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Posted on 10/08/2006 10:56:58 AM PDT by oldleft
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If someone who isn't a Christian rejects my prayers, it is of no consequence. Because when I pray, I'm praying to God, the Father of Jesus... and HIS work in reaching anyone's soul, even that of an infidel, is POSSIBLE.
Time to hit them with request for visits to the prisoners by Red Cross (Crescent), Amnesty International, and all that crap we have to deal with to make sure these prisoners are not being mistreated.
Do you have some recent links? I've been out of touch.
So far Al Rueters is the only news outlet with a story about it.
Don't look for anything from cbsnbcabcmsnbccnn etc.
So I if I read this thread right, all Moslems are not really bad? Apparently there are some that FReepers find acceptable in the religion of hate.
How can that be?
In general, popular revolutions against authoritarian governments only work in civilized countries (Russia, East Germany). They tend to fail in uncivilized countries (like China) where the troops have no problem with firing on their own people.
One wonders on which side of this fence Iran falls. I suspect the latter.
Oh, I didn't realize that./s And? When it's time for the ticket to get punched, so be it. Would a relativist get their death any slower?
For a moment I thought you were equating prayer for others as zealotry at the same level as cutting off heads, IEDs and funding terror.
We could care less if they accept the prayers or what they think... that's not the point.
Since it offends you... let's talk worldly solutions, by all means. Obviously, I know nothing of Iranian clerics.
Then you should be right along side of those praying that the Muslims trying to reform and tamp down the nutcases succeed.
The MSM is downplaying this, rattling off the official mullah's party line, Amnesty International is ignoring Boroujerdi's pleas, and I don't think there's going to be any blue helmets heading that way anytime soon.
It will be unfortunate to find one of - if not the only remaining moderate spiritual leaders, along with hundreds of his followers slaughtered, but sometimes sacrifices in the face of evil is the only way to bring about change, and revelation.
I pray for the souls of those about to lose their lives, may some find Salvation in time....God's Will Be Done.
There is, in effect, no story and they have successfully stomped on it....
In a couple weeks they will not even remember who, much less the what, when or where.
Iran is now a totally closed society and there is little hope of a revolution remaining. I gave up that hope more than a year ago. I wish it were different, but it is not.
If we cannot penetrate it, and believe me when I say we have tried. Then it follows that we will eventually be required to take the government down from the air and special forces. Then, it may be possible for the people to revolt and regain control.
I expect this to happen in less than two years but not sooner.
The story supports something I've been thinking all along ... the support for the Mullahcracy is very shallow, and shored up only by armed force and terror. At some point, it will collapse.
The end of the Iran Nuke crisis (and probably also of organized Islamofascism) will come when normal Iranians finally have enough. I suspect it's not long, now.
may God protect him and give him strentgh during torture at the hands of his captors.
The United States should start bombing Iran's nuclear sites now, and keep bombing them until they are pulverized. At the same time, we should bomb their oil pipelines. This would castrate the current regime.
No, we shouldn't. There may come a time for that, but it's not quite yet. I think the Mullahs are on the verge of falling, and just need a shove. For a lot of reasons -- including with American politics -- it'd be lots cheaper and more effective if we concentrate right now on giving the shove.
While we're waiting for internal change, the current regime will develop a nuclear bomb with the ability to deliver it.
Iran is allied with the terrorist organizations, and with Syria, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.
The UN is a joke.
We should attack Iran right away.
I think he was arrested, despite a handful of his supporters attempted to prevent it. So I read on other stories.
Isn't this guy from the tiny reformist/leftist movement?
We should be packaging up the AK-47s and the RPGs captured from the insurgent Iraqis and returning them along with fresh ammo via air drop to out of the way places in Iran. The Iranians have more then enough people, they need weapons.
Amen. May God intervene on behalf of these brave souls.
There are, within Islam, factions which are perfectly fine. These include Sufi and Druze. The Muslims we're fighting don't accept these as true Islam, so when some one talks of Islam as the religion of hate they generally are talking of the mainsteam, not the civilized oddshoots.
Arresting opponent is nothing compared to what Bush/Rove have done in the US... /s
Thanks for the ping, Julie. Sad......
Oh no. He was Iran's biggest hope.
I hope the people rally to save him now. I was crossing my fingers they'd rise to the challenge yesterday.
This is bad. Hopefully this will be picked up. We need to start throwing this around the news.
And this means what?
The Night of the Long Knives continues...
Short answer, no.
