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Tibetans shot at by Chinese reach India
Haveeru Daily ^ | Monday, October 23, 2006; 3:52 AM | Haveeru Daily

Posted on 10/23/2006 5:35:24 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick

KATHMANDU - Some 41 Tibetan refugees fired on by Chinese border guards last month as they entered Nepal have been flown to India, an official from the Tibetan Reception Centre in Kathmandu said Saturday.

"The 41 Tibetans refugees who arrived in Kathmandu left for New Delhi on Friday for security reasons," said an official at the Tibetan Reception Centre.

The official did not elaborate.

The Tibetans arrived in Kathmandu earlier this month after Chinese soldiers opened fire on a group of about 70 people, including children, women, monks and nuns, trying to flee into Nepal on September 30.

A nun was killed in the incident according to witnesses and foreign Tibetan groups.

The remaining Tibetans in the group of 70 were believed to have been detained by Chinese border guards. China confirmed the incident took place and said that the border troops were forced to act in self-defense after soldiers found the group trying to escape Tibet and were attacked.

Numerous foreign climbers witnessed the incident including a Romanian climber who filmed footage of a group of unarmed Tibetans being fired on as they tried to run away.

A monk who was part of the group told AFP that the Chinese border guards fired "indiscriminately" at the fleeing Tibetans.

Since 1989 Nepal's official policy has been that Tibetan refugees cannot stay in the country.

Sandwiched between regional giants India and China, Nepal pursues a cautious policy over the issue of people fleeing Chinese-controlled Tibet, directly to the north. The office of the representative of Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, was closed in Nepal's capital in 2005, but refugees continue to be transited through the Himalayan nation, often to the northern hill station of Dharamsala, where the Dalai Lama leads the Tibetan government-in-exile.

Tibetan refugees began arriving in Nepal in 1959 after the Dalai Lama fled Lhasa following an abortive uprising against Chinese rule. A year later Communist troops entered Tibet.

The Dalai Lama has in recent years urged greater autonomy from Beijing for his homeland.

Around 2,500 people a year make an often dangerous trip across the Himalayas into Nepal and India.

International rights groups accuse the Chinese of ruling Tibet through repression and military intimidation.


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To: familyop; MimirsWell

Good eye for detail. I noticed that YTs response to me contained far fewer grammatical errors and mispellings than his other posts. We got us a couple a fake chicoms maybe?


121 posted on 10/31/2006 8:26:45 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: Gengis Khan
It was occupied by China for brief moments in history which is the Chinese premise to cite Tibet as part of China.

I don't think even that much is true. I have read a few accounts of Tibetan history and I only find the opposite account. IE Tibet has subsumed and ruled vast tracts of China at various times. Research Songsten Gampo for an example of this.

122 posted on 10/31/2006 8:33:41 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: MimirsWell
We can't even be sure your regime will last.

It's not likely. As our President says "freedom isn't just American it's a universal principal." As a Buddhist I understand it to be an aspect of the true nature of mind. Sooner or later every tyranny falls and no amount of propaganda can prevent it.

123 posted on 10/31/2006 8:39:33 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: Yang Taiyi
Dear all, forget dalai lama, lets do business. Chinese are busying, busy for money.

Keep your blood-money, chicom. I buy American and from other free countries. Like India.

124 posted on 10/31/2006 8:44:14 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7
If he is in a position to use force, you bet he would.

You bet he would. And I would back him with money. The Khampas put up a good fight for many years. I have heard that they were still fighting as late as the '90s.

125 posted on 10/31/2006 8:46:54 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7
And why should India feel victimised when attacked by China in 1962? India tried to sponsor Tibet uprising and harboured the Dalai Lama in 1959. Surely India would have to expect some kinda reaction from China for this kind of in-your-face behaviour? Is it unfair for China to attack India when India tried to stir up shit in Tibet?

