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Five Years Later, Anthrax Questions Swirl Anew at FBI
Newhouse ^ | October 13, 2006 | Kevin Coughlin

Posted on 10/13/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: genefromjersey

Not a High School student.

Graduate college student from same place as the last meeting between Jose Padilla and KSM.


21 posted on 10/13/2006 8:09:29 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Shermy

Nobody has been arrested for the anthrax mailings of 2001.


22 posted on 10/13/2006 8:12:34 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (DeWine ranked as one of the ten worst border security politicians - Human Events)
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To: Shermy
"A clever high school student" could make such a preparation, according to Ronald Atlas, former president of the American Society for Microbiology and co-director of the Center for Health Hazards Preparedness at the University of Louisville.

So this is the new mantra. I seem to recall that we (the US government) were unable to aerolicize (sp?) anthrax, but maybe my memory is faulty. I also have several articles saved that Iraq WAS able to do what our own scientists couldn't do.

23 posted on 10/13/2006 8:20:12 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Shermy

When you add in the logic of "pure" into this entire search...then you start talking of a "expert"...not a teenage kid named Carl working in his home-made lab over the garage. If you look at all of these scientists....who work on government projects...all make in excess of $80k per year. Most will make more than $100k a year...so they can afford to build a lab in the back of their garage that would easily handle this kind of situation. Don't forget...there are college labs that are selling or dumping their old hardware all the time...so a smart guy could walk in and buy a $50k item for less than $6k...and just build onto his lab piece by piece. These guys are like mechanics...they know their profession and their tools.

Behind all of this PR work of the FBI...they have to know that this is a inside job...that their list of possible performers is down to probably 15 guys...and they just can't get much further. Whoever did it...was very smart...and covered every obvious trail. They will have to slip up...and a third party realize their connection (like a ex-wife) before this will happen. In fact...they probably already know that the guy is single...because a curious wife would have called the cops already.


24 posted on 10/13/2006 9:26:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Battle Axe

Looks like Hold,(D, NJ) is fed up with Gommint attempts to solve the puzzle.

Don't think the article mentions the Postal Inspectors either.

Interesting, huh?


25 posted on 10/13/2006 10:07:58 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: Battle Axe

Did you read post 17?


26 posted on 10/13/2006 10:16:48 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: Shermy
It's way off the beaten track but this has always bothered me given that Iraq was running some of its bioweapons research out of Sudan:

"He [bin Laden] was a busy person and had hundreds of people working for him," said one El Hage family member. "You didn't get to see him unless he invited you." El Hage's mother-in-law received letters from El Hage that contained seed samples from the Sudanese farms. El Hage frequently took international trips to Europe and elsewhere on business for bin Laden, family members say. -"A Portrait of Wadih El Hage, Accused Terrorist," by Oriana Zill, Frontline, PBS.org, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/upclose/elhage.html.(Oriana Zill was Associate Producer of FRONTLINE's "Hunting Bin Laden")

27 posted on 10/13/2006 10:38:10 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy
You'd think they would try to acquire the anthrax before going around looking for cocaine to stick it in...

OCTOBER 25, 2001 : (COLUMBIA : IRA TERRORISTS REPORTEDLY TRIED TO BUY COCAINE; PLANNED TO MIX ANTHRAX WITH COCAINE) <4?On October 25,2001, Univision’s Spanish T.V., "Primer Impacto' and in the late nightly international news, it was reported from Colombia that the IRA terrorists arrested this month in Colombia had their headquarters in Cuba and tried to buy 1,500 kilograms of cocaine in order to be mixed with anthrax for further distribution in the U.S. Although the Spanish TV channel interviewed the DEA agent who exposed the operation, the American media censored this important news that brings forward Castro’s involvement in bio-terrorism. - "CASTRO AND THE INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM, A CHRONOLOGY," by Eugene Pons with a foreword by Jaime Suchlicki , Institute for Cuban &Cuban-American Studies, Occasional Paper Series, September 2001

28 posted on 10/13/2006 10:48:30 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Battle Axe
Anthrax simply is not rare. In fact, it is nearly ubiquitous. Finding a single spore in the great outdoors is meaningless. Finding a dead cow out in a field with a gazillion spores is common.

Why fill the envelopes "overseas" when all that's going to happen is they will start leaking before they can be mailed. Remember, anthrax spores are so small they migrate right out through the spaces in the paper used in USPS envelopes and the attackers knew that as evidenced by the fact they placed wide mailing tape all around the envelopes.