An Ayatollah Under Siege in Tehran
Iran va Jahan ^ | October 04, 2006 | Nazenin Ansari
Posted on 10/07/2006 8:37:29 AM CDT by nuconvert
An Ayatollah Under Siege ... in Tehran
Ayatollah Sayyid Hossein Kazemeini Boroujerdi, born in Tehran and educated in Qom, is the author of numerous books and treatises on ethics, spirituality and the Qur'an. The ayatollah adheres to the official state religion in Iran, "twelver" Ja'fari Shi'a Islam. This form of Shi'ism is founded on the concept of the twelve imams who were the rightful spiritual and political leaders of Muslims following the death of the Prophet Mohammed. It is believed that the twelfth (or "hidden") imam, known as the Mahdi, lives in "occultation" but will one day return and resume the leadership of the faithful. Until that moment arrives, Bouroujerdi and fellow traditional Shi'a believe that political and religious authority should remain separated.
Kazemeini Boroujerdi, speaking under conditions of siege, maintains: "There is only one individual who has not erred and has no flaws. He is the lord of the age, the imam Mahdi. Only he has the legitimate competence to rule and pass judgment."
In other words, in the absence of the Mahdi, a theocracy such as the one ruling Iran today is illegitimate both ideologically and theologically, and as such all religious laws are null and void.
And, finally, it's pretty human to believe that despite an evil belief system (not exactly one chosen by the participants) there are, there must be, good people among the populace of all muslim countries. The fight is against islamism, and against a centuries old islamic hatred fostered by official state/religion institutions that we in the USA formally disavowed. If the individual is a threat - burn him or her. If the state is a threat - burn it. But in the latter instance innocent people will die in greater numbers than will bad guys - even among a muslim population.
Now, actually on topic:
I do not believe that the Iranian people are ready for a revolution against the Imams - so far they have come right up to small scale rebellion and always retreated. Since this particular Imam is a minority figure I expect to see lots of people arrested and imprisoned but not much in the way of a broadening resistance.
For whatever reason, Iranians simply do not appear to be ready to take the last step in order to change things themselves. (From what we've seen in Lebanon, that may be of no matter in the long run, the 'Cedar Revolution' achieved zilch)
Sorry to those who really want Persia to be Persia, and sorry for the innocent people who will get 'in the way' but I just don't see it.
As of 6:00pm it's still not making a big slash.
I want to take this opportunity, on this thread, to remind everyone that the average Iranian is VERY pro-Western, is very young, and absolutely HATES the theorcracy.
Iranians are good people. They have lunatics for leaders and "enforcers"............and my heart goes out to them. They are not Arabs; they are Persians and wonderful people.
God willing, they will soon be free of the yoke of extreme, militant Islam and will be allowed to flourish.
How can that be?
"Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody's power, that is not easy."
"Anyone who judges a man by the group is a peawit". The grizzled old Irish sergeant Kilrain says this in Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels.
Valin says, You start hating it's very easy to become that which you hate.
.....The fight is against islamism...
Not on Free republic. On this forum the fight is agains all Islam with no quarter.
The current thread is the first in memory where someone or something Islamic was given a reasonable hearing.
I'm in agreement. The 98% of those on this forum that bash Islam as a sport have no clue what they are hating.
An excellent distinction. Anyone familiar with the history of popular uprisings knows there is a strong contrast between the two situations. Popular uprisings succeed because the rulers have some genuine attachment to the concept of liberty and human dignity. Those uprisings that are successful succeed because they are able to exploit the internal contradictions of the rulers. In the case of the Saddams and Hitlers and Stalins of the world, they are utterly ruthless, and there is no leverage to turn them back with their own morality because they have no morality.
Islamic regimes subscribe to a certain "morality", but it is so plastic and easily manipulated that vicious rulers have no problem manipulating the religion and "morality" of Islam, because it's shot through with exceptions. From the beginning Mohammed stated one thing Here, then endorsing its logical opposite There because it gave momentary political advantage, which satisfies the only basic "moral law" of Islam: "Seize and hold political power by whatever means necessary for the glory of Allah."
No, he does not sound Sufi, nor does he look Sufi. His logic seems good, though.
Wow, does seeing a post mentioning prayer offend your libertarian sensibilities that much?
I've been called every name in the book for agreeing with the President, that this is not a war against Islam. And I'm forced to admit I've returned fire in kind.
(so much for the lockstep thinking of the right.)
Heavenly Father I humbly ask to to protect Ayatollah Mohammad Kazemeini Boroujerdi. To guard him and his followers from those who would come against him.
The 'Judas Goat' will not be harmed.
Those who publicly defended him have now been exposed.
The Mullocracy will now see to it that they dissappear quietly.
Who said anything about praying for their conversion (not that I wouldn't)? I thought we were praying for their freedom. You're quite a God hater aren't you?
And seeing you and he go ape over a simple post requesting prayer for a volatile situation makes you both sound like as much of an intolerant liberal bigot as the folks over at DU.
Iran's regime isn't going anywhere for a long time - a few decades. Admenejhad has re-tooled levels of govt with young IRGC loyalists.
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