Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Critical cleric arrested in Iran - reports (Boroujerdi arrested)
Reuters ^ | 10-08-06 | Reuters

Posted on 10/08/2006 10:56:58 AM PDT by oldleft

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-123 next last
To: txrangerette
Your post is very good......guess I'm in a chain jerking mood today. Been reading about what the Muslim are doing to women in Darfur lately, not real impressed with the religion of peace, anywhere.
51 posted on 10/08/2006 1:00:21 PM PDT by caresistance
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: caresistance

If someone who isn't a Christian rejects my prayers, it is of no consequence. Because when I pray, I'm praying to God, the Father of Jesus... and HIS work in reaching anyone's soul, even that of an infidel, is POSSIBLE.


52 posted on 10/08/2006 1:01:26 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: oldleft
At least 40 followers of Ayatollah Sayed Hossein Kazemeyni Boroujerdi arrested

Time to hit them with request for visits to the prisoners by Red Cross (Crescent), Amnesty International, and all that crap we have to deal with to make sure these prisoners are not being mistreated.

53 posted on 10/08/2006 1:02:21 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: caresistance
Been reading about what the Muslim are doing to women in Darfur lately

Do you have some recent links? I've been out of touch.

54 posted on 10/08/2006 1:03:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Tunehead54

So far Al Rueters is the only news outlet with a story about it.

Don't look for anything from cbsnbcabcmsnbccnn etc.


55 posted on 10/08/2006 1:07:02 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

So I if I read this thread right, all Moslems are not really bad? Apparently there are some that FReepers find acceptable in the religion of hate.

How can that be?


56 posted on 10/08/2006 1:11:30 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Foley is why we don't allow queers to be Scoutmasters.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Right Wing Assault
The rape and pillage is well documented, just "google" it.
57 posted on 10/08/2006 1:12:50 PM PDT by caresistance
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

In general, popular revolutions against authoritarian governments only work in civilized countries (Russia, East Germany). They tend to fail in uncivilized countries (like China) where the troops have no problem with firing on their own people.

One wonders on which side of this fence Iran falls. I suspect the latter.


58 posted on 10/08/2006 1:12:59 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: caresistance

Oh, I didn't realize that./s And? When it's time for the ticket to get punched, so be it. Would a relativist get their death any slower?

For a moment I thought you were equating prayer for others as zealotry at the same level as cutting off heads, IEDs and funding terror.

We could care less if they accept the prayers or what they think... that's not the point.

Since it offends you... let's talk worldly solutions, by all means. Obviously, I know nothing of Iranian clerics.


59 posted on 10/08/2006 1:15:05 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: caresistance
Been reading about what the Muslim are doing to women in Darfur lately, not real impressed with the religion of peace, anywhere.

Then you should be right along side of those praying that the Muslims trying to reform and tamp down the nutcases succeed.

60 posted on 10/08/2006 1:15:08 PM PDT by KJC1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: trussell
I've been reading everything I could find on this since early last evening when FARS posted this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1715620/posts

The MSM is downplaying this, rattling off the official mullah's party line, Amnesty International is ignoring Boroujerdi's pleas, and I don't think there's going to be any blue helmets heading that way anytime soon.

It will be unfortunate to find one of - if not the only remaining moderate spiritual leaders, along with hundreds of his followers slaughtered, but sometimes sacrifices in the face of evil is the only way to bring about change, and revelation.

I pray for the souls of those about to lose their lives, may some find Salvation in time....God's Will Be Done.

61 posted on 10/08/2006 1:15:33 PM PDT by 4woodenboats ("Show me what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: caresistance

Same here.


62 posted on 10/08/2006 1:16:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

BUMP


63 posted on 10/08/2006 1:17:00 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (....If God brings you to it - He will bring you through it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TexKat
Near as I can tell, this is all one story, cloned by various media...

There is, in effect, no story and they have successfully stomped on it....

In a couple weeks they will not even remember who, much less the what, when or where.

Iran is now a totally closed society and there is little hope of a revolution remaining. I gave up that hope more than a year ago. I wish it were different, but it is not.

If we cannot penetrate it, and believe me when I say we have tried. Then it follows that we will eventually be required to take the government down from the air and special forces. Then, it may be possible for the people to revolt and regain control.

I expect this to happen in less than two years but not sooner.