I'll tell you why. Because in the late fifties the "Roof Top of the World" was the best place for China to place ballistic missiles to threaten India with. And the best place to put electronic ears to surrveil the rest of the world. Apart from raping the vast forests and huge mineral deposits of Tibet China's number one reason for invading was to position itself against India.

126 posted on 10/31/2006 8:52:10 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7
Start by noticing how every Chinese family has an air-conditioner. Amazing even for Western standards.

Bwahahaahaaa! Forgive me for laughing. You are truly brainwashed. Every Mexican home can boast more than that.

127 posted on 10/31/2006 8:56:48 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7

You might want to tone the racist crap down a little bit, Chow Mein. Besides proving Mimir Wells point about how culturally backwards the Chinese are your ugly sub-human attitudes are not appreciated or well tolerated on Free Republic.


128 posted on 10/31/2006 9:03:52 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: TigersEye
"Good eye for detail. I noticed that YTs response to me contained far fewer grammatical errors and mispellings than his other posts. We got us a couple a fake chicoms maybe?"

Thanks. And yes, I saw the drastic switch behind the one username. There are possibly some Euros (one behind the other username) and/or Asian(s) with some strong English background (and one without)--maybe a bit of masked Oxford.
129 posted on 10/31/2006 10:22:51 PM PST by familyop (http://www.noachidechassid.com/news.php)
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To: mass7
"Anyway China can enslave India like the British did for a couple of hundred years."

...looks like wishful thinking after an Empire beaten back into its foggy corner. And an economic beating will follow for the business vestige of that Empire, after the way that American employees are treated by its Third-World-lime-sucking chairmen.
130 posted on 10/31/2006 10:44:51 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

Whoever they are and however they write one thing is sure; they're bootlicking commies. If brains were dynamite neither one could blow their own nose.


131 posted on 10/31/2006 11:07:29 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7; familyop; Gengis Khan; TigersEye

Listen pig-face, first, TigersEye is not Indian, he's American. And stop calling us your buddy, geez! I feel violated being called buddy by a chicom boot-licking amoeboid scrotal secretion that happens to be YOU. We are not in the same class you and us. Either you leave by yourself since you have nothing of any intellectual standing to add to the discussion or we can go on bashing your chicom brain. But frankly, I am getting bored of this. This thread is days old and we have turned a thread on the Chinese ill-treatment of Tibetans into a Chinese vs Indians fight. And you lost, so there. Bite the bullet and go home to your chopsuey.

We conservatives, we're moving on to newer threads now, you can whine all you want cos ur mama's mammaries dont lactate no more.


134 posted on 11/01/2006 1:24:37 AM PST by MimirsWell (Musharraf - In the line of (back)fire.)
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To: mass7; Admin Moderator

More racist chicoms for your zotting. And while we are at zotting you might want to look at Yang Taiyi's posts as well. Chicom alert.


136 posted on 11/01/2006 5:58:46 AM PST by MimirsWell (Musharraf - In the line of (back)fire.)
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To: mass7

Will that be before or after the Japanese bomb your Chinese asses back to submission? Just so that I know when to pray. It was Indian soldiers that fought to liberate much of South East Asia, while you Chinese were busy playing slaves to them Imperialist Japanese. What fun that must have been! A "great" country like china sucking Japanese off just to stay alive :)

As for the "liberation" of China its clear who saved you, the Americans. A bunch of weaklings who couldn't beat Japan want to enslave India. Bwahahahaha!


137 posted on 11/01/2006 6:36:03 AM PST by MimirsWell (Musharraf - In the line of (back)fire.)
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To: mass7
You are just a young punk and what's good debating with you? You Indians ...

I am an American and I am 51 years old. Telling lies is not debating. When you grow out of your diapers you may see that.

138 posted on 11/01/2006 2:34:18 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7
You guys are just a bunch of right wing conservative fascist creeps, who dare not see daylight. who gives a f*** about what you think?

