07/2006 5:52:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muawiyah
Not to worry. My old dial-up won't let me go there.

There's a program that just came on the Discovery Channel titled: Ice Age Columbus: Who were the first Americans? Looks interesting, it starts out in Iberia, hee, hee.

29 posted on 10/07/2006 6:20:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Iberia, Not Siberia
30 posted on 10/07/2006 6:30:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Got it on now.

There are those who believe the Sa'ami "wintered over" in NW Scandinavia during the last glacial maximum.

Seems it never iced up ~

During that period of time they became somewhat "different" from the other European people, and vice versa.

Although some of the genetic differences are identified as disease, what we are talking about in modern times with modern populations is a statistical norm with some folks ending up with a bunch of "different" genes they didn't even know were in the family.

Northern European "problems" traced to Sa'ami origins are celiac disorder, Scandinavian porphyria (3 different genes for that one), extra sinus nodes in the heart muscle, varities of type II diabetes, and so on. I think a double count of red cones in the retina is part of the "package" as is the elimination of blue cones. THat way you can see a small fire many miles across the ice in the darkest of night.

All of these "conditions" are actually very normal for a population that never eats wheat, barley or rye, has only low glycemic index vegetables available, survives on high fat fish and sea mammals, and lives through a Polar winter many months long.

Eskimos have the same "problems".

31 posted on 10/07/2006 6:32:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"I think a double count of red cones in the retina is part of the "package" as is the elimination of blue cones. THat way you can see a small fire many miles across the ice in the darkest of night."

Does that mean they would have dark eyes?

32 posted on 10/07/2006 6:54:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
No, the rods and cones are in the retina. They don't affect the eye color, which is in the iris.

Technical error ~ big time ~ they got a guy suffering from scurvy. However, they've been out there eating seal after seal after seal.

Seal skin is full of vitamin C. They'd been chowing down on something better than oranges.

Another technical error ~ these people living at the edge of the ice for tens of centuries probably had the same adaptation so many Sa'ami appear to have ~ the body does not, when chilled, protect core heat. It lets your blood keep flowing to your arms and legs to save your life. So, the guy who fell in the ice would not have gone unconscious in that water so fast. His arms and legs would not have numbed up and quit working.

He'd simply dogpaddled to the breathing hole he fell in and they'd pull him out.

He's got about 4 hours to live before he has to get warm and dry BTW. Ordinary white people only have a half hour or so.

33 posted on 10/07/2006 7:07:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The guy, Dennis Sanford, who was just on Discovery, wrote this article.

Immigrants From The Other Side

34 posted on 10/07/2006 7:29:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
"Technical error ~ big time "

I see technical errors in almost all these 'made for tv' documentaries. When the girl was brought along on the 'hunt', I knew where they'd wind up.

35 posted on 10/07/2006 7:32:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Good article. I met a field archaeologist working on a site in Pennsylvania that's turned out real important. This was something like 1964 ~ so that's 42 years ago.

They were convinced they'd found something different since it had European roots.

This is kind of a dramatization of what we were told about way back then.

36 posted on 10/07/2006 7:34:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
They always brought girls along on the "short hunts" since there were tasks assigned to women.

Women never accompanied anyone on the "long hunts" since that wa for biological survival.

This was a "short hunt".

The logic of it all is so compelling just thinking about it you get an idea of how steeled they were to the harshest of discipline ~ without it, they were just seconds from death.

37 posted on 10/07/2006 7:37:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam

Seeing that blade I went over and looked at my own collection ~ got bunch of 'em. Hmmmm. Like a time machine seeing that.


38 posted on 10/07/2006 7:39:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam

Most interesting.


39 posted on 10/07/2006 7:40:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: muawiyah
"This is kind of a dramatization of what we were told about way back then."

Meadowcroft?

J D Adovasio did most of the work there and has aretty good book titled, The First Americans.

However Stephen Oppenheimer (DNA) shows those people coming across Siberia 25,000 years ago and then becoming exiled during the Last Glacial Maximum.

40 posted on 10/07/2006 7:47:43 PM PDT by blam
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