64 posted on 10/08/2006 1:21:39 PM PDT by Cold Heat (I just analyze it, I did not create the mess...so go pound sand:-))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: TexKat
There is a significant minority within Shia philosophy that is strongly against merging of secular/religious realms. Sistani in Iraq is reported to hold to that belief.
65 posted on 10/08/2006 1:22:45 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (M.I.E. Mainer In Exile I'll come back when the Massholes go home.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: caresistance
These Muslim clerics would most likely see you dead, and reject your prayers as rantings from infidels. Oh....I can be very narrow, when dealing with any religious zealotry.

Well then you're a pretty bad Christian, if you are indeed one. Christ commanded us to pray not only for our brother but for our enemy. I would assume that also includes everyone in between.
66 posted on 10/08/2006 1:23:16 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Jet Jaguar

bttt


67 posted on 10/08/2006 1:25:57 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: caresistance
Prayers can be as lethal as weapons, if it GODS WILL!
68 posted on 10/08/2006 1:39:23 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (....If God brings you to it - He will bring you through it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: oldleft
Hopefully this will trigger a full scale revolution against the mullahs

The story supports something I've been thinking all along ... the support for the Mullahcracy is very shallow, and shored up only by armed force and terror. At some point, it will collapse.

The end of the Iran Nuke crisis (and probably also of organized Islamofascism) will come when normal Iranians finally have enough. I suspect it's not long, now.

69 posted on 10/08/2006 1:56:16 PM PDT by r9etb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

may God protect him and give him strentgh during torture at the hands of his captors.


70 posted on 10/08/2006 1:58:08 PM PDT by Cinnamon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: r9etb

The United States should start bombing Iran's nuclear sites now, and keep bombing them until they are pulverized. At the same time, we should bomb their oil pipelines. This would castrate the current regime.


71 posted on 10/08/2006 2:01:31 PM PDT by pleikumud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: pleikumud
The United States should start bombing ...

No, we shouldn't. There may come a time for that, but it's not quite yet. I think the Mullahs are on the verge of falling, and just need a shove. For a lot of reasons -- including with American politics -- it'd be lots cheaper and more effective if we concentrate right now on giving the shove.

72 posted on 10/08/2006 2:05:21 PM PDT by r9etb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: r9etb

While we're waiting for internal change, the current regime will develop a nuclear bomb with the ability to deliver it.
Iran is allied with the terrorist organizations, and with Syria, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.
The UN is a joke.
We should attack Iran right away.


73 posted on 10/08/2006 2:16:22 PM PDT by pleikumud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

I think he was arrested, despite a handful of his supporters attempted to prevent it. So I read on other stories.

Isn't this guy from the tiny reformist/leftist movement?


74 posted on 10/08/2006 2:25:53 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stephenjohnbanker
We should have our own people over ther to help make it happen.

We should be packaging up the AK-47s and the RPGs captured from the insurgent Iraqis and returning them along with fresh ammo via air drop to out of the way places in Iran. The Iranians have more then enough people, they need weapons.

Regards,
GtG

75 posted on 10/08/2006 2:28:47 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: fanfan

Amen. May God intervene on behalf of these brave souls.


76 posted on 10/08/2006 2:29:30 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: bert

There are, within Islam, factions which are perfectly fine. These include Sufi and Druze. The Muslims we're fighting don't accept these as true Islam, so when some one talks of Islam as the religion of hate they generally are talking of the mainsteam, not the civilized oddshoots.


77 posted on 10/08/2006 2:38:00 PM PDT by oldleft
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

Arresting opponent is nothing compared to what Bush/Rove have done in the US... /s


78 posted on 10/08/2006 2:48:13 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JulieRNR21

Thanks for the ping, Julie. Sad......


79 posted on 10/08/2006 2:58:01 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: oldleft
A senior Shi'ite Muslim cleric who has challenged Iran's system of clerical rule was arrested on Sunday after his supporters clashed with police outside his house in the Iranian capital, Iranian news agencies reported.

Oh no. He was Iran's biggest hope.
I hope the people rally to save him now. I was crossing my fingers they'd rise to the challenge yesterday.

80 posted on 10/08/2006 3:08:21 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

This is bad. Hopefully this will be picked up. We need to start throwing this around the news.


81 posted on 10/08/2006 3:41:52 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: paudio

And this means what?


82 posted on 10/08/2006 3:44:10 PM PDT by Running On Empty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

The Night of the Long Knives continues...