Obviously you care a great deal or you wouldn't have come to this right-wing conservative website and spewed your propaganda. ROTFLOL

Your threats reveal you for the perverted lowlife that you are. Thanks for the additional evidence that commies are perverted losers.

139 posted on 11/01/2006 2:39:30 PM PST by TigersEye ("Everywhere I go there's a Predator in tow, life goes on without me!")
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To: mass7
1.Why are there still a few million Tibetans left after 60 years of "genocide"? Are the Chinese so stupid that they shoulder the bad name for "genocide" and yet they allow millions of Tibetans to live to complicate the matter?

Are you saying that the few million Tibetans that survive in Tibet is testimony to the fact that is no genocide going on in Tibet, and that a genocide never occurred? The last time I checked there were Jews in Germany and Russia, Tutsis in Rwanda, Christian black Africans in Darfur, Hindus in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan, Serbs in Bosnia, Zoroastrians in Iran and Kurds in Iraq. A few that happen to survive does not mean that a genocide never occurred. Sorry no takers here for your communist lies.

2.The Communists were not the first Chinese regime that ruled Tibet. Qing also ruled Tibet, so there are at least partial legal basis for China's "occupation".

As I said before. Tibet was occupied for brief periods in history by certain Chinese dynasties which happens to be China's premise for its current occupation of Tibet. And might I add, its a baseless premise.

3.Nehru never sucked up to China. Else he won't stir up shit in Tibet. Anybody who stir up shit over Tibet would be treated as China's arch enemy, does Nehru not understand this simple fact? How do you suck up somebody by screwing his mother? Let's not talk about who is on the justice side here, and I just don't understand the logic about Nehru feeling betrayed by China.

Anybody who stir up shit over Tibet would be treated as China's arch enemy,

Tibet is not Chinese territory. And it was China that "stirred up shit in" Tibet through occupation and brutal subjugation.

Let's not talk about who is on the justice side here...........

Why not? Are you afraid of the truth?

If Nehru "stir up shit in Tibet" as you claim then its a matter between India and Tibet. China has no locus standi on the issue. Nehru's fundamental mistake was he gave legitimacy to Chinese occupation of Tibet by recognizing Chinese suzerainty over Tibet. You seem to have a sore boil in your butt because he didn't accede to more Chinese demands and concede further territory.

4.Why should China allow India to define the McMahhon Line as the border line? The McMahhon Line is unilaterally imposed on Tibet by the imperilist British Empire. Why should China allow India to inherit all the spoils from the British bandits?

Because China has no Locus Standi in the region. Independent India inherits everything that British India legally accorded it (that excludes areas coming under the control of  Pakistan or princely states that chooses to remain independent). McMahhon Line comes under the charter signed between British India and Tibet (which was then an independent state that didn't require the consent of the Chinese). McMahhon Line was the border recognized by both Tibet and India. It maybe an "imposition" on a losing side by a winning side but it is still legal. Versailles treaty post WW1 was also an "imposition" on a losing side by a winning side but it was also legal. Same with WW2 and UN charter.

Three questions:

You are saying "Why should China allow India to define the McMahhon Line as the border line? The McMahhon Line is unilaterally imposed on Tibet by the imperilist British Empire."

My question : If you are saying "McMahhon Line was unilaterally imposed" by the British, what give Chinese communist bandits the right to move in and unilaterally change the border?

You are saying "Why should China allow India to inherit all the spoils from the British bandits?"

If you are saying that McMahhon Line was illegitimate because it was imposed by British (an "imperialist" foreign power), how does Chinese (a foreign Communist regime) occupation over Tibet becomes any more legitimate?

You are saying "Why should China allow India to inherit all the spoils from the British bandits?"

On that basis why should the Chinese be allowed to inherit everything among the spoils of a (a once brief moment in history) Qing dynasty rule over Tibet?

140 posted on 11/01/2006 2:42:11 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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