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Private prison deals inked
Sacramento Bee ^ | 10/20/6 | Andy Furillo

Posted on 10/20/2006 4:39:28 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: bdfromlv
I have no problem with outsourcing, but to distant states?

That will be one potential reason for the lawsuit, hardships on families to visit.

21 posted on 10/20/2006 11:07:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Liberals would let Mark Foley be a Boy Scout leader.)
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To: Hawk1976

As a retired correctional worker I know that they (corporations) shouldnt be in the law business. They only give the minimum for warehousing the minor inmates and take money and incentive for change away from the states but that is why they can call them a business and for profit.


22 posted on 10/21/2006 6:44:45 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Michael.SF.

once the state gets control of your body they can put you anywhere with out considering family visits. when money is the issue.


23 posted on 10/21/2006 6:47:16 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; nopardons; Dog Gone

Public-Private Partnership? (It's too early to say the f-word).


24 posted on 10/21/2006 6:50:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Enterprise

your point being keeping the cons busy and tired is the goal of every prison and maybe they can build the border fence. or other work projects


25 posted on 10/21/2006 6:52:20 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: kinoxi
Best learn the ropes here first. Failing that, there's always Halliburton.
26 posted on 10/21/2006 6:54:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Evil corporations doing work for the government.

None of this would have happened if the Buildaburgers hadn't stuffed NAFTA down our throats.

And I'll bet these private prisons aren't union shops, either.

This is just the next step toward the North American Union.


27 posted on 10/21/2006 6:57:16 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CGTRWK

All of the statistics are deceptive. This is because most convictions are not made just for single offenses. Prosecutors learned years ago that they could turn the chances for conviction in their favor by filing what amounts to redundant charges. This is because juries, when offered a choice, are far more likely to choose from the list, rather than to go for the guilty and not guilty choice.

In turn, this skews the drug statistics terribly. Many people who are arrested for drugs do something during the arrest that is an easier conviction than the drug charge, such as trying to run away from the police. So even though they are purely a drug conviction, they are in prison for resisting arrest along with their drug conviction.

Importantly, such other convictions are often much easier because they have no objective evidence, only testimony.

In real terms, in the State of Arizona some years ago, a legal decision basically ordered the release of all small quantity drug possession cases in the State prisons, assuming they had no other conviction.

The State prison system released one man, declaring that no one else was eligible for release because of other offenses.


28 posted on 10/21/2006 7:45:55 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: bdfromlv

I think there might be less violence in prisons if they work these people from dawn to dusk 6 days a week, and yes, physically exhaust them on a daily basis. No more weight rooms, just work work work. And when it's time for lights out, they'll sleep instead of fight. (And of course I must add, people who are physically capable of working)


29 posted on 10/21/2006 8:03:45 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise; bdfromlv

I agree. Work and study. Learn a legitimate trade. No more hanging in the yard cooking up schemes in the California sunshine. No more getting buff in the weight rooms. Prison should be a distasteful experience yet offer the opportunity for genuine self improvement.


30 posted on 10/21/2006 10:44:00 AM PDT by MelonFarmerJ (Proudly voting Republican/conservative in every election since 1964)
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To: Dog Gone
It is not that they are able to do the work. Government work should not be for profit or given to the profiteers or the government shouldn't have been in the business or activity in the first place. Law Enforcement, Tax collecting, protecting the poor and security of the country. If these government functions are given to the corporations then greed, power and corruption problems will become the norm. The government is supposed to be above that and be working for us not on us. Business however should be able to monitor and correct problems as they arise in the huge government systems so as to be cost effective.
31 posted on 10/22/2006 10:42:03 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: bdfromlv
If these government functions are given to the corporations then greed, power and corruption problems will become the norm.

Because everyone knows the private sector is always more greedy, power hungry and corrupt than the public sector and competition has no tempering effect on it. Only the government, without competition, can be reliable, capable and responsible. You don't really believe that, do you?

The government is supposed to be above that and be working for us not on us.

It never seems to work out that way though. It's usually the government that's screwing us and private industry who's working hard to earn our business. You have it all backwards. Whenever the profit incentive is missing, the probability that people's wants and needs can be safely ignored is the greatest. If you took a poll asking people which services they are most satisfied with and which they are most dissatisfied with, for-profit corporations would be located at the top while non-profit organizations would dominate the bottom.

32 posted on 10/22/2006 2:40:57 PM PDT by Mase
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To: Mase
The difference in the 3/gpc is at the levels involved, the government has the top ripping us off and the bottom trying to work with what it is given. In business the motive for the top is profit and the subcontractors are the ones ripping off the bottom. The government contract makers are the ones that create the problems by not making the providers really accountable if they screw the govt.
33 posted on 10/22/2006 3:56:36 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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