83 posted on 10/08/2006 3:52:17 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RightWhale

Short answer, no.
Long answer...
An Ayatollah Under Siege … in Tehran
Iran va Jahan ^ | October 04, 2006 | Nazenin Ansari

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1715380/posts
Posted on 10/07/2006 8:37:29 AM CDT by nuconvert



An Ayatollah Under Siege ... in Tehran

Ayatollah Sayyid Hossein Kazemeini Boroujerdi, born in Tehran and educated in Qom, is the author of numerous books and treatises on ethics, spirituality and the Qur'an. The ayatollah adheres to the official state religion in Iran, "twelver" Ja'fari Shi'a Islam. This form of Shi'ism is founded on the concept of the twelve imams who were the rightful spiritual and political leaders of Muslims following the death of the Prophet Mohammed. It is believed that the twelfth (or "hidden") imam, known as the Mahdi, lives in "occultation" but will one day return and resume the leadership of the faithful. Until that moment arrives, Bouroujerdi and fellow traditional Shi'a believe that political and religious authority should remain separated.

Kazemeini Boroujerdi, speaking under conditions of siege, maintains: "There is only one individual who has not erred and has no flaws. He is the lord of the age, the imam Mahdi. Only he has the legitimate competence to rule and pass judgment."

In other words, in the absence of the Mahdi, a theocracy such as the one ruling Iran today is illegitimate both ideologically and theologically, and as such all religious laws are null and void.


84 posted on 10/08/2006 3:59:05 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: bert
If you were to read this correctly:
It's accepted western/Judeo-Christian thought to understand that not all 'people' are either bad or good. Salvation is possible to anyone. It's not right to hate your enemies (killing is OK, hate is not).

And, finally, it's pretty human to believe that despite an evil belief system (not exactly one chosen by the participants) there are, there must be, good people among the populace of all muslim countries. The fight is against islamism, and against a centuries old islamic hatred fostered by official state/religion institutions that we in the USA formally disavowed. If the individual is a threat - burn him or her. If the state is a threat - burn it. But in the latter instance innocent people will die in greater numbers than will bad guys - even among a muslim population.

Clear?

Now, actually on topic:
I do not believe that the Iranian people are ready for a revolution against the Imams - so far they have come right up to small scale rebellion and always retreated. Since this particular Imam is a minority figure I expect to see lots of people arrested and imprisoned but not much in the way of a broadening resistance.

For whatever reason, Iranians simply do not appear to be ready to take the last step in order to change things themselves. (From what we've seen in Lebanon, that may be of no matter in the long run, the 'Cedar Revolution' achieved zilch)

Sorry to those who really want Persia to be Persia, and sorry for the innocent people who will get 'in the way' but I just don't see it.

85 posted on 10/08/2006 3:59:59 PM PDT by norton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Tunehead54

"Iran"

http://news.google.com/news?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&tab=dn&ncl=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/world/middleeast/09irancnd.html%3Fhp%26ex%3D1160366400%26en%3D2ee54c58283713d8%26ei%3D5094%26partner%3Dhomepage&filter=0

As of 6:00pm it's still not making a big slash.


86 posted on 10/08/2006 4:05:39 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

I want to take this opportunity, on this thread, to remind everyone that the average Iranian is VERY pro-Western, is very young, and absolutely HATES the theorcracy.

Iranians are good people. They have lunatics for leaders and "enforcers"............and my heart goes out to them. They are not Arabs; they are Persians and wonderful people.

God willing, they will soon be free of the yoke of extreme, militant Islam and will be allowed to flourish.


87 posted on 10/08/2006 4:09:54 PM PDT by RightOnline
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bert

How can that be?

Quite simple
"Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody's power, that is not easy."
Aristotle


"Anyone who judges a man by the group is a peawit". The grizzled old Irish sergeant Kilrain says this in Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels.


Valin says, You start hating it's very easy to become that which you hate.


88 posted on 10/08/2006 4:11:34 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: norton; oldleft

.....The fight is against islamism...

Not on Free republic. On this forum the fight is agains all Islam with no quarter.

The current thread is the first in memory where someone or something Islamic was given a reasonable hearing.


89 posted on 10/08/2006 4:12:31 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Foley is why we don't allow queers to be Scoutmasters.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: Valin

I'm in agreement. The 98% of those on this forum that bash Islam as a sport have no clue what they are hating.


90 posted on 10/08/2006 4:19:03 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Foley is why we don't allow queers to be Scoutmasters.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: Old_Mil
"In general, popular revolutions against authoritarian governments only work in civilized countries (Russia, East Germany). They tend to fail in uncivilized countries (like China) where the troops have no problem with firing on their own people."