These envelopes were mailed within hours of being filled.

29 posted on 10/14/2006 4:26:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Peach
Researchers/lab workers making $100 K usually live in areas where housing costs are high and zoning controls strict.

It's much more convenient to do the work down in the basement.

It's actually not "rocket science" ~ find a dead cow in Texas and it will most likely have exactly the same strain of anthrax used in the attack.

Bring home your sample.

The trick is to get the living bacterial mass/mat to "spore". I don't happen to know how that happens, but that's the only "secret". All the rest of the deal has to do with cleaning the debris out of the spores, and it's not like these things don't drift on the wind anyway.

30 posted on 10/14/2006 4:33:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Shermy; All
I see the thread has turned into a Bush bash. Let me inject a tad of reason and common sense, if that's allowed. {Fact: the FBI has not found the culprit. Not Fact: that the FBI doesn't want to find the culprit. Not fact: that President Bush ordered the FBI not to find the cuprit. Not fact: that President Bush doesn't care what the FBI does in this or any case.} Now those on here who claim this was very solvable, so are bashing the government with dark conspiracy theory and motive as a result...DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ABOUT EVERY FBI CASE THAT GOES UNSOLVED FOR YEARS?????? To be consistent, you must!!! I rest my case built on common sense and reason.
31 posted on 10/14/2006 4:52:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: muawiyah
Envelopes being mailed within hours of being filled is the most logical.

However, they could have been filled overseas and then put in a baggie and brought into the country in someone's suitcase.

You are assuming that they were mailed from overseas. I never said that.

By the way, I still think you have a very valid theory about Atta being involved.

It's the strain I want. Yes you can find anthrax everywhere there has been a sheep or a goat, but not that strain; not that special combination that was taken out of poor Bob Stevens. It's genotype 62 with a non-selective mutant of genotype 62 in a mixture.

That is why every diagnosed spider or insect bite that was cured in 2001 with antibiotics needs to be reexamined.
32 posted on 10/14/2006 5:03:26 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe

Clearly, Karl Rove was involved, and should be frog-marched out of the White House for immediate execution by the more progressive members of the media...


33 posted on 10/14/2006 5:03:56 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: TruthNtegrity
When I look at the whole picture I see something.

The planes were to go special places.

The envelopes were to go to OTHER special places.

Not a plane AND and envelope. And I agree with one poster who thinks Atta was involved, and that they could have been mailed prior to Atta's leaving Florida.

My logic tells me that they expected the envelopes to reach their destinations.
34 posted on 10/14/2006 5:11:30 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: genefromjersey
I hope your sarcasm meter was on.....
35 posted on 10/14/2006 5:13:21 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: pepsionice

Our country trains hundreds of thousands of foreign students and has for some time.

Please define "inside job".

One of us trying to warn people??? or one of them on the inside of one of our institutions?


36 posted on 10/14/2006 5:15:46 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: samadams2000
Ayaad Assaad - thanks for the warning.

sic.

37 posted on 10/14/2006 5:22:24 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Battle Axe
The Ames (Iowa) strain was taken from a cow that died in Texas.

There are lots of dead cows in Texas on any given day.

Misquoting X-Files, "The Strain Is Out There".

There's a large Pakistani community in SE Texas. They are there for the climate AND chemical industry. There are enough of them they support a decent goat/sheep slaughtering business (as they do here in the DC area). You becha' Paks know about anthrax.

No, I wasn't assuming the letters were mailed abroad ~ that's clearly not the case. However, once the envelopes were filled with anthrax, the anthrax spores would begin filtering through the paper. That started immediately, not later. Because the guys doing the attack knew that this was going to happen they TAPED the envelopes. This involved wrapping the envelope end to end, on both sides, with a piece of clear packaging tape ~ the wide stuff!

38 posted on 10/14/2006 5:34:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JasonC
Typical drive-by media piece -- quotes Ayaad Assaad as a neutral expert without mentioning his interest in the outcome. Take a look at who's supporting him.
39 posted on 10/14/2006 5:38:49 AM PDT by neuroconservative (http://yargb.blogspot.com)
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To: Battle Axe

Grand Central Station must have some areas where the wind or fan or HVAC system creates a good breeze. What would happen if this envelope were sprinkled in front of this breeze?


40 posted on 10/14/2006 7:05:36 AM PDT by winodog
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