An excellent distinction. Anyone familiar with the history of popular uprisings knows there is a strong contrast between the two situations. Popular uprisings succeed because the rulers have some genuine attachment to the concept of liberty and human dignity. Those uprisings that are successful succeed because they are able to exploit the internal contradictions of the rulers. In the case of the Saddams and Hitlers and Stalins of the world, they are utterly ruthless, and there is no leverage to turn them back with their own morality because they have no morality.

Islamic regimes subscribe to a certain "morality", but it is so plastic and easily manipulated that vicious rulers have no problem manipulating the religion and "morality" of Islam, because it's shot through with exceptions. From the beginning Mohammed stated one thing Here, then endorsing its logical opposite There because it gave momentary political advantage, which satisfies the only basic "moral law" of Islam: "Seize and hold political power by whatever means necessary for the glory of Allah."

91 posted on 10/08/2006 4:24:15 PM PDT by cookcounty (John Murtha: the only Marine Colonel who can't find Okinawa on a map.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Valin

No, he does not sound Sufi, nor does he look Sufi. His logic seems good, though.


92 posted on 10/08/2006 4:30:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: caresistance

Wow, does seeing a post mentioning prayer offend your libertarian sensibilities that much?


93 posted on 10/08/2006 4:37:18 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: bert

I've been called every name in the book for agreeing with the President, that this is not a war against Islam. And I'm forced to admit I've returned fire in kind.
(so much for the lockstep thinking of the right.)


94 posted on 10/08/2006 4:37:24 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: caresistance

Heavenly Father I humbly ask to to protect Ayatollah Mohammad Kazemeini Boroujerdi. To guard him and his followers from those who would come against him.


95 posted on 10/08/2006 4:41:53 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

The 'Judas Goat' will not be harmed.

Those who publicly defended him have now been exposed.
The Mullocracy will now see to it that they dissappear quietly.


96 posted on 10/08/2006 4:52:55 PM PDT by DonnerT (Global Idiologic Genocide!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: streetpreacher; Conservative til I die; caresistance; trussell
Trussell: Prayer ping….

caresistance: This relates to the Iranian situation how? They certainly do not share your vision of religion.

streetpreacher to caresistance:Wow, does seeing a post mentioning prayer offend your libertarian sensibilities that much?

Conservative til I die to caresistance: Well then you're a pretty bad Christian, if you are indeed one.

to caresistance: Etc.. Etc…et all.

I’m going to step in and defend caresistance. This is about a senior Shi'ite Muslim cleric who has challenged Iran's "current" system of clerical rule. This guy is a Muslim – OK?. He’s not a Christian and he’s not about to lead his sheep into your Christian, Jesus Freak fold. You can pray for some mass conversion but this is not likely to happen.

Boroujerdi may however be more moderate socially and politically than those in power right now and therefore might be much more palatable to the US and worthy of our support, but let’s be real; caresistance is right, he (Boroujerdi) doesn’t share your Christian vision.

I don’t thing caresistance is saying you can’t or shouldn’t pray on a personal level nor do, I but I think prayer threads don’t add anything to the conversation, a social-political news story and calling caresistance a “pretty bad Christian” or chastising him as a libertarian makes you all sound as much of a zealot as the folks Boroujerdi is rebelling against.
97 posted on 10/08/2006 5:51:02 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Too annoyed right now for a tagline. Check back later.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Caramelgal
He’s not a Christian and he’s not about to lead his sheep into your Christian, Jesus Freak fold.

Who said anything about praying for their conversion (not that I wouldn't)? I thought we were praying for their freedom. You're quite a God hater aren't you?

98 posted on 10/08/2006 5:59:04 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: Caramelgal
I don’t thing caresistance is saying you can’t or shouldn’t pray on a personal level nor do, I but I think prayer threads don’t add anything to the conversation, a social-political news story and calling caresistance a “pretty bad Christian” or chastising him as a libertarian makes you all sound as much of a zealot as the folks Boroujerdi is rebelling against.

And seeing you and he go ape over a simple post requesting prayer for a volatile situation makes you both sound like as much of an intolerant liberal bigot as the folks over at DU.

99 posted on 10/08/2006 6:02:16 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: oldleft

Iran's regime isn't going anywhere for a long time - a few decades. Admenejhad has re-tooled levels of govt with young IRGC loyalists.


100 posted on 10/08/2006 6:04:58 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-123 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson